When The Right Starts Warning About Dominionism, Pay Attention

I'm sure many DUers have read about the Seven Mountains stuff, it's connections to The Family or The Fellowship, and to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8186025">Sarah Palin.

Now, even the 'extremely conservative Christian activists' are issuing warnings about this group.

From RightWingWatch:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/when-right-starts-warning-about-dominionism-pay-attention

I sincerely doubt God needs our help this time...

Ugh... I need to send this to my Fundy aunts and cousins... thanks for this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213

Sarah Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse
by dogemperor

Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:21:50 PM PDT

The big news, obviously, in the blogosphere today is John McCain's surprise pick for the Republican veep nominee--a relative unknown by the name of Sarah Palin, whom--at least in the more conventional political circles--would appear to be a complete cypher.

Unfortunately, if one digs just a bit deeper, Palin is found to have some very interesting--and very disturbing--connections...among them, being potentially the first Assemblies-linked VP candidate and having a number of links to dominionist groups targeting kids via "bait and switch" evangelism.

more at link>>

Thanks for sharing. I'm checking it out now.

Knows the movement from the inside.

-Hoot

God's Own Party http://godsownparty.com/blog/

my recs

http://www.Talk2Action.org - dogemperor used to cross post there & troughtfishing ( of http://troutfishing.dailykos.com/ ) continues to do so

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

http://www.religiondispatches.org/

The different religions worship god differently so then there are many gods. For me to know I need them to name their god, give him a face so we can all recognize him/her. If they can not put a name to their god then they are just using fear and hate to promote a stupid idea.

themselves.

I posted a very long post about this on a formerly moderate forum I have been on for years, but some church came on (Dominionist) and has destroyed the forum. Anyway, this lady was really praying for Obama's demise. I immediately jumped on her prayer and said if an entity is telling you to actively pray that way, that ain't god/dess, that is a demon.

I've been trying to find a post from years gone by that lists the difference of what a demon does/whispers to a person and what your Higher Self/Guardian Angel/whatever tells you and dang it! I cannot find it.

If something ethereal is "whispering" anything to your ear, be it an Angel or a Demon, then these are most likely different manifestations of a rather similar psychosis.

and are convinced beyond the possibility of reasoning with them that they must do what it tells them, we call them insane.

At least, we call them insane unless they call the voice "god". In that case, we applaud and honor them as people of "deep and abiding faith" :silly:

:)

But there's real evil afoot in America.

All Gods are ultimately a reflection of the beliefs and attitudes of the person who worships them. No one, as far as I know, worships beings they disagree with, so they change the beings to match their beliefs. The existence of such beings becomes irrelevant.

us, where as the christian teach transcendence - god is out/up there.

which they conveniently overlook. God is love, and love lives within us, we should love our neighbor as ourselves.

In Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus is asked by a lawyer “which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus says this…”You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’ “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

I don't know where the dominionist freakazoids get their info , but I suspect it is from this guy:

I'm sorry, but this character is not in the Bible... or the Koran.... or the Torah...

If he's so eternal.... then why does he have to be redefined every century or so?

And you can skip that "greatest" commandment and go right to the second and the world will be better for it.

Indeed


Because we made him/her up. So He/She is only in our minds.... our stone/bronze age minds.

life is much better when you follow none.

Frightening and we should pay attention JMO

I'll repeat the warning to other DU'ers who might listen: you need to set aside the way phrases like "preborn" and "defense of marriage" set your teeth on edge and go past that to what these people are talking about. They are obviously of a very different political philosophy than we are, but they are seriously concerned about this group of people who call themselves Christians and what they are doing, despite the fact that they consider themselves to be very conservative Christians.

Edited to add: There are also things like ads promoting creationism and "why evolution is wrong." Grit your teeth and endure.

Way back in my younger years when I was trying to 'find a place' I went to a few of their churches, just long enough to get a really good idea of what they were about. I also went as a snoop to see if what I thought they were about was true. I have spoken out about it to a number of people and usually get the 'Don't be daft' kind of thing. I have had members that looked like your kindly auntie show me an uzi in her purse for when the "soldiers of gawd take back dominion". I have had others rattle off a list of weapons and ammo they had stored back home or where ever they have it. I never pursued it farther than to make sure I avoid them in the future.
I never reported for fear of not being believed or retaliation.

