Very disturbing video of the oil slick from the air....Sit down before you see it

Video is from Alabama resident John Wathen as a volunteer pilot flew him over the area where the oil rig sank. Officials have stopped guessing at the amount of oil leaking although some speculate it may be closer to 1 million gallons per day.

Don't let BP spin this into something trivial.

"It's not a leak, it's a volcano spewing oil"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=did-S6XbpMM

"Oh where, oh where can he be?"

This is an absolute disaster. Funny how Cheney is nowhere to be found.

we could put him, Sarah, and his goldenhaired bitch of a daughter to stand together.
Then we could wrap lots of duct tape around them, and use them as a plug for the oil leak.

(am I going to heaven for this good idea?)

That way, if he spills oil all over their deserts and wildlife, they'd have the guts to put him on trial and behead him. Hell, they might not even bother with a trial.

I was like "how interesting that the dick hasn't made the rounds on the talking heads shows or on cspan talking about how wrong Obama was in his response and how right they all are on drilling off the coast".

I think this should put the last nail in the coffin on drilling offshore. Unless they can guarantee that they will never, ever spill oil into the ocean and also they put up crippling collateral in exchange for doing it, they should never, ever be allowed to put another drill to the ocean floor.

BP has destroyed the Gulf of Mexico with the complicit help of the thug members of congress--be they dems too who hopped onboard in favor of drilling offshore. I think an effective campaign ad would be to use footage of the RNC convention of every congress-fvcker who made "drill, baby, drill" their pride-filled mantra and thank them for destroying both an environment, but also the economic life of those whose work is from the sea: the restaurants, the food stores, the resorts--many, many, many people are about to have their lives altered forever--at least for the rest of our lifetimes.

Now, I wonder, how socialist will this turn those fvckers who believe that government regulations are akin to socialism/communism.

:thumbsup:

"What's the problem?"

love it

He said for the first time in his career he felt "hopeless." So sad...

and hopeless.

I think it's gonna change the gulf for the rest of our lives. The word "disaster" doesn't even cover it.

could easily fly over that region of the ocean, and won't.

Where is he... the one who looks out of plane windows...when we really need him?
:rofl:




(Thanks to him Obama is too busy to do it himself. Look at our President as the fireman who attempts to put out the fires spawned by Bush et al the arsonists.)

I'd love for the decider to fly over the mess he's caused, but I'd like for the Orator to explain this decision right now.

And then, there is our near total dependence on gasoline-fueled transportation. No trains for us. That's for those "socialists" in Europe.

and suicidal policies???

This is happening because of the corruption of corporate money in our political

system -- unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --

And it couldn't have happened without the corruption of our elected officials --


The core of capitalism is exploitation -- of nature and humans -- animal-life --




"Americans are really smart about really stupid things."

That was a comment by a woman from the Bikini Islands where we had dropped nuclear

bombs to test them!

One has never looked at a history book and the other one will go down as the first black jack-off of the RNC.

Weeeeeeeee!

totally 1984

:shrug:

Everyone from that company with any knowledge about what was going on should have been put at the disposal and convenience of the government and/or military. This is a national security issue. BP's people should be answering questions and presenting a list of possible solutions to be implemented by others.

The government is the landlord. Your landlord is responsible for providing you with a safe, decent rental, not with washing your dishes or making your bed once you are in it.

Just maybe.

The Coast Guard was there from the beginning.

Also, if you remember, Obama stated when he went down there that BP had not fully disclosed the extent of the problem at the beginning.

Apparently, there have been other small oil leaks that were quickly stopped. This well was not yet fully in operation as I understand it. It wasn't producing yet. It was being closed up so that it could be used later. That's what I understand.

The Coast Guard may not have properly advised the administration also. I read that in exercises in the Gulf which are held every few years, there was a problem in the command structure somehow -- another legacy of the sloppy Bush administration that the Obama administration has not yet dealt with.

Fixing oil leaks is not the first priority that Obama had on his table -- and for good reason.
The last big leak like this was in the 1960s as I understand it. The source of the Exxon Valdez mess was entirely different.

Besides, if you set fire to your apartment, you have to try to put it out. If you can't you have to call the fire department, and if the apartment is damaged either your renters' insurance or you personally will have to pay -- unless the fire was your landlord's fault. Let's say the fire was due to faulty electrical wiring for which your landlord was responsible under the lease -- then the landlord pays.

