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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:47 AM Original message |
Freedom is the opposite of "free to discriminate" |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. So I can't even refuse to serve Rush Limbaugh? |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. lol |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. If your sign read... |
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secondwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. KICKED |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
4. Actually I think you could not be more wrong |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I'm not wrong. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. "true freedom" means freedom for ALL is quite the paradox |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No. You are imposing your freedom of religion on me |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Freedom from religion is simply you discriminating. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Nope. I'm not imposing my freedom from religion on you |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Ok, so if I have freedom, why do I not have the freedom to tell |
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TampaAnimus2010 (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. This sounds like a textbook case of negative vs positive rights... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Merely A Sophomore's Formula, Sir |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Thanks, I am well aware it's not a sophistical argument |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. In The Words Of the Old Professor, Sir |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. A comment that would be gleefully attributed by a certain faction, to Jesus of Nazareth. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Shouldn't I be free to discriminate and be discriminated against in a free country? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No, you're missing the point.... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I know. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Whew. Thanks. |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. What about the group of people who refuse to bathe? Shall they demand the freedom to sit |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I think this one falls where Rand Paul wanted... |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
7. This is related to the Harm Principle... which I agree with so |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yup. n/t |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Exactly. I'm not free to INFRINGE on another's freedom |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
12. It's A Conundrum, Isn't It? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The things you list aren't all equivalent |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Are you suggesting that one can't* refuse service to anyone for -any- reason? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. By discriminate, I guess I meant "refuse based on personal prejudice" |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. Devil's Advocate |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
14. You get a Rec |
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athenasatanjesus (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. There is no such thing as pure freedom. |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Have some libertarians proposed to legalize murder? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. No, only dueling |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. LOL! Okay, well, I can get on board with that. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Sigh. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
16. Discrimination is the opposite of Freedom. It is Slavery to one's own Ignorance & Hatred, so it is |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. One persons freedom tends to clash with other peoples freedoms. |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Indeed, and there are some who object to you impeding the efficient, speedy flow |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. Discrimination isn't a bad thing in and of itself. We all do it (and would be automatons if we |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. Freedom |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. To put it in short, no one is "free" to do harm. |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I think you're mistaken. A 'free' person most definitely has the freedom to do harm. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Let me put it this way: doing harm, and then claiming one should be "free" to do it, is wrong. |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. But what realistic definition of "freedom" would be even close, if it is not |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. So freedom includes the right to kill, rape, steal, whatever, as long as one doesn't get caught? |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I strive for precision as well as accuracy (I'm sure you know the difference) |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. Actually pure freedom is anarchy. |
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