Dear dingbats who argue that if we leave Iraq the terrorists will follow us home.

ARE YOU DENSE?

The people whose most dangerous weapons are HOMEMADE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVISES are going to start a WAR on American soil? The reason they use suicide bombers and boobie traps is THEY HAVE NO OTHER MEANS OF DELIVERING A BOMB! For crying out loud they can't launch the things because they don't have the capability.

"They will follow us home". How are they going to do this? I mean seriously HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THIS? With their non-existent fleet of war ships or B52 bombers?

John McCain at the Repuli-stupid debates:

"We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home."

They simply do not understand logic or truth.

Redstone

to cross the ocean. Or is it the duct taped wooden drones?

fight way thru China and Siberia, then island hop via the Aleutians.

Next: fight way down the Alaskan highway, thru BC (Canada would welcome them all as refugees, don't you know, according to FoxNews) and end up in Seattle, from thence fan out in all directions.

They would have acquired Artic LST landing crafts by converting Siberian fishing boats along the way. . .

Or else, just give them all Saudi diplomatic passports and fill the diplomatic pouches with HE and let them fly via KLM. (We all know that Dutch is code for "soft on terrorism, now don't we?"

I don't know who invented this talking point, but it is patently laughable. They can't even fight them there, much less here.

And I have a strong feeling that were the continents of Africa, N.A., S.A., or anywhere in Eurasia invaded by terrorists that they would not get very far. Maybe Antartica. Just maybe, after the learned antartic survival skills.

...if we'd stop supporting dictators who let us pillage their country's natural resources while oppressing the people.

I also think it IS just a matter of time before we get our first true "suicide bomber".

However,as bad as that might be,it's still better than staying in Iraq.We wont have IED's going off on Route 66,and I'd rather deal with the odd suicide bomber here than lose twenty-thirty people a week over there like we are now.

Iraq. They try to convince people that every terrorist in the world has moved to Iraq.


It's madness!

Besides,we don't need to import terror..we can breed our own.

Or perhaps like the USS Cole, or the first WTC bombing, or the Oklahoma City bombing. Plenty of ways to get destruction done. I'm not sure if he might've meant it some other way... and I have no idea if it would really happen or not.

reprehensible concept to say that we have to trash another country to protect against the slim possibility that if we don't it will result in Americans being attacked on their own soil. Disgusting. Especially since attacking Iraq (which McCain ACTIVELY and PUBLICALLY promoted), probably INCREASED the chance that another 9/11 attack will occur. And McCain should know better, but he's become a delusional immoral joke. He just got a bunch of Iraqis killed last month with his attempts to defend his indefensible ideas. There is no reason to defend him.

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...I wasn't defending him. Personally, I don't care for McCain at ALL.

to watch McCain now. For many years my DH & I were caregivers for a loved one with Alz/dementia and we both see signs of that with him. I may dislike his politics but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

So you don't care for McCain (good for you :D), do you have one you do "care for"? I haven't made my mind up who I like best out of the current "official" bunch so I'm fairly open to hearing who folks prefer and why. :)

...I'm leaning towards Obama, but I wish he had more experience and had a better plan--or a plan at all--for the defense of America, if we are attacked. I like Hillary's ideas abut defense, but I get a weird feeling about having the Clintons back in the White House. I don't care for Edwards or Kucinich--and I can't quite bring myself to vote for Gore should he decide to run. However, I might could change my mind on that one if I could hear some of his policies, were he to campaign for real. As to the rest,I need to hear more from them. I'm still on the fence.

And what is stopping them from "the first WTC bombing, or the Oklahoma City bombing" now? Do these idiots believe we have every terrorist who would mean us harm corralled in Baghdad?

Like how Bush says 9/11 and Iraq in the same paragraph. It is a surreptitious tool aimed at the easily led.

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And the US is swarming with them

The problem with BushCo is that they think everyone is like them; everyone can be bought off. The idea is to "win" by buying Iraqi cooperation and then they're just supposed to forget who killed whom.

It's completely Crazy!!

It's WAY too late to prevent terrorist reactions to the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. All of that was set into motion with Shock and Awe and will go forward no matter what we do. The only question now is whether we continue to increase them or not.

part: That whole argument is stupid and hearing it infuriates me.

Do they not already know how to get here?
Why would they wait for us to leave Iraq before they decide to come here?
Can't they just come here whenever they feel like it?

And then there's the crap about how setting a timetable tells them when we will leave. Well, duh.
And staying there indefinitely tells them that the store is not being minded here.
Take your pick. Really makes no difference. If they want to come here they will, without any queues from us.

And, by the way, who are "THEY"?

The reason that there have been no attacks
on US soil since 9/11 is that 9/11 was the
big kahuna.

Any terrorist attack post 9/11 would be an
anti-climax; a lunch bag letdown and most
important; strategically self defeating for
the Jihadis.

What did the Jihadis gain from 9/11? The
presence of the entire inventory of combat
ready US troops, including reserves and NG
in Afghanistan, Iraq.

They answered Bush's 'bring it on' bravado with
"No stupid. You bring it on."