Here, the U.S. government cannot possibly have been at fault. That is why Perry of Texas was trying to claim this was an Act of God. If it wasn't then one or more of the three companies that put up the rig, managed it and maintained it is or are responsible. The U.S. government has a duty to help out because that is the law. But then so does your local fire department if your apartment catches on fire. If you call the fire department and tell them you have a tiny fire in an ashtray but you are handling it, they will not send three trucks. If you tell them the truth -- that your whole place is going up in flames -- the fire department will come in full force.

Don't blame Obama for this one. This is totally the BP triumvirate's responsibility. One or more of those companies, probably all of them, is or are responsible.

I certainly do blame Obama

he appointed Salazar, long cozy with Big oil....and Obama had over a year to straighten out MSM

I am not usually a defender of Obama, but on this one, I think he did what he should have. I could change my mind if new evidence emerges. But I know a bit about what goes on in the industry, and this is not the president's fault.

kind, i fear

given bp's ghastly record, and quest for profits, they can't be trusted to do the right thing

one article suggested this spill could be stopped quickly but in a way that would preclude further oil extraction, which BP doesn't want.....

it may be the admin doesn't want to sully itself politically.....

Evidently they're invested in offshore drilling????

Haven't looked this up -- read that in some article.

every day here in France. They say it is a continuing disaster and have covered the story every step of the way.

:puke:

the tipping point has tipped

life is loss and change

survive it if you can

I wouldn't get pregnant now

don't change the recipe!

...trying desperately to find a bright side...

The righties have short-term memory lapses. They won't remember that bush saved the oil companies money by doing away with regulators--they will only remember Obama stating he supported offshore drilling.

they are too invested in bringing down Obama to see or understand that the ones they put all their store in have fvcked them all and they did it with the oil spewing out of the ocean as lube.

Now, I guess government intervention has now, suddenly, not become "socialism". Funny how that flip works when disaster strikes and livelihoods are at stake.

Thanks for the thread, Mira.

Smart sources say the oil is coming out at 5,000 PSI. The sand in the crude is wearing the hole bigger day-by-day.

I live right down the road from the Gulf. I'm ready to just say "fuck it", and walk away.

retire there in 2017.Now I'm wondering if that will be possible. My second choice was Melbourne, Fl area. Will the East coast be safe from this or other man made disasters?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008912109_exxonherring24m.html?utm_source=AllTodaysNewsRSS&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sightline%2FfHib+%28All+Today%27s+News+-+Sightline+Daily%29
Exxon Valdez oil-spill recovery still is work in progress, 20 years later


















www.catastrophemap.com/valdez.html

did it go to Supremes?

I remember the morning of the spill, watching hearing on C-span . . .

Ted Stevens coming in -- and then whomever was Pres or VP of Exxon at the time

beginning to testify. My sense of it was "We're untouchable, I'm untouchable" --

"We are organized crime."

IMO, oil industry and organized crime are one and the same.


Meanwhile, it is inane to even discuss possibilities of damage to nature and dollar

bills. Nature is ALL -- dollars are meaningless.

We have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill!!


Thank you for all the info you've collected and for showing us something of what

happened -- in 20 years, people forget.




"Americans are really smart about really stupid things" --

That was an observation by by a woman native from the Bikini Islands after we

had dropped nuclear bombs on her homeland -- to test them!

:)

:(

this is utterly horrific.

Big thanks to John Wathen for getting that video.

But a major catastrophe gets next to nothing. Come on, MSM, you're making me nervous.

be the largest Texas Tea* Party in history and maybe they'd show up.



*Texas Tea = Oil

next thing you know, SCOTUS will agree to restrict this kind of speech on the internet in favor of corporations and their profits.

I have wondered why they haven't commissioned every tanker in the world to come in and suck up this oil. Seems to me that with pumps and hoses, they could prevent the slick from completely taking over all the oceans in the world.

The guys with the solutions are talking about who is responsible for this, when and how, and how we can change regs, the rest declare it's a sign of the end of times and they've seen it talked about in revelations.

:cry: I hate you Mr. President for allowing this to happen!

I live in a coastal community. I'm about 3 miles from the Gulf.

That's why I moved here. On Saturday night, the wife and I went up to a non-tourist bar, right on the Gulf. The temperature was perfect. We had a magnificent breeze. The music was great, and they had $2.00 margaritas. In another week, the place will smell like a fucking refinery.

