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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:16 AM
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Is Gulf oil rig disaster far worse than we're being told?
Edited on Mon May-10-10 10:04 AM by G_j
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_59780.shtml

Is Gulf oil rig disaster far worse than we're being told?
By Mike Adams
Natural News
Monday, May 10, 2010

Reports about the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill have been largely underestimated, according to commentators, including Paul Noel, a Software Engineer for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama. He believes that the pocket of oil that's been hit is so powerful and under so much pressure that it may be virtually impossible to contain it. And Noel is not the only person questioning the scope of this disaster.

A recent story from the Christian Science Monitor, reports that many independent scientists believe the leak is spewing far more than the 5,000 barrels, or 210,000 gallons, per day being reported by most media sources. They believe the leak could be discharging up to 25,000 barrels (more than one million gallons) of crude oil a day right now.

The riser pipe that was bent and crimped after the oil rig sank is restricting some of the flow from the tapped oil pocket, but as the leaking oil rushes into the well's riser, it is forcing sand with it at very high speeds and "sand blasting" the pipe (which is quickly eroding its structural integrity).

According to a leaked National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration memo obtained by an Alabama newspaper, , if the riser erodes any further and creates more leaks, up to 50,000 barrels, or 2.1 million gallons, per day of crude oil could begin flooding Gulf waters every day.

,,more..


article links to:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0501/C-mon-how-big-is-the-Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-spill-really

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/deepwater_horizon_secret_memo.html
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:17 AM
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1. we'll never know. it's out of the media's gaze, and there are no cameras to keep them honest
not that they ever were honest.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:19 AM
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3. We'll have to wait for alternative media coverage spanning time to gage it more accurately
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:55 AM
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12. Of course it's worse! The PROOF is in the media silence!!!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:16 AM
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25. Absolutely
Edited on Mon May-10-10 11:17 AM by marions ghost
This silence is speaking volumes. That's when you know to be really scared --when the US media goes silent on a story that ought to be full of heroism and last-minute saves and communities "pulling together" and positive scenarios--all the stuff they like to whip up and sell....

It's the silence before the storm IMO.

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:18 AM
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2. Natural News.
The WorldNetDaily of the woowoo Left.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:21 AM
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4. you have a problem
with the two sources/links they are referring two?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:57 AM
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13. Christian Science Monitor used to be one of my most used sources
Until they began linking to Freerepublic a few years ago.

After that I stopped reading their rag and using them for a source.

Don
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:14 AM
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17. I didn't know that
they linked to FR.

Of course, I have found that the NYT, WP etc. are also often propaganda outlets for the right.
What is one to do?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:30 AM
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20. Here is a DU link to when they began doing it
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:47 AM
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8. +1...
yet DU'ers love 'em.

Sid
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:53 AM
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11. the article specifically refers to two other sources
Would either of you care to comment? Or do you really think attacking the messenger will make them go away?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:24 AM
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19. also
would you care to demonstrate your evidence that Natural News is "The WorldNetDaily of the woowoo Left."?
Just curious..
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:29 AM
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5. One would have to be completely oblivious to history to think that the truth is being told
As sure as the Sun rising in the east, this "spill" is probably FAR greater in volume than is being revealed.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:31 AM
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6. Of course it is
Every single disaster that has happened for the past 10 years has been under estimated and unanticipated.

You can tell a real shitstorm from one that is created by the media silence on it.

Swine Flu, fake shit storm.

Greece economic collapse, real shit storm.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:47 AM
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7. You can tell a real shitstorm from one that is created by the media silence on it.
sad and infuriating, but true,
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:11 AM
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16. 'xactly
:applause:
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:49 AM
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9. We'll read about the truth in the history books nt
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:50 AM
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10. You can about bet your ass on that
None of our energy giants are credible, they all lie like there is no tomorrow.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:01 AM
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14. I am positive it is worse.
They will never tell the truth until it becomes obvious.
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BarbaRosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:05 AM
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15. The only things not under reported these days
would be Democrat scandals --real or imagined --.
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agent46 Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:16 AM
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18. For what it's worth
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:30 PM
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32. that's an excellent link
good interviews with marine scientists, geologists and a former Shell executive.

:thumbsup:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:30 AM
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21. The silence is deafening and silence kills.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:31 AM
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22. It usually is much worse, but they won't be able to hide it very easily.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:32 AM
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23. Is there a chance that things are BETTER than we've been told?
No. Ergo, there is probably a VERY GOOD chance it is worse than we're told.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:06 AM
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24. Cavitation is going to destroy the pipe, btw /nt
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:22 AM
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26. This is capitalism.

Greece is capitalism.

Imperialism is capitalism.

Kill it.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:30 AM
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27. If you were the head of BP and were responsible would YOU tell the press the worst?
What would be the benefit?

You would try to minimize the disaster and hope that you could get it under control before anyone found out the truth.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:52 AM
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28. BP is not known for telling the truth.
Dunno if this is a DU-trusted source, like The New York Times or TIME magazine or ABCNNBCBSFixedNoiseNutwork, but it does say what I haven't heard uttered by the rent-models of Corporate McPravda...

The Ugly Truth About BP and Its CEO

And they market themselves as green.
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The Old Creak Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:24 PM
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31. Honesty
certainly has not been their strong-suit. The link below recounts their role in Exxon Valdez

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/greg-palast/28588/the-gross-negligence-of-bp-oil-giants-trying-to-slick-its-way-out-of-controversy

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:02 PM
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33. The Best Policy
Thanks for the link. Palast is outstanding.

You might enjoy: The Black Wave - The Legacy of the Exxon Valdez. Saw it the other night on Planet Green cable TV. I'm still furious.

PS: A hearty welcome to DU, The Old Creak.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:14 PM
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35. gtreen for $$$
(& LOL @ the NYT)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:36 PM
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36. You ever see this?
Lies Of Our Times -- LOOT PDF Archive.

Each issue shames the gray lady of record.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:57 PM
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39. no I hadn't
I just checked out one issue, Awesome.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:02 PM
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29. And not much has been reported on the 11 who were killed.
As for the spewing oil, when it starts flowing around the Florida coast and gets carried along the eastern shores, maybe some of the truth will be revealed...or maybe not. Our form of government has never been known for its outright truthfulness to "we the people." Those "who need to know" will be told, the rest of us will be fed pabulum.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:10 PM
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30. I would say there is approximately a 92.878% chance of it being worse.
This is a watershed event, there is nothing else like it in human history.

Thanks for the thread, G_j.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:10 PM
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34. No. We're being told the real deal. 200,000 gallons per day, no solution in sight.
We just have trouble imagining a problem that human engineering can cause, but not solve.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:35 PM
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38. Thanks for your concern
We are undertaking a study and once we've run it through the 17 agencies that need to review the matter we will publish our findings. Next year sometime. Please, for your own benefit don't hold your breath.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:57 PM
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37. I think so. I think that explains why the chemical dispersant is the
preferred tactic. It makes it harder for the media to present the problem with an easy to understand picture. Oceans be damned, the image is of the utmost import.
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