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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:42 AM
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Owner of SUV found - More video of shirt-man to come
Edited on Mon May-03-10 11:42 AM by blogslut
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/nyregion/04bomb.html?hp


The police and F.B.I. investigators have tracked down the owner of the 1993 Nissan Pathfinder that contained the makings of a crude car bomb discovered in Times Square over the weekend, but that person is not considered a suspect, the police said on Monday.

“We’ve identified and spoken to the registered owner,” said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman, who stressed that the police had not yet identified a suspect or a motive. Nonetheless, the resolution of the vehicle’s provenance is a significant advancement in the 38-hour-old investigation.

Investigators continue to review surveillance footage from Saturday evening, when the car bomb was found, that showed a white man who appeared to be in his 40s walking away from the area as he looked over his shoulder and removed a layer of clothing. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. seemed optimistic in comments he made Monday morning. “I think that we have made really substantial progress, Mr. Holder told reporters in Washington. “We have some good leads."

<snip>

Detectives flew by helicopter to Pennsylvania to interview a tourist who shot video that they believe show the same man who changed his clothing leaving the area near the S.U.V. “We have seen the video and we’re looking to put that out,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if the video was important to the investigation, he said, “It depends on what other people see in that video. Not so much what we see.”
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:43 AM
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1. Well it looks like this one's not getting away.
Should be interesting.

Sorry for the morbidity.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:45 AM
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2. hmmmm...
Edited on Mon May-03-10 11:46 AM by greencharlie
is the top of his head bald or is he wearing a white yamaka?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:48 AM
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3. The word is yarmulke
What is your deal with a comment like that?
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:50 AM
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4. look at the video!
I'm just trying to ID his personal characteristics...

sensitive, perhaps?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:53 AM
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6. Oh, but of course
No agenda for you.

The man has the gait of a dancer. Shall we crack down on chorus lines as well?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:48 PM
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36. That's not a yarmulke...
That's a very small turban. OMG, it's an A-rab! :scared:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:55 AM
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8. Bald spot, like a friars patch.
Franciscan maybe? Don't know what they would have against banks.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:59 AM
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15. Fransciscans take a vow of poverty.
Something which wall street clearly is thumbing it's nose at.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:12 PM
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22. In all seriousness, it looks like male pattern baldness. Anyone
see otherwise!? At first it looked like he had on a baseball cap, anyone else think that?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:52 AM
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5. yarmulke being spelled wrong is a pet peeve of mine
Granted, its not pronounced as its spelled, but if you are going to use the word, look up the spelling!
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:58 AM
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11. well...
from the web:

Did you say Yamaka or Yarmulke?

Yamaka, Yarmulke, Kippah(or kippa) - every name ever used to designate Jewish Scull Cap goes back in history. Yamaka is actually rarely spelled that way, and ironically Yarmulke is often pronounced Yamaka. Why? We suspect that World Wide Web and search engines had a lot to do with that. You see, Yamaka also happens to be:

Sounding too similar to the name of the famous Japanese motorcycle. While Yamaha is certainly a great piece of the machinery, it is hardly a hot item for too many Yamaka wearing Jews.
Yamaka seems to be a pretty common Japanese name. Once again - wrong web traffic to Yamaka selling website
Yamaka also happens to be the name of one of the Buddist books. You get the picture

Origins of Yamaka - the word
Yiddish word Yamaka (Yarmulke) most likely comes from the Aramaic, yira malka, which means "awe of the King." The word Kippah in Hebrew actually means ?dome?. Kippah (or Kippot for plural) has become much more widely used to designate the skullcap worn by Jewish men.



In Germany, Beer is spelled BIER.

So why does Beck's in my store say BEER?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:01 PM
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17. I know I know
Funny is that most of us Hebrews call it a beanie
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:53 AM
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7. could be a tonsure.
never know when some franciscan friar is going to go nuts and try to blow the time square sodomite sinners to bejeebus.

:shrug:

it could happen!