Great ole song BTW.

:toast:

..best of the day to ya

harder to see -- to photograph!!

I would think we'd want to know where it is to keep an eye on it??!!

were using chemical dispersant.

BP is saying they will pay for it all and are appearing cooperative only because they do not want to lose the lease, they don't want to be told to shut it down no matter what it takes, to seal off the pipes and go away.

The US government should have made them seal the leaks right away, this is a crime against the earth and against mankind to allow this to have gone on this long.

they can take over whatever they need to get the job done but they

have to shut this thing down!!

How can you possibly hold hearing while this thing is still booming out oil??!!

Capitalism is a crime against the earth -- core of capitalism is exploitation of

nature --

And end to "Man's Dominion Over Nature" --

Capitalism is a suicidal notion --

Where it the outrage, where it the action? I see none. Whoever is advising him on this needs to be fired on the spot. Of course, how can he know and not come out with pronouncements like no more offshore drilling permits and other leases end in one year's time - period the end. The Orator is totally missing in action on this.

sigh . . .

Can't wait until we get to the nuclear stuff!!

before I had to stop to wipe my eyes. I think about how open ended the losses are gonna be and I can't breathe.

Capitalism is based on exploitation of nature --

it's a suicidal concept which must be ended.




"Americans are really smart about really stupid things."

That was the observation of a woman from the Bikini Islands after we had nuked

her homeland in testing nuclear weapons!

Capitalism is about exploitation of nature -- "Manifest Destiny" and

"Man's Dominion Over Nature" - licenses issued by organized patriarchal religion to

exploit nature for the benefit of the few.

Let's wake up from this violent war on nature --


This is suicidal exploitation of nature -

something I've sensed since I was a kid about 6 years old :cry:

It's only a matter of time before the psychopaths achieve hegemony and they twist even the most unambiguous criticism against them, while praising the authors to the heavens for precepts, which, far from being a central part of their teaching, they, in fact, vehemently opposed.

Adam Smith is a prime example: "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."

Take good note of the term, 'the masters of mankind'. Ponder it in general terms; but also ponder it in specific terms. Who are currently the masters of mankind? Who call the shots? Who does Obama have to defer to?

Smith goes right to the heart of the problem: regulate THEM, because they are anarchists who will impose their 'freedoms' on mankind.

In his essay on comparative religion, The Perennial Philosophy, Aldous Huxley addresses man's hubris and the eventual nemesis visited upon him, ascribing some blame to the injunctions in the Judaeo-Christian scriptures for man to assume dominion over creation. However, it is Man's fallen nature which leads him to abuse that power, and part of his quasi divine dignity to exercise such dominion in a humble, respectful, responsible and loving manner.

And I don't know how many will notice, but that certainly isn't the "Adam Smith" which

was so distorted by PBS in their presentations a while back.

It took a lot of corporate influence over our "free press" to so distort the entire

economic message to encourage an overturning of the New Deal protections and our

the eventual coming of corporate fascism.

:)

and not the constitution or We the People.

this is capitalism, plain and simple. It will always pursue profits at the expense of all else and necessarily views all regulation as impinging upon it's 'legitimate' profits. The religion merely mirrors the mindset of the ruling class. It was no accident that Calvinism arose at the birth of Capitalism, it filled a need.

and we survived and thrived --

Unregulated capitalism which we have been living with is merely organized crime.

I say, let's move on --

This is patriarchy's economic system -- based similarly on its own war on nature as an

enemy --

Organized patriarchal religion is the underpinning for patriarchy --

You can't self-proclaim yourself superior -- you need a "god" to do it for you!


The Vatican invented capitalism when Feudalism became insufficient to run its Papal

States.

Capitalism has only been with us a few hundred years --

It's intended to move the wealth and resources of nations from the many to the few

and it does that quite successfully!

Ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill" system --







The religion merely mirrors the mindset of the ruling class. It was no accident that Calvinism arose at the birth of Capitalism, it filled a need.

a hurricane will pick up the oil (with the water) and once it has come ashore, spread it as far inland as the midwest. All of the easter half of the US stands the potential to have a smelly, oily sheen dumped on it... this stands to affect farming, livestock, health, road safety.

