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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:56 AM
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Voters Shifting to GOP, Poll Finds... The stupidity of Americans never ceases to amaze me
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704247904575240812672173820.html

"Republicans have solidified support among voters who had drifted from the party in recent elections, putting the GOP in position for a strong comeback in November's mid-term campaign, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll."

"The findings suggest that public opinion has hardened in advance of the 2010 elections, making it tougher for Democrats to translate their legislative successes, or a tentatively improving U.S. economy, into gains among voters.
Republicans have reassembled their coalition by reconnecting with independents, seniors, blue-collar voters, suburban women and small town and rural voters—all of whom had moved away from the party in the 2006 elections, in which Republicans lost control of the House. Those voter groups now favor GOP control of Congress."

Full Poll Results:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsjnbcpoll-05122010.pdf

"A big shift is evident among independents, who at this point in the 2006 campaign favored Democratic control of Congress rather than Republican control, 40% to 24%. In this poll, independents favored the GOP, 38% to 30%.

Suburban women favored Democratic control four years ago by a 24-point margin. In the latest survey, they narrowly favored Republicans winning the House. A similar turnaround was seen among voters 65 and older.

"This is the inverse of where we were four years ago, and in a way that projects to substantial Democratic losses in November," Mr. McInturff said.

The new survey gives incumbents of either party little reason for comfort. Only about one in five respondents approved of the job Congress is doing.

People in the survey felt overwhelmingly negative toward both political parties."

"Nearly one-third of respondents said they "almost never" trust the government in Washington to do what is right—about triple the number who felt that way when the question was asked in October.

Those feelings were evident in the past week, with the ouster of longtime incumbents from each party. After 18 years in office, Sen. Robert Bennett (R, Utah) was rejected for re-nomination at Saturday's Utah GOP convention.

On Tuesday, Rep. Alan Mollohan (D, W.Va.) lost his primary election by a surprisingly large 56% to 44% margin. He had served 14 terms in the House.

"It is a tough year for incumbents, no doubt about that," said Sen. Arlen Specter (D, Pa.).

Mr. Specter didn't express great confidence that he would prevail Tuesday in his own primary contest, in which polls show him neck-and-neck with Democratic U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak.

"I don't make predictions; I run for re-election," Mr. Specter said. "I've been in a lot of tough races, and I'm slugging it out."

While the survey results foreshadow a strong showing for Republicans, they also show that voters were far more motivated by their frustration with Democrats and government in general than by an affinity for the GOP."

"Just 30% in the survey said they felt positively about the Republican Party—a smaller share than for the Democratic Party and the tea party movement.

Of those who want to see Republicans control the House, less than one-third said that was because they support the GOP and its candidates.

Rather, nearly two-thirds said they were motivated by opposition to Mr. Obama and Democratic policies.

"Republicans ran us under financially, and the Democrats are worse," said poll respondent William Lina, 80, of Alden, N.Y., who is a registered Democrat but plans to vote a straight Republican ticket in November.

He cited frustration with the Democrats' health-care overhaul and the economic stimulus program.

Joe Carter, a 53-year-old Republican from Kingsport, Tenn., who has voted for Democrats in the past, said he, too, would likely vote a straight Republican ticket.

"Both parties do things I disagree with," Mr. Carter said. "But just to stop what's going on now, I will vote Republican."

Overall, the survey found that voters were split over which party they preferred to control Congress after November, with 44% favoring each party.

But that finding masked the overwhelming Republican advantage among the voters most likely to cast ballots on Election Day.

The voters who said they were most interested in the November elections favor Republican control of Congress by a 20-point margin, with 56% backing the GOP and 36% backing Democrats—the highest gap all year on that question.

Mr. Obama's approval rating in the survey has remained stable, with 50% approving of his job performance, compared with 48% in March.

In the wake of the attempted Times Square terrorist attack, a plurality of respondents approve of his handling of terrorism.

But, despite White House predictions that passage of Mr. Obama's health-care bill would boost Democrats in November, the issue still appeared to be more of a drag on the president's party.

Some 44% called the health plan a bad idea, compared to 38% who saw it as a good idea.

The poll also showed sharp divisions among voters on the subject of illegal immigration.

Among all adults, support is high for the new Arizona law that makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally and requires law enforcement officers to question people if they have reasonable suspicions about their immigration status.

Some 64% said they strongly or somewhat supported the law, compared with 34% who strongly or somewhat opposed it."

"Divisions were even sharper between whites and Hispanics. Among Hispanic respondents, 70% opposed the law, while 69% of whites in the survey supported it.

The survey oversampled Hispanics to increase accuracy.

Hispanics also held a different view of immigration generally than did white respondents.

