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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:35 PM
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Co-Chair of Obama's debt commission says we are going to the "bow-wows"
because of Social Security and Medicare. This is the guy who will be co-chair of the commission that will decide the fate of Social Security.

Here are some more of his words about the elderly.

“These old cats 70 and 80 years old who are not affected in one whiff. People who live in gated communities and drive their Lexus to the Perkins restaurant to get the AARP discount. This is madness.”


Here is more from the Unsilent Generation website.

It is a site formed for:

Information and commentary on the politics of aging for pissed-off progressive old folks (and future old folks). . . because we're not dead yet.


Thanks to DUer Hannah Bell for the link.

Alan Simpson denounces Fat Cat Geezers

First some words of concern and wonderment about how the commission was formed.

It’s a little hard to believe that the political professionals within the Whte House (meaning Rahm Emmanuel) knew what they were getting themselves into when they appointed former Wyoming Senator Alan Simpson to co-chair the president’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Yes, it’s obvious that the so-called Deficit Commission’s real purpose is to cut old-age entitlements, a move long favored by Simpson, as well as by the Heritage Foundation and Wall Street. But did they really want someone who would be quite so crude and blatant about these intentions–and so whacked out as well?


Hard to believe this commission will respect seniors, the elderly when they start "fixing" the deficit.

Simpson has already said that Social Security and Medicare are the reason “this country is gonna go to the bow-wows,” and he wouldn’t be dissuaded from cutting them by AARP or “the Gray Panthers, the Pink Panther, whatever.” But in an interview on Fox News last week, Simpson managed to outdo himself.

..."Simpson never makes boring copy, and so far he has been consistently quotable in his remarks. He and his co-chairman, Erskine Bowles, make quite a media pair.

But the press needs to pay attention to what they are saying, because their drive to cut the deficit will affect the financial well-being of every man, woman, and child in America. So far the direction of the media coverage has been driven by their mantra: everything is on the table; no more Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to Social Security and Medicare. The Erskine and Alan show is laying the groundwork for drastically changing Social Security and Medicare in ways that might not be so palatable with the public. It didn’t take Simpson long to climb on his hobbyhorse—that whatever the commission recommends will not hurt older folks. “Erskine and I are in this one for our grandchildren,” he said. “Somebody said they’re stalking horses for taxes. I’m not a stalking horse for taxes. I’m a stalking horse for my grandchildren.”


And more words of kindness toward us older folks from Alan Simpson in a recent Newsweek interview.

Q: It seems like distortion, on both sides, is standard practice now in Washington.

Simpson: And it's all BS. I don't have to take that nonsense. Look at my record. No one can say I want higher taxes. You're entitled to be called a fool, idiot, bonehead, slob, screwball. But an attack unanswered is an attack believed. I never lost an election because even though I was called everything, I never let them distort who I was. It's the same with this tax thing—I'm going to shove it right up their nostrils. Try this: Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will use up all the taxes—revenue—the government takes in this year. And to do the rest of governing we'll have to borrow, including for massive things like defense, homeland security, education. Those will be paid for by shaking a tin cup in front of the world. And China will probably be throwing more chips in the tin cup than any other country, just waiting patiently for us to expire under the debt. The people who distort the commission and try to scare people into doing nothing, let's say they win the day, and we don't do anything to try to bring down this debt. Well, great. They've got grandchildren, too, and in 40 years they'll be sucking canal water and picking grit with the chickens.


Sucking canal water and picking grit with the chickens.

