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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:22 AM Original message |
Defense Tech: Taliban Fear 155mm Excalibur “Finger of Death” |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. If history has proved anything, it is that technology will not defeat native guerilla fighters |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Evertyime you kill one, 2 more spring up |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. You can't destroy a belief system with war, just ask the Romans about those Christians (nt) |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Reply #1, #2 and #17... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. Fleas hate Frontline! |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. The old standby "dumb" 155mm round is no slouch, either....and it costs |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Various sources put the cost at $80,000 to $50,000 each |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. . |
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lefty2000 (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
47. Or the salaries of 5 privates n/t |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Yes, but how many do you have to fire to be able to fire for effect? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yup Yup and that is a huge advantage. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I bow to your superior knowledge - my experience with 155's is |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. In late 69, early 70 I made the powder for the 155. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. I DO recall a program back in those days that gave tax credits for hiring |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. We were seen as homicidal dopers by them. Maybe we were, but we served |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. "Homicidal dopers"- fuck, nobody's perfect....... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. DUzy! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Like it's a bad thing |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Yes...everyone needs a hobby.......nt |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. As long as the hobby doesn't need lubricant and a lawyer. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Vietnam Vet-Shot at and missed, shit at and hit n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. "Never called it in, in theater" |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. An important distinction to make these days! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Only if you're running for Senate... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Its purpose was counterbattery, wasn't it? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. There is no homing device in this round. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. There was no system that automatically finds FO's through their comms |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. You are thinking of the Copperhead |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
6. All we need to do is buy and deploy more, and then the Taliban will surrender! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. Artillery - The King of Battle. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Impressive is right |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. Of all the horrific scenes my late father faced during the three years he was on the front lines |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
64. "truly evil" |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Imagine the PROFIT the munitions factory makes... |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Imagine the safety it offers to FO's to not have worry about |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. Imagine all the collateral damage and increasing numbers of recruits for al Qaeda when rounds ... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Umm... the point of these is they don't go astray |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. And how well we know what's going on 40,000 meters away |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Did you read the OP? |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. An infallible human being who never makes a mistake |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. If that is your minimum required standard you will kill yourself right? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. So now that you've looked up what a forward observer is... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Certainly fewer mistakes than with a "dumb" round |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It also corrects for gun crew errors. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. That's why God made E-3's |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Artillery FOs are Lieutenants n/t |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. There are these new things, I'm not sure if you have heard of them, they are called UAV's |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yay death! |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. This is how I feel +1! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. 155 is the grim reaper. combined with MLRS left tens of thousands in the desert |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
48. Hot damn that's super neat! If our tax dollars go to DEATH, let's give plenty to the 155 s! |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. In depth information over Global Security.... |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's probably cheaper than something like a Javelin or Hellfire. |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
30. Hey! I served in the 3/187 Infantry. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
33. It's all technically impressive |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Agreed that there are wasteful DOD programs but this is not one of them. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
38. So, the 155mm Excalibur contract is up for renewal, and this "report" is an ADVERTISEMENT for it. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. LOL. You have no idea how procurement works do you. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. The military services have two different enemies |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I know how BULLSHIT works. And I recognize it when I smell it. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. LOL +1 |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Fuckin' A, Richard!! Speak up, you're among friends! Welcome all comments. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
42. Death in every crevasse and cranny. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
62. Pulled from Taliban radio chatter: "I've almost been hit by one of those mothers 5 times!" |
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