In the survey, 58% of Hispanics said that immigration helped the U.S. more than it hurt, while 56% of white respondents said that immigration hurt more than it helped.

The survey found that, at the moment, Hispanics greatly favored Democrats over Republicans, particularly among Hispanics under age 40.

That stands as a danger sign for the GOP given the rapid growth of that voter bloc.

But Hispanics were far less interested in this year's elections than key Republican-leaning groups, meaning that the benefits of this trend might not accrue to the Democrats until at least the 2012 elections."





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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:57 AM
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1. Qualification. Poll in Wall Street Journal. WSJ owned by Murdock.
Murdock doesn't like dems.

Grain of salt with that poll, thank you.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:00 AM
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4. I wouldn't just brush this poll off that excuse. Other polls report similar results /nt
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:59 AM
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2. And they will be aided by
those erstwhile "progressives" who would rather hand any promise of forward movement over to the regressive factions of this nation than work together. I'm sorry, but I've just hit my boiling point with the the hollering and unwillingness to sit down and hammer things out. Are y'all missing * and Cheney?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:59 AM
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3. Horseshit
I wouldn't trust the WSJ for "poll numbers," unless America is now suffering from "battered voter syndrome."
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:03 AM
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10. Bloomberg also reported similar results. There is a definite racist shift in this country
It isn't just Arizona, and I wouldn't brush this poll aside so quickly

If Democrats lose the independents, they are in trouble


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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:01 AM
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5. Change is always stressful.
Even change for the better. That and people are understandably impatient.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:04 AM
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11. You are right, and the economic situation makes it very difficult for people to see that /nt
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:01 AM
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6. I say BS also.
The M$M has been pushing this bag of shit all morning.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:08 AM
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15. There are a lot of trends that are quite disturbing. The Arizona racist law, carrying guns to
to public demonstrations, and other states trying to do the same thing Arizona is doing

There is a bad shift going on in this country that should not be ignored.

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:01 AM
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7. BS. Gonna be a lot of unhappy GOP'ers around after the midterms. n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:11 AM
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18. I hope you are right, but this should not be ignored. There is a strong anti-incumbant mood
going on right now, and that does not bode well for the Democrats in Congress right now, because we have the majority








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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:02 AM
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8. So says the Murdoch rag.
:eyes:
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Bgno64 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:02 AM
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9. But what about after they get in office
Sure, I see big GOP gains in the fall. But what then?

Does the Republican Party really have "the answer" to the economy? Not on your life, though they may just make things worse.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:13 AM
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20. Of course not, and if anyone had any intelligence they would historically look at what the
repukes have done to them the last 40 years compared to the Democrats, and realize just how regressive the repugs have been

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:22 AM
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30. But the democrats are often not even marginally better? Corporatism only benefits the super-rich.
That's what both parties are about: Promoting the welfare of large mega-corporations and the super-rich.

Why bother to vote when your country has fully morphed into a right wing duopoly?

I still vote but realize it doesn't do much more than pick the color of jersey (blue or red) that the servants of the corporate owners wear. :shrug:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:29 AM
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35. They are more than marginally better on the social programs without a doubt
Edited on Thu May-13-10 10:30 AM by still_one
Even though you may be skeptical, the Supreme Court nominee from a Democrat verses a republican would be vastly different


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:38 AM
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37. But as predatory capitalism rules all, social justice will begin to wane into non-existence.
These two, economic fascism and social justice can not co-exist within our budding Neo-Liberalistic Society.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:06 AM
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41. I did sense you would be skeptical /nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:04 AM
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12. The Rs control the propoganda machine.
Tell people that something is true enough times and they will believe it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:14 AM
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21. I agree, that is a big problem, and that a lot of people don't think critically /nt
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Orlandodem Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:05 AM
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13. In the long term, the GOP is in trouble with Hispanics and that is bad news for them.
I am a teacher and I am LIVID with the scapegoating of teachers by Obama and Duncan. I never gave money to a candidate until 2008. I never tried to persuade people to vote one way or the other until 2008. I get to vote for Grayson because he is my representative. Otherwise I have no use for the Dems. If Obama is going to dismiss a major constituency such as teachers I have no reason to vote for him or other Dems again. Maybe someone needs to put a bug in his ear and tell him to start working with teachers and not against them and we might stand for him.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:15 AM
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22. I agree /nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:07 AM
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14. maybe dems who act like repubs will lose to....real repubs. who'da thought eh? nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:09 AM
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16. The *conservative corporatism* demonstrated by our democratic leaders ON THE TAKE ...
never ceases to both amaze and disgust me. :(

Fascism is still fascism even when it wears a velvet glove and labels itself "democratic."