Heck of a job picking that commission.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:36 PM
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1. Beautiful talk from him. I guess we know what that "commission" will come up with
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:38 PM
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2. I have hated this motherfucker since the Clarence Thomas hearings.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:39 PM
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12. That makes 2 of us. I absolutely loathe him. Nasty and vile, always. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:39 PM
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3. i bet simpson collects ss. the useless geezer.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:43 PM
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4. Everything is on the table? I'll bet that the Pentagon and two wars aren't
a part of that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:44 PM
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5. That must be the table that prosecuting Bush war crimes had no room for.
That was OFF the table. But lo and behold there's more room on the buffet now.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:48 PM
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6. Well our Democratic President is promising to end those wars. We shall see.
But the reality remains. Every dollar we spend today is a dollar that we will have increase taxes or decrease spending for in the future. We are spending beyond our means and that endangers future social security payments.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:12 PM
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7. Obama wants a trillion for his wars, has to come from somewhere - certainly NOT gonna
come from any cuts to the military welfare complex

Msongs
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:59 PM
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8. Plenty of money for death, no money for life
and so it goes. :-(
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:39 PM
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19. I haven't gotten the sense that the President cares much about the elderly.
Joking about not "pulling the plug on Grandma", to me, revealed a man who doesn't grasp that that scenario is VERY REAL to too many citizens.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:56 PM
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50. Well, he's headed toward being elderly himself
although we will be paying for his retirement.

Not a word about cutting the military budget, which would pay for the entire country's needs for decades to come.

Obama is no friend of the people. He has proven over and over that to please his corporate bosses he will betray everyone, including oId friends.

This will be a fight he cannot imagine. Everyone has a mother, grandmother, father etc. on SS or Medicare. And he is going to be on the wrong side of it again.

If he is responsible for Alan Simpson being on this Commission, I completely give up on him. That is won radical, insane human being.

When is Obama going to get to being really bi-partisan? Like reaching out to the side of the aisle that got him elected?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:43 PM
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38. Ain't that the truth?!!!
:grr: :mad: :nuke: :banghead: :argh:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:07 PM
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9. They had to dig up Alan Simpson! For crying out loud, they should be ashamed of themselves. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:42 AM
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24. The choice of that man infuriates me. We know where this is going.
He has been clear on his contempt for the senior safety nets.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:36 PM
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10. WTFO was Obama thinking when he appointed that asshole? n/t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:40 PM
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13. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. I hope I'm wrong. nt
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:21 PM
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18. I have absolutely no doubt he knew exactly what he was doing.
He's not a stupid man. In fact, he's probably one of the most intelligent Presidents we've ever had, and that's what makes this selection even more egregious.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:44 PM
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39. You're not wrong.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:36 PM
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11. Simpson to Cavuto: "we can let blood and bitch and moan about everything."
"CAVUTO: But — because the argument has been, from Pete Peterson and all these others, as you know, sir, that we have got to do a combination of both, and that things are so bad now that, if we don’t do both, we’re going to be in a heap of trouble. I just was curious whether you agreed with that.

SIMPSON: I’m not going to agree with that. I’m going to say that we have got stuff to do with spending cuts. We have got stuff to do with everything.

The big meat of this horrible Gargantuan that’s eating it up is health care. Wait until we get back into that and have the doctors and the lawyers. Let me tell you again what we’re trying to do. And if we can’t get there, then I’m not going to stick around. I will go home and I won’t suck my thumb. I will just forget it.

We’re trying to get 18 good people together and decide where we are, and say to the American people, there’s we are. Now here’s where we’re going to go. Then we can let blood and bitch and moan about everything.

But, right now, it would be a great service to the United States of America if people would say, let’s agree on where we are. Where we go to get out of this is a terribly, terribly difficult, hostile, angry situation."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591603,00.html

You are so right, Alan Simpson. A terribly difficult hostile angry situation....and you ain't seen nothing yet.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:42 PM
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14. +1000 nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:45 PM
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16. The destruction of education is bad enough, but this is too much
for me to take in.

That commission is stacked with privatizers, and we are supposed to ignore it.

I can't do that anymore.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:06 PM
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17. The rate at which public programs that benefit real people in real need are being destroyed
is breathtaking. Weirdly, it seems to be accelerating since we put the Democrats in power. They are not even bothering to hide it, anymore. What the hell do they know that we don't know?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:08 PM
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21. Some of us have been saying this, been ignored, shouting it, been slapped down....
I just really don't give a shit anymore.