I'll bet no one has thought of that, certainly no one from BP.

she was pointing out all the assurances that had been given when they were

seeking permission for these wells -- "nothing was ever going to happen" --

and even if it did there were built in safeguards . . . one after the other --

Well, one after the other didn't work. None of them worked.

And here we are --



"Americans are really smart about really stupid things."

That was the observation of a woman from the Bikini Islands after we had nuked

her homeland in testing nuclear weapons!

these things are fail safe. Nothing is fail safe... like the Titanic was unsinkable!

Shame on them all. Shame on every Dem Senator who would not stand with the Congressional Black Caucus against THEFT 2000 which allowed the unleashing of the Bush-Cheney cabal and the furthering of deregulation begun during Reagan.

Our Dem Senators went along then; they went along with Afghanistan and Iraq (which our Dem President continues). They back-pedal at every turn.

I feel hopeless not only about the Gulf, but about this entire nation because it doesn't seem to matter who's in charge; both sides of the aisle do the corporations' bidding.

What fools these mortals be.

Shame on them all. Shame on every Dem Senator who would not stand with the Congressional Black Caucus against THEFT 2000 which allowed the unleashing of the Bush-Cheney cabal and the furthering of deregulation begun during Reagan.

Our Dem Senators went along then; they went along with Afghanistan and Iraq (which our Dem President continues). They back-pedal at every turn.

I feel hopeless not only about the Gulf, but about this entire nation because it doesn't seem to matter who's in charge; both sides of the aisle do the corporations' bidding.

What fools these mortals be.


What a gift we had in this planet and nature --
The idea that anyone could make restitution or repay damage to nature is inane.
We have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill.

As the native American pointed out to us long ago -- you can't plant it, you
can't eat it, you can't drink it. It will never replace a sunset or a rainbow.

Nature is ALL --



:)

I don't know what to say.

I can't process what I have seen.

I hope those who have been attacking people for spreading "hyperbole", "Fear", and "exaggeration", and "for being giddy, and happy about this disaster" will find a way put aside such notions and realize we are all in this together.

We MUST stop fighting each other.

We MUST start standing together.

Or the people responsible for this are going to destroy us all.

This foolishness has got to stop.

and now I'm the hell crying again.

What possible justification is there for maintaining this secrecy? What are they hiding?

This is a question for our M$M. Why all the secrecy? If there is nothing to hide, no malfeasance, why the secrecy?

Every media outlet in this nation should be bombarded with this question. Do your part today.

On it's own capitalism is based on exploitation of nature --

a suicidal concept --



We've been being warned for 60 years re Global Warming and the chemical

soups we are making -- and the response from the elites who run the show

has been to surge forward with more exploittion, more destruction!


"Americans are really smart about really stupid things."

That was the observation of a woman from the Bikini Islands after we had nuked

her homeland in testing nuclear weapons!

bad. If this 5,000 sq. mile field empties enough, the dome of the earth's crust over it will collapse under the weight of the ocean. As Billy Bob Thornton said, "Basically the worst parts of the Bible."

can you elaborate a little? any idea?
part of me doesn't really want to know, but otoh I'm scientifically curious.

50 ft. Tsunami in Houston. Bad stuff.

They will fall down...

Remember Alice Walker also writing something on that --

the planet -- like an orange squeezed --

Patriarchy's war on nature is carried thru in its organized patriarchal religion, which

is its underpinning -- and its economic system -- Capitalism -- which is based on

exploitation and destruction of nature.

All are suicidal concepts -- !!


Patriarchy -- "the bird with one wing" --

:puke:

Shame on the media for not showing us this.

can someone please post a pic capture?

For us "inmates" at workplaces w/o youtube access?

immensity of the catastrophe.

Every single resource at his disposal into this problem. He cannot rely on the idiots that caused it to fix it. Its way past time that the Federal Government take full control and solve this crisis now.

He's also busy "rethinking" whether he "might reconsider" allowing drilling offshore.

what fucking ever. whatever is most profitable for the oil companies, that is what he will do.

as a teaching moment and a moment to crystalize America's commitment to getting off of oil. Fix the spill, halt all drilling, Invest whatever it takes to get America off the oil addiction that we are on. Start here, Start Now... Get it done or get gone and lets get someone in there that will.

one" (basically just assigning blame) and have done nothing effective since then. EVERY resource EVERYWHERE should be employed to stop this NOW!

I was so disappointed watching the hearings the other day --

they were looking for "lessons" while so many were still talking about not turning

away from the drilling that is necessary -- "we must have oil" -- !!

