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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:16 AM
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Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.

A Washington DC Appeals Court ruled in April 2009 that the Bush administration’s five-year plan for offshore oil and gas drilling (covering 2007 to 2012) was not based on a proper review of the environmental impact of the drilling. Only days before the ruling, the Obama administration had granted BP a “categorical exclusion,” exempting it from an environmental impact study for the Deepwater Horizon project.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry trade group, intervened to reverse the court order, and was backed by the administration.

Kierán Suckling, executive director and founder the Center for Biological Diversity, which was involved in the original lawsuit, told the World Socialist Web Site that Salazar “filed a special motion asking the court to lift the injunction, and he cited the BP drilling several times by name in the request.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/oilr-m10.shtml
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:25 AM
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1. Environmental review exemptions to BP EP's?
Edited on Mon May-10-10 01:29 AM by chill_wind
Hmmm. They wouldn't keep doing that kind of thing, even now, now after the gusher, would they?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4372633&mesg_id=4373314


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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:12 AM
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9. Salazar approved 27 more *after* Deepwater! & exempted Deepwater from the EIS in 4/2009
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:34 AM
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24. Yes, it's outlined at the link I gave. Including two to BP.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 02:47 AM by chill_wind
My "hmmm" was intended as a subtle thing. There was a lot of attempt to deconstruct that information as, you know- "nonsense!".
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:46 AM
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27. yes, it was from your link, just wanted to emphasize it
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:50 AM
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29. Oh. LOL.
I misunderstood. It sure can't hurt. Thank you.

:hi:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:32 AM
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2. If you have this from a reliable website, please do share.
Because WSWS.org is known for making shit up out of whole cloth.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:08 AM
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:09 AM
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8. msnbc? washington post?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:13 AM
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10. it's extremely reliable, and always corroborated
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:21 AM
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16. Don't Like the Message
attack the messenger

got something against socialism?

prefer predatory corporatism?

cuz that's the "news" you're getting from the wholly owned corporate Orwellian Television.

are they the ones that told you this website was making stuff up?

please cite what they made up

put the link right

here \/ \/ \/
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:32 AM
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22. gosh, i guess this is the rare time they didn't "make shit up". post 14.
not that i expect you to acknowledge it, since you/your pals post the same thing every time, & have never acknowledged the many times the facts proved *you* to be "making shit up out of whole cloth".
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:16 AM
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34. Center for Biological diversity, head quoted in the article
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?

1. The Bush administration. The oil-drilling lease was sold to BP by the George W. Bush administration in 2007 under its 2007-2012 Five-Year Offshore Oil Drilling Plan.

2. The Obama administration. The actual exploratory drilling was approved by the Obama administration on April 6, 2009.

Within days of the 2009 approval, the Center for Biological Diversity and its allies won a court order vacating the Bush Five-Year Offshore Drilling Plan. Rather than use the court order as a timeout on new offshore oil drilling to develop a new plan, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar filed a special motion with the court to exempt approved oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. He specifically identified BP’s operation as one that should be released from the vacature.

In July 2009, the court agreed to Salazar’s request, releasing all approved offshore oil drilling — including the BP operation — from the vacature.

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/public_lands/energy/dirty_energy_development/oil_and_gas/gulf_oil_spill/index.html
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cartach Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:11 AM
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39. Exactly
what I was thinking as soon as I started reading the original message. Sounds like some bullshit maybe thrown in there? Most of what I read or hear these days includes a lot of bullshit which only comes out a few days or weeks down the road.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:26 PM
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66. Actually they are not known for that at all.
But thanks for playing, I guess...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:10 PM
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74. Making shit up - Do you have that from a reliable website
Or do we have to trust you?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:39 PM
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75. wsws.org is quite reliable.