That is why 9/11 was a, pardon the expression,
'brilliant' victory for the wahabis. They forced
Bushco to make a fundamental strategic mistake,
'never let the enemy chose the battlefield'

This military principle was first formulated in
Sung Sui's the art of war two millennia ago.

Most recently Napoleon made it the center piece
of his conquest of Europe. He failed when he
broke this fundamental rule when he invaded Russia.
The coup de gras was delivered at Waterloo when the
British forced him to play by their battle plan.

The modern equivalent of this rule would be,
'never fight the enemy on their own turf'

Since Vietnam and with the weakness of Rumsfeld's
transformational war doctrine, it appears that
the brain trust on the Joint Chief of Staff are
oblivious to Sung Sui's wisdom or they are just
plain stupid.

Repeating a failure is not a recipe for success or
as Einstein said, "You cannot solve a problem with
the mind that created it."

before.

There is no reason, except perhaps there are easier targets in Baghdad, why they can't continue to blow our soldiers into red mist in Iraq while plotting and prepping for operations here in the States.

Thinking they can't do that is damn stupid. "Oh, Iraq has them fully occupied" is bullshit thinking. If a major attack happens here, WHERE is the National Guard to secure the area and begin rescue, recovery, resupply, and reconstruction efforts?

Oh, I forgot... being turned into chunky salsa over in Eye-Rack so 'they' can't fight us over here...

These notions are nothing but hubris.
While Iraq as such is one of the youngest nations in the world (1921), its genesis is very ancient.
Down through the centuries numerous powers have invaded the region and despite every indignity imposed upon them, they have survived and achieved much.

How can anybody today claim superior knowledge as to what is right for those people, given their long history of success. Baghdad was during the 8th and 9th century a hub of education and commerce, ranking as the largest city in the world. Much of their history is entirely admirable and worthy of great credit.
Even as far back as the 2nd century AD, Hadrian withdrew the Roman armies from Mesopotamia, declaring their conquest to be indefensible. ( A lesson the current invaders might have benefited from considering)

Yet this ignorant American administration who have proven incapable of taking care of matters domestic, claim some right to determine the future of an ancient civilisation on the other side of the planet. Note also that those people have no history of invading distant lands, their war making limited to skirmishes within their region.
The predictions of genocide and invasion of America is no more than a fantasy of this administration determined to maintain control over their own populace through the promulgation of fear.
There is as much truth to these contentions as there was to the WMD "facts".

Hubris indeed.

'who lives in a pineapple under the sea?' 'insurgent i-ra-qi!'


either that or there's this scary mass amnesty/visa program slated by the Bush gov't for them to come into our country.
"purpose for travel or stay?" "death to america!" "k, good enough. welcome to america!"

to keep the 'enemy' from coming here is like throwing virgins into volcanoes to appease the gods.

I thought it was obvious, they are going to pull a Steven Segal and wear ALL black and use suction cups to attach themselves to our ships, and are going to sneak into the wheel wells on our transport planes.

Once they get on our soil, they are going to hijack a badly secured train with a nuclear/chemical/biological arsenal on board, and, in the process, beat up a shitload of guys who are probably CIA Number 2 and 3 guys.

Unless we secure our borders, ports, airports, and start enforcing our immigration laws, of course they will follow us home. The only reason that they don't "follow us home" is because it is easier to kill Americans in Rummyland.

For the record, we will always have a war on terror. We need to fight it smarter. Secure the homeland. Bring the troops home.

I always say that if you want to protect your family put a big lock on your door. Don't go down the street and start a fight and think it is going to keep you safe.

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So they may be right...

For a while I've been having fun with those sheeple that ape the "we gotta get 'em there or they'll get us here crap". Besides the obvious that there's nothing stopping "them" from coming here now...the fun begins when I start prying into their paranoia...and that's what it is.

The GOOP has made its name on fear and paranoia...scaring their hordes into submission and servitude. They've created people who are scared of everything and anything...from Reds under the beds to scary brown-skin people either flying airplanes into their heads or climbing across the border to serve them food. No matter where you look, if you're a Repugnican, you're scared shit 24/7...and if there is a time where you don't feel threatened, just turn on Rushbo and he'll give you more boogie men to fear.

Next time you encounter one of these WATBs, just ask them to describe who "them" is and be prepared for a stereotype that covers tons of racist and cultural slurs but little fact. When you live in the big lie, the only way to keep going is to add on to that lie...and the GOOP has made it their agenda to not only ramp up the lie, but the fear as well.

then we should stay forever. No skin off our nose, right?

*koff*

The war there imperils us here. The "They'll follow us home" argument is perfect bait-and-switch: turn your opponent's strength against them. We've argued for years that the invasion is manufacturing inspired, enraged terrorists that will attack us here sooner or later...so they argue that withdrawal will manufacture inspired, enraged terrorists that will attack us if we leave, etc. etc. etc.

Bait and switch.

But we are creating terrorism there...with our terrorism. It's a wheel, and someone is always getting rich off the turning.

putting bombs in our semi trailers. Like this has been happening a lot lately.... My boss didn't know what to say when I said, why not just secure the borders.