They claim to be 'centrists,' but these D.C. Dems -- whose corporate agendas aren't too different from Bush administration policies -- are living proof that the system needs fixing.

http://www.alternet.org/story/40482/
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:10 AM
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17. Then they will get what they deserve. Unfortunately we will also get what they deserve.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:11 AM
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19. considering how many people
who claim to be on the left(to different degrees) attack obama for close to everything he does, is anybody surprised that people might lean toward the GOP again? I mean seriously, if i saw somebodies own party attack him repeatedly over close to anything i would start doubting him too
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:18 AM
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25. No, don't blame "the people" when this Executive Branch continues two occupations
Edited on Thu May-13-10 10:18 AM by ShortnFiery
and extends the Patriot Act.

It's not the people, it's the CORPORATISM that the "centrist democrats" insist on clinging to.
These "new democrats" need only look in the mirror when they are attempting to cast blame come November.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:23 AM
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32. except that isn't the reason the "independents" are moving away from the Democrats
That may be justification why liberals are upset, but it was the "so-called" independents that turn elections


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:30 AM
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36. No, democrats do not stand for LIBERTY. Presently, they're just a cheap version of ...
the GOP lite.

Is it any wonder that if you don't stand up for our traditional "social justice" and "liberty" values as DEMOCRATS, that our party will lose until we do .... STAND FOR SOMETHING!?!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:19 AM
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27. I don't think that is what is moving most. I think some of it is underlying racism, along
with the economic catastrophe

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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:13 AM
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43. The solution is simple
Get rid of Brewer. Put her before the Hispanics and let them have their way with her.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:17 AM
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23. Results among those most likely to vote - i.e., predicated on turn-out....
All this is saying is that if the Republicans mobilize a base throught their Tea Party astroturf campaign, and if turnout otherwise is low, the Republicans win. It worked in 1994.

What the turnout will be very much depends on what the Obama administration does.

If they continue along their uninspiring, corporatist, pro-war, pro-banking course, which may as well have been calculated to alienate the very movement that swept Obama to power, then yes, the scenario of low turnout leading to Republican victories becomes very likely.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:26 AM
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34. The biggest threat to republican incumbents is tea party candidates, and Hispanics
which make the whole situation quite interesting


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:18 AM
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24. The gubmint is bad propaganda is working for them
People don't think past their nose and can't remember past yesterday.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:21 AM
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29. and the Democrats, especially Tim Kaine, better get off their ass and the message out /nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:18 AM
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26. People are angry and afraid.
They will vote against whomever they believe is to blame.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:20 AM
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28. That makes things very dangerous because people aren't thinking /nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:24 AM
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33. Exactly.
Anger and fear is the beginning some very scary shit.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:05 AM
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40. Only if you aren't willing to scare in return.
Such a person is not be esteemed. They are to be trampled on underfoot like the putrid vomit they are.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:23 AM
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31. wall street urinal is not reputable
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:43 AM
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38. Aren't other polls finding strengthening support for Democrats?
The source seems somewhat questionable IMHO. Anybody know how reliable this "poll" might actually be?
:shrug:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:04 AM
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39. The Journal's political reporting in particular absolutely cannot be trusted
Edited on Thu May-13-10 11:09 AM by BurtWorm
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:10 AM
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42. Poll in Wall Street Journal, poll declared invalid by virtue of the fact
that Rupert Murdoch owns said newspaper
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:24 AM
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44. What else would you expect to find written by WSJ?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:30 AM
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45. whatever the accuracy, GOPs going to get a lot more support than they would if
dems would take the talk radio monopoly seriously.

one thing the dem party should have done by now is provide a daily searchable database of what the main national and local right wing radio radio blowhards are saying. that is where the talking points and framing is started and that is why dems can not message ANYTHING and have to rely on truth and common sense to sneak through the work the left lets 1000 coordinated uncontested radio stations do.

dems can't frame anything as long as the left ignore talk radio and they need to start picketing those limbaugh megastations and start boycotting the local sponsors to support their reps and causes BEFORE the lies are established and the rest of the media jump on the GOP bandwagons that roll out of limbaughs and hannitys stations every morning.

climate bill is coming up and the compromises the left will hate obama for are largely going to be the result of the left giving the talk radio monopoly a free speech free ride to enforce a 60 vote supermajority in congress from red state senators whose state politics are dominated by the giant limbaugh megastations that get to blast away UNCONTESTED global warming denial 24/7. and many of those stations that do that global warming all day to enable those senators do sports programming for universities that shouldn't be supporting global warming denial.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:15 PM
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46. Considering the Journal is owned by Murdoch,
one must be sceptically of this.
On the other hand, many 'swing' voters found Bush acceptable for a second term.
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