Please provide examples of wsws.org "making shit up" or retract your baseless accusation.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:46 AM
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3. I can't find anything on this April 2009 ruling except at this link.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 01:47 AM by LiberalAndProud
Can you find anything else Hannah Bell? You're better at the google than I am.

edit: grammar
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:07 AM
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6. here's the article:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:22 AM
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17. Thanks, I read about this. Salazar needs to go, and Obama needs to rethink.
I'm trying to find something about the DC Court of Appeals. No success yet.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:40 AM
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45. Sounds to me like he needs to rethink a bunch of stuff lately!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:28 PM
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67. I have the horrible suspicion that he is perfectly happy with his thoughts
and their conclusions. :(
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:15 PM
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89. Obama chose BP recently for a safety award
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:14 AM
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12. more 7/09
Edited on Mon May-10-10 02:16 AM by Hannah Bell
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is moving ahead with an oil lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico next month despite legal questions about whether the proposal and other offshore drilling plans initially drawn up under President George W. Bush went through a full environmental review.

The decision comes four months after the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington blocked lease sales in Alaska, saying the Bush administration didn't properly study the environmental consequences. The Alaska drilling was part of a five-year plan to expand drilling around the country, including in the Gulf. The court didn't say whether its ruling also applied to Gulf drilling, but many experts watching the case said they believed the decision could cover the entire program, not just the Alaska portion.

Interior spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said the agency has sought clarification from the courts. But after not getting further guidance, Secretary Ken Salazar decided to move ahead, Barkoff said.

http://blog.al.com/press-register-business/2009/07/interior_plans_offshore_drilli.html


U.S. court approves Gulf of Mexico oil drilling plan
By USE PAC Admin on July 30, 2009 1:01 PM | 0 Comments
Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:30pm EDT

By Tom Doggett
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a big win for oil companies, a federal appeals court said it will allow the U.S. Interior Department to move forward with oil and natural gas leasing plans for the Gulf of Mexico that were drawn up by the Bush administration.

The department in May sought clarification of a court decision that struck down the Bush administration's five-year (2007 to 2012) offshore oil and gas drilling plan based on the court's findings that a proper review had not been done on how the drilling would affect the environment.

The initial dispute focused on offshore drilling in Alaskan waters, but the department wanted to know whether leases in the Gulf of Mexico would also be affected.

In a ruling on Tuesday, the U.S. District Court in Washington said leasing plans for the Gulf could continue, as could drilling off Alaska, but the department would have to conduct a review of the environmental risks before approving significant energy development activities. If the department fails to carry out the risk analysis, the court said it may throw out the leasing plan.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was pleased with the court's decision and will go forward with a Gulf of Mexico lease sale planned for August 19.


http://blackoilblog.com/2009/07/us-court-approves-gulf-of-mexico-oil-drilling-plan.html
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:21 AM
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15. Bush's third term: not only
Bush who didn't conduct an environmental review; Obama didn't conduct one for this current Deepwater catastrophe;

of course Salazar was pleased, as he doesn't comply!
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:03 AM
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4. What matters if this is true is
Did the Obama administration tell BP they could drill without an automatic blowout preventer?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:17 AM
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13. They were exempt from environmental review.
I agree that Salazar is not the right man for the job.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 07:21 PM
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88. KO's interview here:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:05 AM
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5. here's Keith Olberman interviewing Kieran Suckling, calling for Salazar's resignation:
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:13 AM
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11. Every line officer Fed up to Salazar that let this go forward under a CE
(Categorical Exclusion) should be fired and investigated for pattern of behavior and sources of income.

I never liked the appointment of Salazar. He is a non-fundie James Watt.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:52 PM
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90. +1
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:19 AM
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:23 AM
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18. thanks. everytime i post one of these links, there are about 3 people
Edited on Mon May-10-10 02:25 AM by Hannah Bell
who pipe up to say that site just "makes stuff up".

they spin (who doesn't?), but i've never found they just "make stuff up". unlike fox news. or the cato institute.

or like a link to the new york times = "truth".

weapons of mass destruction, anyone?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:40 AM
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:28 AM
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20. Thanks for the link, and I beg your pardon.
I was looking back in the archives there. I am neither a whiner nor a denier, but I do like to source stuff I read on the web.