You wouldn't have thought that this thing was still booming out oil like a volcano --

you wouldn't have thought anyone could envision the danger to oceans/wild life --

and finally humans!

Capitalism is based on destruction of nature -- pounding down resources -- creating

damage -- we've been living with this economic insanity far too long.

Oh - hell? -- here it is!!

:)

IMO, Obama has to take this over --- he can command any assistance the government

needs -- obviously BP and Halliburton can't -- nor do they seem to know what they

are doing!

That's the thing -- no individual can be responsible for destruction to nature --

yet that's what capitalism is based on . . . exploitation and pounding down of

natural resources.

There's no dollar in the world that can repair or repay for any of this -- and that's

the lesson that has to be learned here if we still have time to learn lessons!!


We have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill --

Money is not nature -- nature is ALL.

There is NO solution...methane hydrates...oil escaping at millions of gallons a day, from 5,000 ft down...scary...an ecological disaster for which we cannot even begin to image the consequences...wb

and it gets worse by the minute... they are going to pollute the who ocean if they dont get this fixed

My heart is breaking...................

But I will add again -- we need to overturn capitalism --

it's based on exploitation of nature --

there is no dollar bill which can replace nature --

you can't eat it - you can't drink it -- you can't plant it --

it's meaningless paper --

And, we have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill!!

I think the nation is still in SHOCK at all of this --

The destruction of nature and beauty seems the main target of capitalism --

it's a suicidal concept.

we are fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tiny little boats (from his vantage point), circling around in an oil slick that went to the horizon.

Why couldn't this oil have been picked up? I still don't understand that!!

There was enough visible to be able to move it into boats -- suctioning it up --

filling boats and moving them to central areas to unload it and back again????

Even if they had the whole US Navy fleet out there, it would take YEARS to skim that oil off.

Like I said, those few boats were picking up a miniscule amount of oil compared to the huge slick, which extended to the horizon.

It's like using a series of Q-tips to mop up several hundred barrels of spilled oil.

If oil is lighter, it would float to the top and separate from ocean water --

If it's heavier it would sink to bottom and separate from ocean water --

The dispersants, IMO, are going to negatively complicate that ability to separate/?

Yes -- I have no clue what the boats were doing or why they were even there?

Somehow, they managed along a great length of NJ coastline and more to suction up sand

from offshore and feed it back onto shore from huge funnels -- this has been going on

for a decade or more in beach recovery programs -- hugely costly and insane, but none

the less still going on.

You can certainly suction oil out of a car's gas tank --

Something like this should have been begun long ago -- 23 days later now!

Tankers could have come out, picked this stuff up and unloaded it at some central point/

refinery/??

Outrageous that the only thought that has been given to deal with the stuff pouring out

is to BURN it or throw questionable chemicals on it to disperse it, creating more damage!!

All of this makes very clear how unprepared and irresponsible people involved in this really

are --

Can't wait til we start the new nuclear stuff!!

Not heavy crude. I know they have big ones at refineries and power plants.

But it sounds like what you'd like to do would require a big, purpose-built tanker with a huge separation capacity.

Huge ships were involved -- as explained to me worked like a spatula picking up sand

from ocean bottom probably 50 feet - maybe 150 feet -- from beach.

As it was picked up -- and obviously, they would have been picking up water, as well,

it was funneled back onto the beach. Exactly how it was done I don't know. Whether two

boats were working together, or whether they had separate roles.

However, it was WET SAND which came back onto the beach. Possibly they didn't try to

separate the water from the sand. In fact, as I think about it, probably the case.

But a huge project -- hugely expensive.

Obviously there are a lot of tankers around and they hold a lot of oil --

It's probably grasping at straws, but I'm been wondering why something like this wasn't

tried.

Sigh --

23 days and counting!!

Picking up dirt and sand is easy.

But to do that with an oil slick would require a really massive filtering capability, thousands of gallons an hour, to really make a difference. I don't know if Oily Water Separators that large even exist.

That might be pretty much what I'm talking about --

but huge tankers which are used to cart oil around -- and lots of lines to suck

up the oil -- by the time they reached a refinery, the oil would probably separate

from the water --

Well, I still think Obama has to take this over --

Thanks for the info!

:)

:argh:

:cry:

:thumbsup:

Conservative Utopia in the Gulf...