:silly:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:56 AM
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10. OMG! I thought the same thing!
Anyone checking up on this!? We might have a new enemy to hate now.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:58 AM
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12. Man, you have had an agenda on this from post one about it
:grr:
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:59 AM
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14. no, I'm just not a media lemming. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:07 PM
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20. Yeah, right.
:eyes:
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:08 PM
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21. give it a few more days...
either I'll be right or I'll be wrong. I'm prepared to be wrong ;)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:13 PM
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23. It is male pattern baldness.
Which could make him just about any male, anywhere.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:15 PM
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24. Dude
You are aware that people of the Muslim faith don't wear yarmulkes, right?
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:23 PM
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27. of course... lol.
I just pointed it out as an ID characteristic thing...
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:23 PM
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26. Anything you sway, Mr. Agenda
:eyes:
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:26 PM
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29. agenda.
my agenda is a consistent message that this nation is involved in an eternal quagmire I refer to as Afghanistnam. The longer this nation is THERE, the more problems will come HERE, not to mention the hundreds of US lives lost over THERE along with hundreds of civilians.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:29 PM
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30. And Iraq?
Same feelings?
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:35 PM
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33. Iraq was classic clusterfuck.
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:36 PM by greencharlie
but we knew what we got with Iraq. Shrub's hidden agenda, faulty intelligence, shock n awe, welcomed with rose petals.... yeah that was 100% stupid. And I was ticked off about it for years.

But... SHRUB did it. And like it or not... as POTUS he had the "presidential power" to do it. We all KNOW it was wrong, immoral, possibly illegal, ill planned, ill executed, a waste of $$ and precipitated a recession.

Having said that, Obama now has the ability to get out of Afghanistnam. He has just as much "presidential power" to GTFO as Shrub had to get in.

There's nothing good to come out of it. Nothing. All you do is create a new generation of Omar's, bin Laden's and Zarqawi's...

EDIT: and as to Iraq today, it's not consuming US lives right now... they're coming home soon and the Iraqi gov't looks fairly stable. It's water under the bridge.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:50 PM
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37. I'm glad our troops are coming home, and can't wait for them to leave
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:50 PM by Rex
Afghanistan as well. I hate to say it, but I disagree with you - I think Iraq is going to turn into a partisan bloodbath as soon as we leave Iraq. I don't know about Afghanistan, it seems all we've done is embolden the druglords that have been there since forever.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 06:25 PM
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45. From where I sit, you definitely ahve an agenda
and it ain't what you just posted.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:56 AM
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9. To me, who ever it was sounds like a Timothy McVeigh wantabe . . .
Parallels between NY City attempted bombing and Timothy McVeigh’s bombing:

The botched NY bombing shares a number of striking parallels with the Timothy McVeigh bombing in Oklahoma City beside the obvious vehicle-building-walk-away narrative . . . although that, in itself, is very compelling–the botched bomber replicating the act of his (or her?) hero in broad strokes. But there seem to be a couple light strokes as well.

The botched bomber placed eight bags of fertilizer which the investigators say was non-explosive, into a gun box. If he knew the fertilizer was useless, it would be a clear homage to McVeigh. (The gun box being a tip of the hat to McVeigh's military background.) (If he didn't know this it could still be an homage, hoping to replicate his hero's methods as closely as possible.)

The NY attempted bomber locked the van's doors, leaving the keys inside. Some accounts say McVeigh left the keys in the Ryder's cab and locked the doors. (I think the case is that he took the keys, but there is no accounting where these people get their information. Source: http://history1900s.about.com/cs/crimedisaster/p/okcitybombing.htm)

Fireworks went off in the NY van alerting vendors. The attempted bomber appeared to be inept in a number of ways, so it is not likely that the clock set off the fireworks. It is more likely that he lit a long fuse. Similarly, McVeigh lit two fuses just before he left the Ryder.


Additionally, MSNBC played a show based on The McVeigh Tapes: Confessions of an American Terrorist on the 19th of April.

I could be way off, but if I was leading the investigation I'd be putting resources into this question, hoping to find him before he is successful with his homicidal intentions.


Therefore, in an investiation taking these matters seriously:

I’d look into far-right web/hate sites, those where McVeigh is discussed glowingly. Maybe Free Republic.

Since the person’s issues were important enough to kill for, I think his alignment to McVeigh would be apparent in his screen name (anagram of “Timothy McVeigh”? a character’s name in The Turner Diaries?)

I look very closely at those who passionately referenced MSNBC’s April 19th The McVeigh Tapes.

I’d perhaps put some resource looking into the extreme fringe of the Tea Party, but I think the far-right hate sites would be more fruitful . . . (In which case the FBI should soon be onto him . . . or her!)
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:59 AM
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13. Every vehicle is registered with a VIN number.
The VIN number is in several places, one being your engine.