Hell even after almost 30 yrs of occasionally saying things to my own mother she does not believe..and lately she frights me with the beckspew.

Too late.

the progressives who were warning about this 20 years ago and got shot down by good Democratic folks.

If it's the same bunch of fruitcakes who've shown up here, they are called to go into the world and claim shit as their own. They "annoint" buildings, especially Mainline churches, with oil.

They think that when the CRapture comes, these places will be sanctified and given to them.

But they've taken over the most beautiful real estate, wildflowers you can't believe, and it will soon probably become a golf course. There was an injunction but they won in court and are now free to develop.

Total weirdos. With lots of money....

:shrug:



http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/random-book-blogging-key-dominion-wealth

But there is a streak of fundage in Fundyville

whereupon he sent troops out to recover the stolen goods and punish the thieves. By a fluke or good timing, the pursuers were caught in unexpected floods, and the thieves escaped with their loot.

... when the Israelites left Egypt after being in slavery for four hundred years. While they were in the desert, they were rich.



Except of course there are no records of Israelites ever having been slaves in neurotically-record-keeping Egypt.... and absolutely no evidence of a great and wealthy Israeli state afterwards either.


A myth is still a myth and not good for use as an "example".

to "pray down the Sacred Feminine". I too was told not to worry about, nothings going to happen. Well, look at the whoring of young girls through clothing, make up, attitude, etc. I'd love to take a group to Europe and have us cast off those chains of the dominionists. They've got websites bragging about it.

I'll peruse it when I have more time.

Fortunately, most of these people are so delusional that they're incapable of acting rationally, execpt maybe in in their own immediate self interest. Sarah Palin honestly believed she and old what's-his-name were going to win the election, even as the vote tallies were co ming in. Unfortunately for her, there was no Jeb Bush or Ken Blackwell there to fix it fir her, and apparently God had other plans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/katherine-harris-was-in-s_b_140164.html

A recording of an October 3, 2006 conference call between Katherine Harris, then Florida U.S. Congressional Representative, and Florida evangelist Ken Malone , reported on in a November 4th, 2006 Tampa Tribune story because of remarks Harris made during the call which some took as anti-Jewish, indicates that Katherine Harris was then active in the same national Spiritual Warfare network which Sarah Palin has been associated with and may still be a member of.

Mounting evidence suggests John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin is deeply involved with a global religious movement bent on imposing theocracies around the world and whose top leader, C. Peter Wagner, has decreed to his followers it is God's will that a forcible, massive transfer of wealth, from the 'godless' to members of his movement, take place.


A recently released 36 page report (online / PDF / highlights) from an independent research team specializing Wagner's movement includes details on what appear to be virulently anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish statements from, and activities carried out by, top leaders of C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation.


Sarah Palin joined the Wasilla prayer group of C. Peter Wagner apostle Mary Glazier in 1989, Glazier told Wagner and his top New Apostolic Reformation leaders on July 13, 2008

K&R

I would just like to add what C. Peter Wagner has perpetrated and we now have two new organizations touting Prophets an Apostles Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE), and International Coalition of Apostles (ICA), . I know how these people think and they are setting up millions of people off the verse(you can make a whole religious movement out of one verse) "Do not touch my anointed". They have already stated their goal is to go after the latino and uneducated which are vulnerable to emotion style whackery. These people will be soooooo Teflon coated any attack on them will be met with swift support by millions of brainwashed emoting followers who will protect their anointed, you already see it when you even criticize a popular religious preacher or pastor on message boards and comments they take offense to any criticism.

Just to name two bat shit crazies

Lou Engle
Cindy Jacobs

how can they do it? by making shit up and then passing it off as "God told me"

I hope people get educated about this next movement , in fact it is on the move, Lou Engle is much sought after by the Right Wing.

