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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:10 PM
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"Music is art, not software"
This is an interview with Steven Wilson, the lead singer of the band Porcupine Tree. In case you dont know who Porcupine Tree is, they're an amazing progressive rock band from England, their latest album is "The Incident" which I highly recommend.

“I do believe there is an art to listening, but it’s being compromised,” he says. “The music media we have is very convenient, the iPod and the MP3, but the quality of experience is quite low. I remember listening to music on vinyl, poring over the sleeve, looking at the lyric sheet, even following the needle across the record. I realize that’s a rose-tinted view, but I do believe there was something in that magical, romantic, tactile relationship with the album. It’s been lost by the reduction of music to content. Music is not software, music is art.

Porcupine Tree’s steadily growing fan base argues that Wilson isn’t the only one who thinks so.

“It tells me I’m not alone,” he says. “Vinyl sales are rising not just because people my age are feeling nostalgic, but because kids are getting into it. One of the interesting things history tells us is that for every action there is an opposite reaction. And with the current trend toward convenience, there is a reaction against that. People are looking for something more organic and special from music. They come to our shows because they want something with more substance, a bit more epic, something less frivolous than downloading the latest Britney Spears single from MySpace. And it’s not just music, but a general social trend. With this incredible influx of technology, there is a sense of people looking for something more soulful from their lives, something more real. Kids are getting bored with the idea of computers and cellphones. And what do kids do best? They rebel. They rebel against the norm, and the norm is download culture.”

http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2010/04/porcupine-trees-steven-wilson-in-mp3-era-rock-fans-looking-for-music-with-soul.html


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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:14 PM
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1. I cannot wait to have an income
and a kick ass vinyl collection.

I really hope the album as we know it never dies. There is too much to be said for a real collection of songs instead of just a collection of singles.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:35 PM
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6. I agree. iTunes has all but killed the record store business.
Nothing beats a physical music collection with a kick-ass sound system.
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:20 PM
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11. And it is weird to me
because it is so rare to me that the single is my favorite song on the album. I'm not even all about the concept or prog rock thing and all about the 45 minute long song or anything. It is just that the deeper cuts might not speak to the largest audience but they speak to me far more.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:05 PM
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13. e-bay is a great place for albums
i "restored" my album collection that were worn out,lost,or stolen over the years. there`s several i want but can`t afford yet.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:08 PM
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14. cassette tapes are also cool with the hip kids today....
cassette tapes are making a come back and what`s nice is that good cassette player/recorders are dirt cheap. even the high end players or recorders are reasonable.

i think no one is dumb enough to bring back 8 track players.....
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:57 PM
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15. Yeah and of course there are always deals on Ebay
the only real issues is that those that are reissued are usually so much higher quality now. Comparing a new record to an old one it is amazing how heavy the new ones are seemingly much more durable.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:21 PM
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2. I don't think I'll go back to buying LP's but,
I love popping in a CD and really enjoying a full experience with quality sound rather than random mp3's with a crappy bit rate.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:23 PM
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3. It doesn't take a lot of effort to have a digital music collection with excellent sound quality
I, for one, am SO glad to be done with physical media when it comes to music.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:41 PM
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8. I still like the physical package.
There are arguments for digital media, and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. I have lots of MP3, and the ones I burn from CD's are high quality. I still like the idea of physical media, looking at the lyrics on the insert, the artwork, and having my collection an a shelf..
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:48 PM
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9. That's a totally legitimate view
I was just piping up against the notion that having a digital music collection consists of little more than random, low bit rate mp3's.

I have over a thousand full albums, 90% are of high quality, lossless format.

I'll admit my preference for digital has much to do with living in small spaces though.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:25 PM
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4. It's been that way for awhile
Downloaded files, magnetic tape, vinyl or plastic discs haven't changed this. 150 years ago, it was sheet music.

Quoth the Joni:

Remember the days when you used to sit
And make up your tunes for love
And pour your simple sorrow
To the soundhole and your knee
And now you're seen
On giant screens
And at parties for the press
And for people who have slices of you
From the company
They toss around your latest golden egg
Speculation-well, who's to know
If the next one in the nest
Will glitter for them so

I guess I seem ungrateful
With my teeth sunk in the hand
That brings me things
I really can't give up just yet
Now I sit up here
The critic!
And they introduce some band
But they seem so much confetti
Looking at them on my TV set
Oh the power and the glory
Just when you're getting a taste for worship
They start bringing out the hammers
And the boards
And the nails



The music industry is a vile innovation.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:28 PM
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5. Another aspect is the use of digital sound loops to create "music"
As background for TV shows and movies. While it is not yet used much for most movies, I have seen some documentaries where they are used.

I can remember when excellent original or top quality classical music was played by bands and orchestras to be used for soundtracks for everything from half hour TV shows to even cheap made for TV movies and not just for the top feature films. Now there are shows that although I would enjoy their content, I just can't stand the mindless noise that was stuck together by some tin earred computer wonder and called music.

The quality background music was a sneaky way to introduce children and other people to new kinds of music. I found many new composers and performers that way. We need to bring that back - and it will employ real musicians!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:37 PM
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7. Yeah that's another thing - good scores are hard to find anymore.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:18 PM
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10. Even the big blockbusters have dumbed down scores
The last movie soundtrack album I bought was Men in Black and I bought it solely for the intro title music. The last soundtrack album I really enjoyed though was the one for The man Who Went Up a Hill.. - and that was because I liked the Celtic nature of the music.

I guess I am getting old - music today is just not as good as it was when I was young. <snarf>
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:29 PM
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12. Judging from the responses in this thread...
...I'm going to assume most of you are not familiar with Vocaloids?

Vocaloids is, in a brief nutshell, the search to blend software and art in the formation of music. It's starting by mimicking, then will move more and more towards 'creation' by recognizing patterns that bring responses from audiences and piecing them together. It's tremendously huge in Japan. Wiki it if you're bored.

I should add, while Vocaloids are an amazing example of technology, I too feel that music is an art and that eventually, people will come to the realization that it isn't the perfection of sound that makes music, but the tiny flaws in it. Those flaws carry with it the emotion, the intensity, the...LIFE of music. I can always remember my dad telling me about Joe Cocker's voice at Woodstock, and what he seems to remember most was the way it cracked and warbled near the beginning (apparently from the coke, my dad says), but its that flaw that brings that 'look' to his eyes when he thinks back.
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