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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:42 PM
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Why do lawmakers always head for the poor and ..
Edited on Sat May-15-10 03:43 PM by butterfly77
middle class when they start cutting. Many who are poor were middle class in the past and it is their money too..These senators, congressmen and women of both parties always vote for money for buildings,museums,statues, parks,rich people,etc. I don't see them taking a pay cut anywhere.

WE THE PEOPLE need to put this on every ballot they are working for us. people are sleeping in their cars,on the street,in the woods,condemned housing,etc..I really wonder what in the hell these CON men and women of the GOP expect people to do.

These are the same damn people talking about welfare reform and now they are cutting it. WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS START BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING and start thinking about how we can start making things again. Why don't they teach wood shop and sewing and other trades in public schools like they use to.

The GOP doesn't want the taxes to go back to where they previously were,with the oil situation,and all of the other problems that are now being revealed do they really,really,really think that something is not going to explode soon while they and their precious Chamber of Commerce try to hide and protect the money they stole during the bush years.

All of my expenses went up all of a sudden during the bush years.The cost of living in this country is f---ed up!and these Mother----- are trying to make it worse. But bush lovers want more.Keep playing senators and congress people of both parties. Bring on some more Bluedogs it will not be good for any of you ..Its getting hot!!!:mad:


A lot of people have never been in this situation before. I think we will have a long hot summer maybe fall and winter too..


http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/arnold-schwarzeneggers-budget-will-dev-0
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:46 PM
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1. They do it because they can. Who is gonna stop them? Those of us living in our cars?
As many other homeless people are saying... They. Don't. Care.

and by "they", that means BOTH Dems and Repubs. Same/same.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 04:55 PM
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7. I agree on the same same...
this has been going on throughout the bush years and many didn't give a damn. I have heard from more than one person lately who fear they will become homeless..

It took all of this for many to now realize what has really been going on in this country as they wait in the welfare office and some still don't get it. I really don't know what they expect to get from the RepubliCONS..
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:09 PM
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10. what I can't seem to get across to people is that it is also the DEMS.
Edited on Sat May-15-10 05:16 PM by bobbolink
Clinton not only added welfare mothers and children to the numbers of homeless people (and who knows how many DIED), yet he is still lauded as a great Dem.

Raygun started this homelessness mess, but NOT ONE DEM HAS LIFTED ONE FINGER TO CHANGE IT.

Edited to say... what are DEMS doing Right NOW to end homelessness? ? ? ?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 09:08 AM
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19. What I can't seem to
get people to get is that a lot of these people run as Dems when they really DINOs. A lot of these Dems now have the spotlight on them and the same old,same old isn't going to fly.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:23 PM
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22. You're right, of course. And the other part of that is that most people rely on voting
as their only means of participating in a democracy.

It isn't just that there are sad excuses for representatives.... its that the masses don't want to hear anything about homelessness. So, of course, the representatives don't feel pushed in any way to DO ANYTHING helpful about homelessness.

We are just supposed to quietly die.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:51 PM
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25. They should have their asses in the streets...
and at their representatives offices everyday. As usual nobody listens until something really reveals what is going on or their asses begin feeling it or seeing it in their own families.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:09 PM
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26. As far as poverty is concerned, that ain't-a-gonna happen.
There aren't enough "progressives" to do that (are you gonna be there?), and of course, it gets said often here that it should be the POOR PEOPLE who do the street protesting. RIiiiiight.... like the cops would be ever-so-kind to poor folk!

Yeah, let poor folk do it all by ourselves.... no support from the likes of the liberals, no support from the community.... just take more lumps. Can you tell the thought of that enrages me?

In my thought process, the only way to progress from here is to educate a large number of people about the reality of poverty and homelessness. And since that has been repeatedly tried at DU, and the results are abysmal, I think it is time to reach out to more receptive people.

Once more compassionate people have been educated and become stirred up by the TRUTH, then maybe, MAYBE, "progressives" will then decide they can safely be involved in this much-needed "change".
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:46 PM
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2. Because those groups are quite powerless to stop lawmakers
while the uber-rich make sure lawmakers write the laws to suit their tastes.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 07:21 PM
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16. +1 NT
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:49 PM
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3. Those entitlement programs for the rich should sunset this year. Most likely
lawmakers will extend those entitlement programs on the backs of the working class so the rich will not have to suffer....
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 04:58 PM
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8. The rich will pay..
one way or the other..
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:29 PM
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11. Only "the working class"? You really don't think poor folk will suffer from cuts?
Really?

Pssst.... here's a little secret for you... it looks like now that the Obama administration is doing what the Reagan administration did---cutting people off of disability.

During the 80s when Raygun did this, there were thousands of suicides. Will it matter if there is a repeat of thousands of suicides under Obama???
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:50 PM
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4. I think I'd respect them more if they'd just line us all up and shoot us
At least then the intent is crystal clear to all.

Fuckers.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:10 PM
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13. I agree completely, and for the same reason... HONESTY.
Plus Responsibility.

They clearly want us DEAD, and should be honest and take responsibility for that.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:54 PM
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5. Because by ALL power brokers the poor are a blight,
A social disease, a burden.

And there is a broad spectrum of agreement across society.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:06 PM
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9. Their will be a blight ...
on their asses if they keep talking nonsense while the many who weren't paying attention are now at home watching their bullshit people are angry..
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 04:16 PM
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6. Cuz if they went towards the affluent, they'd run into rich people...
...and it's rich people who bribe them to go the other way. Cheaper than taxes.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:08 PM
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12. Because poor and working people can't afford an army of attorneys and lobbyists...
Wealthy people have hundreds of tax attorneys, accountants, judges and politicians... just standing by.. waiting to do their bidding.

When working people stand up for themselves...they are on their own.. they are called "Anarchists" by Geraldo Rivera on Faux News.

The deck is stacked.. the game is rigged.. the playing field is only level for those with CASH.




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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:33 PM
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24. +10000.
Poor and working people don't have the resources to fight back for very long no matter how wrong or unjust something is.

Just look at the Exxon Valdez settlement that took 20 years and several key Supreme Court appointments for Exxon to get what they wanted.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:27 PM
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14. Poor and middle class
It is because these two groups aren't able or can't get together and organize. Part of the realize is that I don't think the middle class cares about the poor.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:34 PM
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15. Because the poor and middle class don't have many lobbyists.
And the poor have fewer advocates since ACORN was suppressed.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:22 PM
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23. So, why aren't "progressives" then stepping up to fill that void?
why is there so much resistence here on DU to speaking out on our behalf?

To simply listening to us?

To seriously figure out ways to change the dynamic?

Your statement makes it hopeless.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 07:23 PM
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17. Congress needs a paycut? eom
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 07:39 PM
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18. They do it because these are the people who have ...
little or no power to stop them. We don't have unlimited funds to throw around to finance their campaigns or bribe funds to grease them when they can't get elected anymore. They don't care about our needs because they don't have to make do or do without the way we have to do to get by day by day.

It has gone beyond teaching vocational skills in the public schools, they are trying to destroy the public schools and replace them with privatized charter schools where they can hire teachers without sufficient credentials who do not teach the students well and in some cases physically abuse them. This probably happens more than we know. It is cheaper for them and the more ignorant they can keep the population at large the less effective we would be at working the system to turn them out of office.

The government lets the big monolithic companies move themselves and their jobs offshore so that we don't have as many jobs here, and it doesn't matter what skills we have there is still nothing to work at. It saves them money and many of us are more or less permanently unemployed because there is simply no work we can find.

Yes, I have definitely noticed how expensive it is to buy stuff here. In L.A. we have basically two big supermarket chains, and one of them was recently charged with fixing their prices so that in addition to inflation consumers, have to pay extra for the privilege of shopping at a monopoly.

There are a lot of things that have been broken and we need to try to fix them. They affect us the most but there are still more of us and we can still push back. If we don't they will grind us into oblivion.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 09:52 AM
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20. Actually, museums, parks, and the like ...
... have been hurting for funds in many places. Basically, any public service that is used by people of all incomes is vulnerable.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 10:24 AM
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21. wealth concentration = power concentration
When we forcibly 'de-concentrate' the wealth, their grip on power will loosen. The poor are compassionate which can make for a poor revolutionary.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:22 PM
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27. Voting will stop them and change it for the better ....NOT!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:53 PM
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28. because they do not represent us, they represent their corporate owners.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:56 PM
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29. Modus operandi.
Low hanging fruit.
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