How to defeat them

1.Education
2. actually know the Bible
3. Challenge these Prophets and Apostles on their whackery...what they say quote it back to them ..then de-construct it with the use of experts and your knowledge as well.

btw they are related to the semi-theocratic movement and full blown theocracy movement.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/05/04/gop-senator-brownbacks-roomate-lou-engle-supports-eliminationist-antigay-bill/

snippet:
Lou Engle belongs to a little known but rapidly emerging tendency within Pentecostalism and charismatic Christianity that by 2000 was estimated to encompass 295 million Christians worldwide. Perhaps the leading super-denomination within this emergent tendency is the “New Apostolic Reformation.”, which seeks to radically restructure the faith by placing believers in pyramidal authority structures under its apostles and prophets. NAR founder C. Peter Wagner has declared his movement is leading a second Reformation.


Keep Educated and educating!

"Beer exists because God loves us and wants us to be happy." That's my kind of god. :beer:

Too bad for them that NO ONE likes that beeotch! :evilgrin:

WE don't like her...The whack job conservaturds do.

How do you think the "half- governor" with so little intellect, got to make so much money in so short a time?

the rethugs love anyone who spouts their shit verbatim.

Look no further than Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. :puke:

but unfortunately, unless I am mistaken, they stopped updating their website sometime in '08. I even exchanged emails with Joan Bokaer just prior to the elections in '04, in a desperate attempt to determine how I could use her resources to connect with others in my community. It has been a wealth of information for me. They still have one of the best sites for detailing, chronologically, the rise of the Religious Right in the Repug party, imo.

:kick:

...they've http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXIwXPvPh2o&feature=player_embedded">infested our http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm">military. Particularly the http://www.jewsonfirst.org/dominionism.aspx">Air http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/12/94823/393">Force http://shoqvalue.com/the-dominionists-christian-fanatics-who-want-to-save-the-world-by-destroying-it">Academy.

- We need to pull them out by the ROOTS!!!

K&R

and yet they say they are for small government.

The only heed they deserve is the kind that calls them out for just how insane their cult is and their treasonous ideology.

sure must think there really special. To fully see how much of a narcissistic tendency it is to think that god talks to you, let me explain.

1. Most people can agree that there is a higher power which created everything we see.

2. If so that means he/she/it loves everything equally and has no sides, doesn't like one side more than the other, couldn't possibly because it created them all right. Have you ever created two paintings and hated the other one so much you smashed the painting with the other painting?

3. A higher power that could create everything and has some idea of the past present and future, and a plan for you that you cant fathom in one lifetime probably doesn't even listen to any of our cries as to it they are simply tiny specs of dust in the Universe irrelevant to any further progression of the universe. Example. Deer God please let the Rams beat the Chargers. The narcissism involved just in that sentence suggests that you would actually be stupid enough to think that god cares so much more about you and your football team, than say maybe a nuclear melt down between Iran and the U.S. World hunger. Larger shit going down way outside are solar system, who knows. But I can honestly say I don't think the all knowing omnipotent one really gives a fuck about politics, football games, personal outcomes for petty gains, and doesn't talk to Sara Palin or any one on earth for that matter.

A recovering alcoholic told it to me better than any philosopher on earth ever could. "We are like babies in a play pin crying while God is in the kitchen. He's not listening cause our cries are for petty stuff that wont matter in the long run. We are safe where we are at, he knows that."

in the Air Force. He's had a lot of experience with them, in the Air Force, of all places.

He's a 2nd or 3rd generation Air Force veteran and was given SUCH a hard time for being Jewish (He's received death threats and been met by some of his fellow fliers in Nazi uniforms!) that he started a group called "Military Religious Freedom Foundation". bekki.miller@militaryreligiousfreedom.org

These "dominionists", are extremely aggressive, he says...As he puts it "Forget the peace and love Jesus" -- They believe in violence to achieve their aims, if necessary.

THIS is why even the Religious Right dislikes, and possibly fears them.

Mike Weinstein IS, by the way, on Larry King tonite...Watch!..His revelations about these folks are both fascinating and terrifying!

The Air Force Academy is a hotbed of "Christian" insanity

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18334.htm

Those fuckers can't create or make anything perfect except ridiculous. We will recognize them. They'll have big Bibles hanging off their hats.

Those fuckers can't create or make anything perfect except ridiculous. We will recognize them. They'll have big Bibles hanging off their hats.

Thanks much.

Frightening and real!