Also, were you aware that name calling is against the rules? Also not polite.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:55 AM
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30. That link was in the 4th paragraph of the article. Fully sourced.
Back to the whole site: http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/ as well as the specific comments cited above.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:58 AM
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31. I'll admit I didn't click the link, for reasons I won't go into here.
The thank you was genuine.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:12 AM
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33. The title of the organization quoted was in the OP. You could have just googled it.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:23 AM
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35. I did make it to the site, just not to the article.
But my curiosity has been satisfied. So all is well.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:36 AM
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36. except the mods deleted the post which satisfied it, which i guess means someone alerted on it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:06 AM
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:31 AM
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21. and Obama just lauded BP with a safety award
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:34 AM
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23. One of three finalists. Ironic isn't it?
(Bet they don't win now, huh?)
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:34 AM
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25. +1000 thanks, Obama, for your appointment of Salazar; it shows a real commitment to
the planet and to the future of all life on it. Nobody can ever say you didn't make a real effort to save the earth, or that you were corrupt and bought off and put your own selfish interests ahead of the environment and the source of all life and the idea that, working together, we could have created a genuinely sustainable society.*

:nuke: :cry:

*if this needs a sarcasm "smiley," the clue train left a long time ago and you missed it.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:08 AM
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53. no Smiley needed!!...+ tens of thousands of dead wildlife and marine life!! eom
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:48 AM
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28. +1 Seems the administration's got a little 'splainen to do...
and a mess to clean up that goes beyond the crude oil that's now fouling up the Gulf.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:26 AM
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19. "change we can believe in" fought against change? what else is new?
what would be totally, astoundingly shocking would be if Obama and his hand-picked status-quo planet-destroying yes-men actually did something different once in a while besides licking the ass of the mega-corps.

What BP and the rest of the owners of the earth want, they get.
All forms of life hurt by those actions (i.e., every living thing on the planet)--too bad, profit is king and everything must be destroyed for it.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:02 AM
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32. Thanks for the Info Hannah..look at Dashle/Whitman/ Panetta..strange bedfellows $$$$
ahhh the strange bedfellows.....remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

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You should also look at this and the Loop currents ..from Tampa news..!0 Connects ..Tampa Bay Fl..great map of Loop Current.

Oil Spill: Loop Current and winds

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=131136&provider=top

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Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf
Source: McClatchy

Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf


By Marisa Taylor | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Since the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig exploded April 20, the Obama administration has granted oil and gas companies at least 27 exemptions from doing in-depth environmental studies of oil exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico.

The waivers were granted despite President Barack Obama's vow that his administration would launch a "relentless response effort" to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the gulf. One of them was dated Friday — the day after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was temporarily halting offshore drilling.

The exemptions, known as "categorical exclusions," were granted by the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, or MMS, and included waiving detailed environmental studies for a British Petroleum exploration plan to be conducted at a depth of more than 4,000 feet and an Anadarko Petroleum Corp. exploration plan at more 9,000 feet.

"Is there a moratorium on offshore drilling or not?" asked Peter Galvin, the conservation director at the Center for Biological Diversity, the environmental group that discovered the administration's continued approval of the exemptions. "Possibly the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history has occurred, and nothing appears to have changed."


Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/07/93761/despite-spill-feds-still-giving.html

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and never forget this..we Floridans won't!!!


YouTube - Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling ( to Florida voters while asking for their votes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fkbEuCQss&NR=1

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Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don’t Cause Spills”

Obama Repeats Katrina Oil Spill Myth To Defend Offshore Drilling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4&feature=play ...


By: David Dayen Thursday April 29, 2010 1:42 pm

snip:

What a difference 18 days makes. Here was Barack Obama, on April 2, before the BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, claiming that oil rigs are safe to justify his position on offshore drilling:

I don’t agree with the notion that we shouldn’t do anything. It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.

Not only does this quote look ridiculous in hindsight, it wasn’t true at the time, as Brad Johnson points out:

Obama’s claim that oil rigs did not cause any spills during Hurricane Katrina is simply false, as the Wonk Room reported in June, 2008, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and other conservatives made the same false claim:

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs.

