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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:06 AM
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Full-body scanners are waste of money, Israeli expert says
A leading Israeli airport security expert says the Canadian government has wasted millions of dollars to install "useless" imaging machines at airports across the country.

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

Sela, former chief security officer of the Israel Airport Authority and a 30-year veteran in airport security and defence technology, helped design the security at Ben Gurion.

He told MPs on the House of Commons transport committee via video conference from Kfar Vradim, Israel, that he wouldn't reveal how to get past the virtual strip-search scanners, but said he can provide briefings to officials with security clearance.
More at: http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Full+body+scanners+waste+money+Israeli+expert+says/2941610/story.html

Why am I not surprised?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:26 AM
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1. behind every unnatural business decision lies a money trail
forcing people to get their nads microwaved at the airport?

that ain't natural.

amortizing R&D on federally required security equipment, that IS natural.

Somebody's going to profit from scanners whether they work or not, and it will all add to ticket prices, taxes and airport fees making flying no safer but certainly more expensive.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:44 AM
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6. Yep
Money ALWAYS trumps real security. Hardware is more profitable than hiring competent people and training them well. And well trained, decently paid people pay taxes, so that helps some too. But the nations are corporate influenced now and money trumps....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:27 AM
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2. they give an illusion of safety. fuck constitutional rights. fuck personal rights
Edited on Mon May-03-10 09:29 AM by seabeyond
so some feel safe, that is what is more important. lying to ourselves lets us get thru the day, until it doesnt anymore
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:21 AM
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8. These are but small prices to be paid for the joys of living in a RW society
:P
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:36 AM
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9. wrong. there are a lot of people on du that embraces the loss of freedom for the illusion
of safety. i have democratic family that sneers at my refusal to play the "be safe" fantasy. unfortunately, it is not only the rw....
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seabeckind Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:28 AM
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3. Usual expert
Edited on Mon May-03-10 09:33 AM by seabeckind
and as usual he has no clue what the real purpose for these things are. He thinks it's to stop bombs. What a moron.

It's to make money and give the flying public a false sense of security while they are subjected to demeaning treatment.

Some people just don't get it. :sarcasm:

Far as I'm concerned it's just one more reason why I don't want to fly again. I'd rather sit on a train for 2 days than put up with this bullshit.

I can walk around, have decent meals with real silverware (well, maybe not real silver), and get totally plastered without having some attendant tell me I can't go pee. And I can do that plastering with a couple of bottles of liquid that I carried on.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:31 AM
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4. "one more reason why I don't want to fly again". yup.
i prefer to drive. i have had do much fun on two cross country drives with family.
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seabeckind Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:34 AM
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5. Try the train
You can enjoy the trip more if you get to interact with your family. It almost makes going across North Dakota bearable.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:29 PM
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15. I'm waiting for the Transatlantic train myself
Edited on Mon May-03-10 11:30 PM by GoneOffShore
Until then I'll continue to fly and continue to laugh at TSA - Thousands Standing Around.

The biggest change that has made flying safer is reinforced cockpit doors.

on edit:

And if you want a truly scary perspective on flying safety go to the disney parks fan site. Those folks WANT to be strip searched to be "safe".
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 09:54 AM
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7. What I've been saying.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:50 AM
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10. As a company consultant, Michael Chertoff profits from the sale of strip-search scanners.
Full-body scanners are waste of money, Israeli expert says, Vancouver Sun, April 23, 2010


A leading Israeli airport security expert says the Canadian government has wasted millions of dollars to install "useless" imaging machines at airports across the country.

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

.....







Group slams Chertoff on scanner promotion, January 2, 2010


WASHINGTON - Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff’s use of his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.
“Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,’’ said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

Chertoff’s advocacy for the technology dates to his time in the Bush administration. In 2005, Homeland Security ordered the government’s first batch of the scanners - five from California-based Rapiscan Systems. Rapiscan is one of only two companies that make full-body scanners in accordance with current contract specifications required by the federal government.

Currently 40 body scanners are in use among 19 US airports. The number is expected to skyrocket, at least in part because of the Christmas Day incident. The Transportation Security Administration has said it will order 300 more machines.
In the summer, TSA purchased 150 more machines from Rapiscan with $25 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. Rapiscan was the only company that qualified for the contract because it had developed technology that performs the screening using a less-graphic body imaging system, which is also less controversial. (Since then, another company, L-3 Communications, has qualified for future contracts, but no new contracts have been awarded.)






Chertoff has pushed for invasive strip-search scanning of airline passengers since 2005.



Grift. Corruption. Greed.





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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:46 AM
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11. The usual Republicans already collected tax dollars. Time to move on.
Can't even remember which one it was anymore.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:49 AM
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12. They're wrong
The owners of the machines are making a bag of money
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:50 AM
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13. money trail:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7420898&mesg_id=7451654


"own by their opponents as "digital strip search" machines, the full-body scanners use one of two technologies—millimeter wave sensors or backscatter x-rays—to see through clothing, producing ghostly images of naked passengers. Yet critics say that these, too, are highly fallible, and are incapable of revealing explosives hidden in body cavities—an age-old method for smuggling contraband. If that’s the case, a terrorist could hide the entire bomb works within his or her body, and breeze through the virtual strip search undetected. Yesterday, the London Independent reported on "authoritative claims that officials at the Department for Transport and the Home Office have already tested the scanners and were not persuaded that they would work comprehensively against terrorist threats to aviation." A British defense-research firm reportedly found the machines unreliable in detecting "low-density" materials like plastics, chemicals, and liquids—precisely what the underwear bomber had stuffed in his briefs.

Yet the rush toward full-body scans already seems unstoppable. They were mandated today as part of the "enhanced" screening for travelers from selected countries, and hundreds of the machines are already on order, at a cost of about $150,000 apiece. Within days of the bombing attempt, Reuters was reporting that the "greater U.S. government shift toward using the high-tech devices could create a boom for makers of security imaging products, and it has already created a speculative spike in share prices in some companies."

Which brings us to the money shot. The body scanner is sure to get a go-ahead because of the illustrious personages hawking them. Chief among them is former DHS secretary Michael Chertoff, who now heads the Chertoff Group, which represents one of the leading manufacturers of whole-body-imaging machines, Rapiscan Systems. For days after the attack, Chertoff made the rounds on the media promoting the scanners, calling the bombing attempt "a very vivid lesson in the value of that machinery"—all without disclosing his relationship to Rapiscan. According to the Washington Post:

Chertoff’s advocacy for the technology dates back to his time in the Bush administration. In 2005, Homeland Security ordered the government’s first batch of the scanners—five from California-based Rapiscan Systems.

Today, 40 body scanners are in use at 19 U.S. airports. The number is expected to skyrocket at least in part because of the Christmas Day incident. The Transportation Security Administration this week said it will order 300 more machines.

In the summer, TSA purchased 150 machines from Rapiscan with $25 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds.

The Washington Examiner last week ran down an entire list of all the former Washington politicians and staff members who are now part of what it calls the "full-body scanner lobby":

One manufacturer, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, is American Science & Engineering, Inc. AS&E has retained the K Street firm Wexler & Walker to lobby for "federal deployment of security technology by DHS and DOD." Individual lobbyists on this account include former TSA deputy administration Tom Blank, who also worked under House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Chad Wolf—former assistant administrator for policy at TSA, and a former aide to Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Tex., a top Senate appropriator and the ranking Republican on the transportation committee—is also lobbying on AS&E’s behalf......


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/airport-scanner-sca...

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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:20 PM
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14. Who wants to bet his method involves his rectum?
And that as a result of demonstrating it, mandatory random cavity searches (of hot-looking women).
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