This is what a conservative world would look like if they were allowed to strip every regulation and eliminate every law that protects human beings from inept, greedy and corrupt corporations. I wonder if conservatives are all going to chip in to help the millions of people who will be affected or have their livelihoods destroyed because of complete corporate irresponsibility? Of course not. They will continue to mindlessly chant "Drill baby drill".

The US has 3% of the world's oil supply, but we use 25%, but somehow in a conservative's brain they believe 3 is higher than 25. It would be funny if the results of their blind faith & allegiance to corporations didn't destroy people and the environment.

That leak is at 5000 ft. Experience from prior bottom spills shows that a significant proportion of the crude petroleum, probably MOST of it, does not reach the surface quickly, or ever. Instead, it stabilizes in an emulsion at depth in a plume that's distributed by water currents. THAT oil is probably far more dangerous to sea life than the oil on the surface. There's probably many times more of it than the oil visible on the surface. That surface slick is something like 2000 square miles now-- if that's just a fraction of what's spreading at depth, then large portions of the Gulf and possibly the Atlantic will die.

KO, Rachel, Ed, or Tweety. Better yet, some Congressional committe member at a hearing should give his time over and run it. It should be part of the Senate or House record.

and you can be damned sure that anyone who watches Faux news will be astonished.

The Gulf if bleeding.

I take issue with the photographer's statement that the government needs to take responsibility for this. The government didn't make this mess: BP made this mess and needs to be held accountable.

It makes me sick. Just sick. This is damage that won't be undone in a generation--maybe never.

Not a corporate emergency. Not that of a few states or even the gulf. Not even a national emergency. Every available navy, should be involved in containment efforts. Every available engineer, including the worlds largest weapons manufacturer, GE, should be trying to figure out a mechanical solution. Every scientist, including those in Switzerland looking for black holes, need to get involved. Drop whatever they are doing if it's not an urgent priority. If it's not more urgent than this, which it likely is not. No holds barred, no expense spared (BP and Haliburton will ultimately pay for any and all expenses for those involved, but lets get this solved first). I know BP did it, I know the coast guard is the government hand in the clean-up, and they are 'working on it' but it is not enough. Everyone who has a voice needs to cry out for the need for the entire world to work together.

Let the UN, if it's actually good for anything, be the central planner for this effort. Even at the low estimate of 200,000 gallons a day, if that were true. Even just one day adds immeasurable damage to the world's future in fishing and marine life. I don't know exactly how all of the above will figure out how to stop this, and clean it up in a non-toxic way. I only know if they all work together, they can. If they wait until the oil is washing onto Europe's shores (it's just a matter of time) should it be as bad as they say it could be (a million gallons a day) and it does take the 3 months for BP to stop this, it will be too late. Rather than get mad at corporate corner-cutting that allows these disasters, in an under-enforced, under-regulated market, this has to be the focus of our demands. Economic crisis or not, the world can't afford NOT to get involved. RIGHT NOW!

:-(

:cry::cry::cry:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37116587/ns/politics-more_politics

"Even after the recent — and highly publicized — oil spill in the Gulf Coast, that’s the overwhelming sentiment from the public, with six in 10 Americans supporting more offshore drilling, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll".

Maybe the 60% of American's who think this is worth it don't understand the magnitude of this disaster.

And I can't help thinking that it would have been a better idea to pay more attention to the coalition of nations we blew off at Copenhagen who were all suffering more immediate effects of climate disruption than we are. Pride goeth before a fall.

The two just don't mix very well.

and the page and I can't. All I remember was Gulf of Mexico - pink. And I thouhgt - algae.

It's been a long time since I've swam in the gulf off the Fla. panhandle. Now, years from now, no thanks.

jail the CEO's, all of them, from every company, regardless. We'll let the tribunals sort them out within a few years, no harm, no foul, you're free to go. Next pull the "charter" on every corporation in the US and bar all international, multinational or foreign corporations from doing business in the US, unless they turnover their CEO to the tribunals. Next make the owner of every business wholly and personally responsible for any and all activities of that business.........it's a START.


My odds of winning the Mega Millions Jackpot are much better........even if I don't buy a ticket.

you know, to protect the safety of the clean up effort.

I think I'm going to be sick.Greed and stupidity lead to this catastrophe.But hey,it won't happen again isn't it ? So let's drill some more ! :grr: