Something has changed... feel it? Even the MSM is cracking... LA Times says time to come home

It reminds me of the change of atmosphere during the Watergate investigation.

Everything had been ignored, until one day the MSM started picking up on what Woodward and Bernstein had been reporting on for months. IT suddenly gained momentum, and a day after Nixon said he would not resign, he was visited by top Repubs and went on tv the next night and said he would resign.

I don't think we are there yet, but we are definitely headed in the right direction.

Repub Candidates won't mention Bush's name in the Repub Debate.

Moderate Repubs are starting to support Democratic efforts to end this war.

The polling of the American people shows they are solidly behind ending this war.

Something has definitely changed ... and it is not Bush.

but don't rest for a moment. the powers that be have probably already written off the 2008 presidential election and are fighting for power in other ways.

the price of freedom is eternal vigilance!

That's why we've got to prosecute people this time.

of being disappointed, again. They have done so many terrible things and they are still there doing more.

Never Give Up.

They don't want the freeptard raining on their parade,
except Mitt the Shit. He has nothing to lose! :P

I hope you're right!
But we must still keep protesting the war and keep the pressure on!

hearing this loud gurgling noise. That's the sound of this country going down the drain. I fear they have heard it too late to do anything meaningful to stop it. We can hope, but hope doesn't feed the hungry or care for the wounded or comfort the bereaved. Hope, in the end, is just hope...

here in Nebraska.

I'm not saying this is all about the election either, I think people are finall fed up w/all of the garbage that has been going on, and since the media awoke from it's 6 year slumber, it has begun doing it's job.

For all of the squawking I've been doing since 2000, it feels to me like it is finally paying off...:woohoo:

People seem to be regaining their voice, speaking out against the Bush Administration policies.

I see former Bush supporters who will not say anything positive about Bush or this war.

I see far fewer Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. It is like they were removed recently.

The tv ads, and the internet are putting the issues before the people and they are responding.

I agree that eternal vigilance is required, but the Right Wing base seems to be losing support, and it is not just because Bush is a 'lame duck' president.

Seeing a lot of I MISS BILL bumper stickers

that went up after Cong. Murtha came out against the war a few years ago. It said something to the effect of "Mr. Murtha: Cowards cut and run, Marines never do." It amazed me that ANYONE could presume to 1) tell Murtha what Marines do and don't do, and 2) imply that Murtha was a coward. But these are the people who bought Saxby Chambliss's raft of shit about Max Cleland being a coward, so.... If nothing else, it's become more difficult for these freepers and war fetishists to have their shit taken seriously over the last year or two. Small victories....

and the fear of being unpatriotic, or nonsupporting, or with "them", has contributed to untold injustices... time to regain our voices and our integrity

this fratboy and his ignorance and arrogance must stop now.

including subpoenas for documents and public personal testimonies, the whiff of Republican defection from the Rove lock step...and, obviously, the deadly, utter failure of our occupation of Iraq as the touchstone to it all.

In a sadly ironic way, the dead in Iraq - American, European, South American, Asian and Iraqi alike - may not have died in vain. They may have given us back *our* democracy. (Just a thought...)

I hope we can reclaim that and help make things as right as possible for Iraq once this is over.

There was another article in today's LA Times, saying Gates is probably the ghost writer of the Iraq Study Group Plan (at least the early drafts). Gates is sitting on his disagreement with Bush's "denial" syndrome.

The facts on the ground are what's turning this. Gates is rational, although way too conservative for my taste. Bush is not rational.

625 days to go.

They know that the last chance the Republicans have at maintaining any sort of numbers in Congress, or having so much as a chance in hell at the presidency next time, rests on getting our forces OUT of Iraq prior to election season.

And Bush is blocking that, putting his own pride ahead of the soldiers and- more importantly to these sorts of guys- ahead of the GOP.

...about the Corporate Media?

(And if your answer is "nothing," why do you call them "MSM?")

NGU.

In that sense, they are still "mainstream."

BTW, Tass and Pravda were "mainstream" media in the old Soviet Union.

...are all chubby, middle-aged white guys??

:eyes:

They're the Corporate Media or the Dominant Media. Why give them props for being acceptable where NONE are due?

NGU.

I think this "the MSM is waking up" is a pile of bullshit. It was the MSM (I refer to them as CorpMedia or simply "media whores") who enabled the neo-con fascists under Bush to steal the elections (2000--remember John Ellis, GW's first cousin who was working for FoxNews called the election before all the votes were counted), take us into a war based on lies (CorpMedia could've stopped it but they had been promised media deregulation by Rove in exchange for unquestioning support of Il Duce, outed Plame (so when does Novak go to jail for treason?), to many other transgressions and malfeasance that could have been stopped if the media had done their job.

We mustn't forget that 100s of thousands of people are dead and the US faces trillion-dollar deficits because of them. No, I don't think this media will ever "wake up." And I won't be satisfied until all the Bushistas and the media who enabled them (this includes Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, the FoxNews team, CNN, the networks, etc. etc.) are all held accountable and punished for their complicity in this madness.