I can't imagine how this fool didn't think he'd be traced and tracked down.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:00 PM
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16. they already found the owner... the SUV was reported stolen last week. nt
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:38 PM
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35. Have a link to that? CNN is reporting that the owner had not reported
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:39 PM by ScreamingMeemie
it missing. Just that the plates were stolen from a Ford.

snip-
But because neither the S.U.V. used in the attempt nor the license plate on it had been reported stolen,
-snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/nyregion/03security.html?src=mv
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:05 PM
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18. Why do I smell Teabagger?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:07 PM
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19. I think it's worse than a Tea Bagger, though there are some on the edge.
Sounds more like a Turner Diaries junkie, a McVeigh.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:20 PM
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25. maybe the bomber was foreclosed by BofA
Remember what that guy who divebombed the IRS wrote: Nothing changes until there's a body count.

I haven't seen any speculation about BofA being the target.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:25 PM
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28. Since we're throwing ideas around... CNN reported that the owner had not
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:41 PM by ScreamingMeemie
filed a police report on the missing vehicle, which leads me to believe it wasn't missing. I am going on parental instinct with my guess here. I am guessing the son/daughter of the owner (possibly an idiotic teenager) drives that car (hence the not filing a report or knowing it was missing). It's not too far fetched to see that son/daughter getting together with friends and doing something stupid like this. Given the immature nature of the bomb, the fireworks, nonflammable fertilizer, etc... My other thought is that, the parent is going to keep his mouth clamped shut until more information comes to light. IOW, he's not going to say,"Oh, that's my son/daughter's car." when the police come knocking on the door. My imagining is, at the end of this, we're going to see a delinquent group of children with too much time, and a stupid idea that this will make them famous.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:34 PM
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31. Stupid fame-whoring crossed my mind too
We'll have to see.

I'm just wanting the person(s) to be found and brought before a court. Only then will we know the true motive and how to go about finding ways to discourage more of this stuff.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:35 PM
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32. Yep. And I think the media has made a huge Richard Jewellian mistake
in using the words "furtive" and playing this video over and over again. I'm waiting to see what comes of it. It sounds like there will be roads back to those responsible.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:38 PM
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34. Good point. Or a friend who had borrowed it, maybe for an extended period.
Or could it have been at a garage for repairs and one of the servicemen's friends, etc.

This is a good angle.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:53 PM
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38. I raised sons, but I can't imagine even really stupid teens doing this
It's just way beyond a teen prank. A teen prank is blowing up a mailbox -- but potentially killing dozens of people? That's not a prank. That's sociopathic.

I'm wondering if it's a Ted Kazcynski sort of thing, where you're protecting a nutso relative who borrowed the car, but you're afraid to do it until you find out more.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:55 PM
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39. Unfortunately I can.
I've been the victim of a really stupid decision made by a teenager.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:40 PM
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40. um-my oldest did a really stupid thing once(albeit not a bomb)
he and friends positioned Christmas decorations in obscene positions(reindeer,snowmen}and videotaped the whole thing.Thank God there wasn't youtube yet.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 02:12 PM
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42. now THAT is a typical teenage boy prank. I would've laughed!
My son did some pretty hairy things, once involving an explosive. But the only people he ever got close to harming was himself.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:01 PM
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43. I guess I should have been clearer. I know, because I have been
the victim of a stupid decision made by a teenager.

And a life was lost because of it. Yes, I can see it turning out to be a prank. Sorry we disagree.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:53 PM
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41. He seems to be wearing work boots.
Doesn't appear to touch post (no fingerprints).

Seems relatively mobile, not crimped or stiff. Working man? Someone who exercises? Someone in his early 30s with early baldness?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:06 PM
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44. More on 'shirt-man':
1.) He seems rather collected, cool.

2.) He may have planned to change shirts (rather than it just being too warm) because he brought a bag so that he could put the shirt in.

3.) He seems to be wearing work books or heavy footwear.

4.) He seems agile, not stiff. Therefore, he may be in good shape, work out, be younger than supposed, or be a working man.

5.) He seems to know exactly what he is doing. He doesn't even touch the post (fingerprints).

6.) He seems in a moderate hurry (maybe NY pace) and not in an undue rush.

7.) He's male and, at least at this point, appears alone.

By the way, some reports have come out that say this man might be the same man on the tourist's video that depicted a man running north on Broadway shortly after the firecrackers went off in teh SUV.

Of course he may not have anything to do with it.
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