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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:05 PM
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Lautenberg wants firearms banned from airports
They're not?? :wow:


Lautenberg wants firearms banned from airports
By Jordy Yager - 05/13/10 02:19 PM ET


Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) introduced a bill Thursday that would make it illegal for people to carry firearms into commercial airports throughout the country.

The measure would prohibit people from carrying guns into areas outside of the screening checkpoints at airports, including the airport lobby, baggage claim area and ticket counters. It would not alter laws that allow licensed gun carriers to check unloaded guns in a locked case in their baggage.

“In the post-9/11 world, it simply defies common sense that it would be legal to carry a gun into an airport,” Lautenberg said in a statement. “Our airports face threats every day and allowing someone to walk into a major airport with a loaded gun is a recipe for disaster.”

Law enforcement and security personnel, as well as active duty members of the military, would all be exempt from the law if passed.

more...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/97793-lautenberg-wants-firearms-banned-from-airports
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:07 PM
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1. I support this. Those security officers and police with guns disturb me.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 05:15 PM by SlipperySlope
Law enforcement and security personnel, as well as active duty members of the military, would all be exempt from the law if passed.

Oh, never mind, I see this law is aimed at us good little citizens...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:32 PM
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13. Shhh! Don't break the meme!
Gun control is for the protection of the people! :eyes:

It's amusing because DUers will fight x-ray machines tooth and nail but this? Lots of DUers in lockstep.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:38 PM
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16. How dare we resist this!
Edited on Thu May-13-10 09:38 PM by SlipperySlope
What else can we do to stop this wave of violent airport shootings carried out by "licensed gun owners". This legislation is clearly a top priority for our Congress to consider.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:09 PM
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2. baby formula and breast implants are our biggest threat, doncha ya know, babylonsister?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:09 PM
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3. Let me K&R now, before the posse comes with guns ablazin'
nt
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:19 PM
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4. No, they're not...
Edited on Thu May-13-10 05:20 PM by jberryhill
But I don't get how it wouldn't affect being able to check a firearm in a locked case in baggage if you can't take it into the airport.

Yes, when people go from place A for a hunting trip at place B, they take their guns, provided they comply with all relevant regulations for getting the gun from A to B. I can't recall the last time someone hi-jacked an airport. Although depending on A and B, you might have to have a licensed dealer at A ship it to a licensed dealer at B. They charge fees for this, of course, so the dealers tend to like it.

How does one enforce this? Screen for weapons outside of the airport? Maybe I'm dense, but I thought there was this system of metal detectors and x-ray machines for attempting to detect guns being taken to the gate area, and which is relatively effective at preventing people from taking guns there.

I don't own a gun, btw, but I'm trying to figure out (a) what problem is sought to be solved here and (b) what would be done any differently in the presence of this law than is currently done.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:28 PM
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5. Maybe moving security closer to airport doors, so everyone has
Edited on Thu May-13-10 05:42 PM by babylonsister
to be screened, or at least go through a scanner? I don't know either, and I doubt if someone has a legitimate reason to have a gun, they'd be a target of this.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:34 PM
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6. Screening everyone in the airport reduces security

The point is - we want to keep guns off of planes. I figure the simplest approach is what we do now, i.e. check the people (and hand luggage) who are going to get on the planes.

Some guy wandering around the check-in area with a gun in his pants is no more dangerous than the same guy in any other public space. I mean, of course I don't favor people wandering around public areas with a gun in their pants (subject to whatever the local laws are), but, seriously has there been some rash of incidents of people wandering into the non-gate areas of airports and shooting others, that is significantly different from people shooting others anywhere else?

What is the problem sought to be solved here, and what would be the point of screening people who aren't going to get onto a plane?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:38 PM
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7. Babylonsister, GA legislators just sent a law to the Governor's desk

..allowing people to carry a weapon (if they are licensed) in the nonsecured areas of the airport. Actually it was law 2 years ago but some legal readings made it necessary to rewrite and pass again the same law. In several states this is the law, but it only extends to the public, non-secured areas.

Also, you can bring guns into the ticket counter area to check as luggage.

Its not a big deal.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:44 PM
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8. Except that Lautenberg thinks it is a big deal; maybe he's trying
Edited on Thu May-13-10 05:45 PM by babylonsister
to head off any incidents? I hardly think he's doing this solely for attention. I need to read up on where he's coming from and why.

As for GA legislators, don't get me started. :hi:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:53 PM
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9. But that's the thing. He can't head off any incident because there is nothing

to stop anyone with malice from carrying a concealed weapon into an airport (in the unsecured areas). This law is just Lautenberg looking to score points among the anti-gun crowd but yet not do anything to actually make unsecured areas of the airport safer.

I bet you a slice of pizza at Vinnies that this bill won't even come to the floor for vote.

As someone who has to pick up folks at the airport sometimes late at night, I appreciate this law. I emailed Perdue to sign it.

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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:33 PM
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14. 100% right on.
As with so many of these anti-gun rights laws, they are all about making it LOOK like you're trying to make things safer, while actually doing nothing at all to accomplish that goal (and in fact, it could be argued that it's actually making this LESS safe).

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:46 PM
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10. Well then how is anyone supposed to get a secured, locked, unloaded gun checked in? /nt
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:28 PM
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11. Lautenberg is also in support of some other very bad legislation...
...which would use the Bush Terror Watch List to approve gun purchasers. He apparently has no objection to an unconstitutional, oversight-free, secret list with no due process when it's being used against something HE dislikes.

I don't trust Lautenberg for anything on this subject.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:44 PM
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20. Lautenberg is big on anti-gun legislation..
.. he shoots dems in the foot (pun intended) every year around election time with his latest cockamamie anti-gun bill(s).
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:30 PM
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12. Given that 9/11 was done, not with guns, but with box cutters...
...that this tool would even use 9/11 as his main reasoning is what defies common sense. Yet another solution searching for a problem.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:40 PM
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15. I want TSA banned from airports
I'm sure we'll work out a compromise - Federalize 'em, and have them PROPERLY trained.

Hawkeye-X
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:39 PM
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17. Every time I have to take off my shoes I know the terrorists have won.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 09:39 PM by SlipperySlope
When do we get our rights back? Can someone tell me?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:41 PM
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18. Doesn't seem to be a problem in all the states that don't prohibit it..


It's not the secure area, Frank, you moron. It's the baggage area, parking, and check-ins.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:44 PM
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19. Why does Sen. Lautenberg hate freedom?
Because guns=freedom 100% of the time. Any restriction on guns anywhere is tyranny.

And thus you're allowed to form militias to protect that freedom, any time, anywhere.

The Second Amendment is like all those OTHER Amendments.

It CANNOT be questioned.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:02 PM
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21. Screw with gun laws, become a minority. Very simple
there are shittons of laws now. Some poon from a cesspool state is doing nothing but making people think he is doing something useful with this shit.

Time to try a new path sir, even the stupid ones have pinned this issue as a loss leader disaster.

Fuck, i need a gun in newark, at least a map. Fix your shit airport first, then pass stupid laws. Your shit train that is always broken and grab ass airport should be illegal.
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