The term "MSM" does not reflect the Main Street in my town (even if we had one)...and is a right wing talking point that avoids the fact that it's corporate America, not Main Street, that controls the airwaves and thus the information that flows on them. It's Beltway Media...not Main Street...or if it's a street it'd be K Street.

I don't suspect we'll see a single US Troop leave Iraq until next year...if not later. This regime is hellbent on "staying the course" and will fight taking any responsibility for this debacle until its beyond ridiculous...we'll get Friedmans and "give the surge" time and all sorts of other tactics...and sadly, as long as there are 33 Repugnican kool-aid drinkers and Liebermann, this occupation will continue.

Watching that sham of a debate last week, the only person who showed any regret about this mess is Paul and he stands an ice cube's chance in hell of that happening. The Repugnican party is now welded to this invasion and will be willing to go down with it than do what's right or what 65% plus of the people want.

... no more relaxation of media consolidation rules, no more plum rulings in their behalf, and soon no more guaranteed access to the White House by a Repub President.

So now they realize that a massive change is sweeping out Repubs, and they better start reporting at least some of the facts that will support this wholesale turning out of Repubs that will occur in 2008.

THe MSM always has its own agenda. However, they sense that something has changed as well...

I noticed after that that we could criticize Bush openly without the "traitor" tag being hurled at us.That was when the public mood started to change about him,and now it's just gaining more and more momentum.I'm hoping that by the end of his term we're throwing rotten garbage at him when he leaves the White House.

Too bad it was the last enjoyable thing we'd see for 8 years.

there were lots of protestors at his inauguration parade, but he MSM failed to show it on tv. However, they could not cover up the fact that he was whisked away inside his limo rather than bask in what should have been public approval at his parade.

stronghold, and sure enough, all of the National Guard equipment that could help out these folks is in IRAQ.... Just like the rest of our national treasure.

:kick:

since the PNAC promises of world domination through relentless militarism and brutality have proven to be very costly delusions promoted by a gang of psychopathic con artists. Bad for Big Business, and they are no longer preventing the media from telling a bit of truth about that gang of swindlers.

(edit typo)

One needs only to watch the morning entertainment/news blather like GMA to see that while they have moments of something close to reporting, they still fall into line like obedient press poodles when the WH tosses them a bone.

I think both the MSM and Corporations are crapping their pants at the level of anger from the american public - and they are not quite sure which way to fly.

We still don't know who was really responsible for 9/11. I remind everyone that this administration has offered no more solid evidence that bin Laden was behind 9/11 than it did in 'proving' that Iraq had WMD. Far less, in fact. The so called 'confession tape' is as much a hoax as was the Niger documents. This, however, is not discussed in the mainstream media or in polite political circles. Perhaps for good reason, perhaps not. The point being there are people 'on the loose' who have no ethical or moral compass and have the ability to stage real events that have powerfully significant consequences. The Iraq war is just the icing on the cake.

Or maybe just the second layer and the icing is still to come. :scared:

so far at least they've gotten away with everything and have been held accountable for nothing. Why should they stop now? All it takes is one well timed, well planned and executed 'distraction'; something that will keep the social attention focused on 'the problem' 24/7 by the media to which, of course, they will offer 'the solution' as an obvious and perhaps regrettably necessary reaction. What will it be? A small nuke going off in a major city either here or somewhere else in the world? An attack on our Navy currently in the Gulf? Or perhaps something monetary and economic -- a sudden and precipitous decline in the value of the dollar?

Impeachment may be 'off the table' for Democrats but Nuking Iran is definitely 'on the table' for the Bush administration. Who is going to stop them? How? With what? If they can get away with 9/11 -- and by that I mean cover-up whatever actually happened and make it a topic which is not to be discussed openly, then someone please tell me what can't they do? The 9/11 criminals are still at large. Not identified, perhaps not even being pursued. Meanwhile our entire social focus has been shifted to pursing a 'war' based on totally false premises and baseless assertions. How many people, American, Afghani, Iraqi and others, have died? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Does anyone really know?? Does anyone really care?

What are WE going to do when 'the other shoe' drops? Are the Democrats, once again, going to fall inline unquestioningly and scream for the heads of whoever or whatever the Bush administration says is responsible?

But of course the 9/11 criminals who remain at large could continue to 'remain at large' even with a Democratic controlled Congress, Senate and even Whitehouse. Unless a real investigation is forth-coming. So far that is not only not on the table, it isn't even in the kitchen. Where does that leave us? What does that say about our country, our laws, our government and the various bureaus and departments and military that are supposed to protect us and the constitution? You know, the people we trust with our very lives and the lives of our family and loved-ones day in and day out?

72% don't support Bush.
Suck it up Congress; vacuum the White House.

I imagine the headline "Pres. and VP resign."
Then I imagine what that means... personally that means I have a self-declared day off, and alcohol and fancy food usually enter the picture. What happens after that? I usually don't let my imagination wander that far.
I'm going to make a poll about this. You've inspired me.
K&R