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater. The largest of these was 152,250 gallons, well over the 100,000 gallon threshhold considered a “major spill.”


http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/04/29/obama-oil-rigs-t ... ’t-cause-spills/
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:21 AM
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38. BP lobbyists pulling strings and paying bribes? who knew?
It's just business as usual with this administration. In fact, I don't think Obama could function without multigazillion-dollar lobbyists around to make policy. Where would we be now without the influence of lobbyists from the health insurance companies steering the "health care reform" "debate"? He appears to be simply the figurehead of the real controllers of the country. After a bandaid is applied in the Gulf and the sycophants have diverted the public with some irrelevant scandal or other, along with endless pontificating and breaking wind over trivial bullshit, drilling--destructive deep drilling and earthicide--will continue as before, and we can dream about what might have been as the planet dies and we scramble for food.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:17 AM
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37. I'm not going to say Obama is as bad as Bush
He is, however, as bad as President Clinton. We needed so much better.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:09 AM
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:35 PM
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68. I call them Obubya since they are merely different masks on the same entity. nt
:evilfrown:
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:08 AM
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40. Somebody needs to pay.....

industrialist, government officials and office holders, and pay and pay and pay. Jail Salazar, fine him into penury. Expropriate not just BP but all of the energy companies, the profit motive makes them de facto irresponsible. Life at hard labor(clean up) for the corporate perps, with a dead turtle strapped to their backs.

And none of that will do a damn bit of good, 'cept for a little satisfaction, if we still got capitalism, it is destroying us.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:47 AM
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41. world socialist website... bwhahahahaa
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:11 AM
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42. Content-free post... Bwahahaha n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:21 AM
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43. Reuters.. Wed Jul 29, 2009


U.S. court approves Gulf of Mexico oil drilling plan
Tom Doggett
WASHINGTON
Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:30pm EDT


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a big win for oil companies, a federal appeals court said it will allow the U.S. Interior Department to move forward with oil and natural gas leasing plans for the Gulf of Mexico that were drawn up by the Bush administration.

The department in May sought clarification of a court decision that struck down the Bush administration's five-year (2007 to 2012) offshore oil and gas drilling plan based on the court's findings that a proper review had not been done on how the drilling would affect the environment.

The initial dispute focused on offshore drilling in Alaskan waters, but the department wanted to know whether leases in the Gulf of Mexico would also be affected.

In a ruling on Tuesday, the U.S. District Court in Washington said leasing plans for the Gulf could continue, as could drilling off Alaska, but the department would have to conduct a review of the environmental risks before approving significant energy development activities.

If the department fails to carry out the risk analysis, the court said it may throw out the leasing plan.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was pleased with the court's decision and will go forward with a Gulf of Mexico lease sale planned for August 19.

"President Obama has made clear that a comprehensive energy plan that reduces America's dependence on foreign oil must include domestic production, and the Court's ruling allows us to move forward in a balanced way," Salazar said.

"The court made the right decision by allowing the continued production of oil and natural gas from Gulf of Mexico," said the American Petroleum Institute, which sued to allow drilling in the Gulf to continue. "The nation's energy security depends upon these resources."

more:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56S5TY20090729



That's the Appeals Court action Suckling is talking about in the article.




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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:42 AM
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46.  the Appeals Court action
thanks for posting
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:48 AM
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48. It is key to the facts.
Some just won't want to accept them.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:41 PM
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69. Use this: ..!..
or for emphasis ..!..
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:13 PM
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63. fucking crazy isn't it?!
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:35 AM
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44. How can anyone defend salazar.
The fucker doesn't care about shooting wolves why would he care about anything else environmental.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:01 AM
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50. Salazar didn't put him in that position..as Harry Truman said..the buck stops where??
Edited on Mon May-10-10 11:02 AM by flyarm
Salazar is exactly where the boss wanted him!!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:43 AM
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47. There you go!
Conservative politics in action disguised as Democratic.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:04 AM
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51. Amy Goodman interview with Kieran Suckling May 7. (transcript).
A lot of bobbing and weaving by Sec Gibbs. I have to wonder if Sec Salazar investigating himself and his own agenda is going to produce the best possible outcome.



AMY GOODMAN: Reporters questioned White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on Wednesday about why BP’s Gulf of Mexico drilling operation was exempted from the detailed environmental impact analysis last year.



REPORTER: …Why BP was exempted from the environmental impact analysis?

SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS: Yeah, well, I—the—there are a series of reviews that have to—that have to—you have to go through in order to get drilling permits. The process by which was referenced in that article is part of the review that Secretary Salazar is undergoing.

REPORTER: Robert, does the White House believe it was a mistake, for this categorical exemption to be granted to BP for Deepwater Horizon?

SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS: That’s part of the investigation. I don’t know the answer to that.

REPORTER: Ok, so that’s something that you’re looking into presently?

SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS: I would say as the President asked Secretary Salazar to undertake a thirty-day review of what happened, that that would certainly be part of the process under which he would evaluate.



AMY GOODMAN: Kieran Suckling, that was Robert Gibbs, White House press secretary. Respond to his response.

(see the rest: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/7/government_exempted_bp_from_environmental_review

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:14 AM
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55. Fox guard hen house..nothing new ..same old, same old..
while the Gulf is destroyed for centuries..and wildlife and marine life and our pristine beaches die a slow or fast death...but a miserable death nonetheless.

And just think of what our GREAT NATION has done to Iraq and Afgan enviornments that we can't see!! And they have made sure we can't see!

What a lovely nation we have..we destroy all that is good and replace it with shit!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:20 PM
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60. Salazar will be permitted to investigate himself? incredible! makes a mockery of the
process
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:10 PM
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62. I guess "investigating" means seeing how fast you can line up more drilling permits
Edited on Mon May-10-10 07:11 PM by chill_wind
with waivers to greenlight as soon as the "time out" and all the rethinkin is over. Time is money.

Amazing priorities, no?

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:37 PM
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73. incredible! this needs lots of publicity;
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:39 PM
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83. Sooner or later, Sec Salazar will be asked
by Congress to explain once again what is going on in the MMS. They will ask how his investigation went. They will shake some fingers for us on TV.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:53 AM
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86. wag fingers and that's the end of the "investigation" maybe
not if enough people find out?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:37 PM
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56. This says bad stuff about Obama and has no place on DU. nt
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:05 PM
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58. That the drilling occurred under a CE issued under NEPA
is so absurd that every line officer up to Salazar would be questioned and their personal finances and relationships investigated. Certainly there are GWB officials complicit and MMS/DOI insiders that are not stupid, hubris yes.

The CE that did not consider the environmental nor economic importance of the Gulf of Mexico on southern Gulf states of significance when using future edge technology? Not even an EA nor an EIS?

Someone here at DU must be knowledgeable and connected if not complicit to show the hierarchy of signing officials, Fed Register Implementing Regulations published in the Federal Register, tiered NEPA programmatic documents necessary for the Categorical Exclusion(s), appurtement agency data like Best Management Practices, standard contract boilerplate and boilerplate options, etc.
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Coco2 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:12 PM
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59. We all have to finally face the fact that the WH is also bought and paid for by OIL!
Drill offshore, forget safety, issue exceptions, don't adequately fund alternative energy projects...and on and on and on. Obama may have some scruples and values that are admirable, but none of them show through when it comes to the energy game...he is an honest politician, when bought he stays bought! Whoppee, Yay Dallas, Houston, Wall St!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:39 PM
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61. Seems a blanket statement, imho. Who's bought him ? And what's the scenario to support it?
Thanks.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:55 PM
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70. um, the OP doesn't suggest a scenario? the appointment of Salazar?
the laissez-faire lack of caring about the corrupt MMS? the attitude, not of suspending all drilling, but of simply "reconsidering" whether or not to drill--like, it "might be all right" after this is "taken care of"--that attitude? and what about these 27 exemptions SINCE the leak?

DC is crawling with lobbyists, and there has been plenty posted about all the perks and payola they're handing out, can't believe you've missed it.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:04 PM
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71. Our White House and our nation have been purchased.
It seems to me that the snake has two heads. We are addicted to the product -- goes without saying. We are also dependent on the revenues. If our deficit is already back-breaking, how do we replace Treasury revenues if we ban offshore drilling?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._federal_oil_and_gas_royalties

U.S. federal oil and gas royalties are payments made by firms to the federal government in exchange for the opportunity to explore for oil and gas on government-owned land or water. Traditionally, most of the funds generated by these royalties have gone directly into the general U.S. Treasury. Some of the funds have been directed to the Historical Preservation Trust Fund and the Land and Water Conservation Fund. During most of the twentieth century, oil and gas companies generally paid between 12.5 and 16.7 percent in royalties for a lease to drill on public land or water. Over time, these royalty payments generated over $100 billion in revenues.



I do not defend offshore drilling here. I want the practice ended yesterday. We must find a way to emancipate our planet from petroleum's murderous grip. But the US and the most of the rest of the world, are not yet ready to make the hard choices.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:17 PM
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64. geezus... how could they do such a stupid thing?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:05 AM
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87. Follow the money. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:23 PM
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65. And 27 since the rig blew!
Bad administration, bad!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:23 PM
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72. Including these two approved for BP on May 6.
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madchick44 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:43 PM
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76. No matter the source or validity of this claim
Obama should come out soon to say he made a mistake in supporting further off-shore drilling, either basede on faulty impac statements or just plain ignorance. Admit it and stop it! To keep making the same mistake is unforgivable.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:43 PM
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77. K&R. Mind-blowing.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:57 PM
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78. Weird how Obama embraces the most extreme rightwing ideals of deregulation.
His secret debt commission is also sponsored by a fascist billionaire's personal foundation devoted to destroying social security.

Destroying the Gulf of Mexico & Social Security... change you can believe in!
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:03 PM
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79. Oh, that's gonna leave a mark!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:32 PM
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80. Reuters covered the court appeal. WAPO covered the exemption story.


U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study
May 5

2010

The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.


The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.



the rest:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html

***********************************************************************

Here's the actual MMS BP EP document. pdf is 53 pages.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/initial_exploration_plan050410.pdf

WAPO links to it in the story.

***********************************************************************

MMS related policy for the interested/curious:

http://www.mms.gov/eppd/compliance/nepa/policy/ce/index.htm

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:38 PM
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81. Another instance of people hurling claims without all the facts. The
WH doesn't agree with the account.

UPDATE: Some adminsitration officials got in touch with me about this blog post, to note that the process of BP having received an exclusion under the National Environmental Policy Act "is more complicated than the Post story" made it seem.

"There are a lot of layers in the NEPA review process," one administration official said, pointing out that it's a five year process that began for BP in 2004.

In 2004 and 2007 most of the decisions were made regarding the federal government granting the "categorical exclusion."

Then, the official said, "somebody buried deep in MMS made a determination in 2009 that this particular well could qualify for what was already an established routine action."

Officials from the president's Council on Environmental Quality believe that these categorical exclusions may be granted too readily, so in February 2010 they informed agencies "that they need to review how we're issuing categorical exclusions. That guidance is currently out for comment."

link


This is no different from all the claims early in the Obama Presidency that he was supporting Bush's policies when in fact they were still being reviewed. It's utterly ridiculous to expect that the administration was going to come in and change the entire government in three months.



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ultracase24 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:46 PM
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84. Its been 16 months
How long should we wait for President Obama to discontinue Bush's policies?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:22 AM
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85. Did you miss the two brand new May 6 EP documents approved for BP
posted in this thread? Ones made ready for BP's next proposed adventures-- BP, the company responsible for the deaths of 11 of its rig workers, countless more injuries, and the ongoing man-made environmental and economic catastrophe of the GOM and no clue how to mitigate it?

How do you account for the thinking and quality of these ongoing decisions?
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ultracase24 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:39 PM
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82. This doesnt make sense
Edited on Mon May-10-10 11:40 PM by ultracase24
Why would the Obama administration back the API, which is about as pro-drill, anti environment as they come? The American Petroleum Institute is a far right pro-oil group that has worked against environmental protections, alternative energy, as well as lobbying for huge tax breaks and subsidies(corporate welfare) for oil companies. And Obama is backing them specifically on the Deepwater(Macondo prospect) oil field exemption?

Was Candidate Obama replaced by the Republican pod-people? Is he a trojan horse politician designed to continue conservative policies under the guise of being a Democratic President?

:eyes:
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