It looks like I may very well be cut off from disability, along with how many other thousands of people, and what I know is that very few folks here will even give a shit.

All the posturing, all the cheerleading..... and human life means very little.

I just don't really care about much of anything right now. Facing your own demise at the hands of your "fellow man" does that to a person.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:08 AM
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25. I'm so sorry. I need to be on disability but I don't have the damned energy to fight for it. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:57 PM
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47. My Congressman, Xavier Becerra is serving on this Commission.
Here are his remarks at the beginning of the sessions. This will give you some hope:

http://becerra.house.gov/images/stories/podcast/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform.mp3

Xavier Becerra is one of the best members of Congress. I'm proud to be one of his constituents. He is a Stanford grad and assistant to Nancy Pelosi (not sure what the title of his position in the House is).
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:44 PM
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15. I am so DAMNED FUCKING GLAD we elected a DEM for President of the United States.
:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:53 PM
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20. Indeed. eom
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:42 AM
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29. Hoping for change isn't working.
Maybe actually changing something will.
:applause:

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:20 PM
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43. LOL indeed. Maybe we should change our hopes instead ;-)
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:11 AM
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32. + 1 million -- it makes it glaringly obvious that there's really no difference
from the repukes -- we've been screwed to the max -- and we came willingly to our own slaughter.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:46 PM
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40. DEM my ass! He's definitely NOT!
:grr:
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:23 PM
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44. Yes, he is a Dem.
Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:30 PM by liberation
FDR was actually an exception, not a norm in the Dem party. In the same sense Teddy Roosevelt was for the GOP. Ike only redeemed himself as he was leaving the White House, way too late. But the point is that every great politician, regardless of party affiliation, has been an exception in their respective political parties... exceptions used by the norm in each organization to justify their "pedigree." Even thought they (the norm) are antithetical to the exceptions they use for marketing purposes. This is not unique to political parties, religious organizations come to mind as employing a similar MO.

That is what a lot of people have trouble grasping, and one of the reasons why the whole "evil of two lessers" charade has been allowed to go on in our political system for the better part of over half a century. And before that, our political system was dysfunctional in all sorts of other ways.


The only time a real alternative has been presented by the Dems other than FDR was with McGovern, and the Dem establishment themselves did all they could to sink his candidacy and make sure the "mistake" was never repeated again.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:44 PM
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51. Then there are those progressive Dems who don't survive long enough to affect real change.
They should not be forgotten.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:56 PM
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54. You're right. He's NOT a great politician.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:47 PM
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22. Some of the rich GOPers in the USA have already kicked the middle class to the curb. We
will not have to worry about the effects of no universality of programs like medicare and SS on their personal relationship with the middle class in the USA. They have already estranged themselves.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:49 PM
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23. knr
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:11 AM
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26. Ask Mr. Simpson if he's willing to give up his SS AND his Gov't pension
as well as that of his wife the former Sen. Nancy Kassenbaum. We'll see who's squealing like a pig then! :grr:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:30 AM
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34. Imagine the $$$$$ that are coming into the Simpson home just with govt pensions and Social
Security.

I am sure Mr Simpson is very well to do just based on these government retirement earnings alone.

He is planning to give any of it up? I doubt it.


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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:15 AM
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27. This is simply horrifying.

People need to wake up.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:42 AM
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28. The Only Sucking Going On...
...is Our Lamest Generation sucking out the marrow of Our Greatest, yet again.

Alan Simpleton's grandchildren may well end up the serfdom of the Torturing Avaristocracy that is his (and the rest of the DC-Ds & R's, Banksters', and Euphemedia's) legacy to them.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:50 AM
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31. Talk about kabuki.
What the heck did you just say?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:47 AM
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30. Alan Simpson has always been a mean mouthed, grandstanding
asshole. Now how do we contact that old fart?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:16 AM
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33. Pete Peterson's "anti-entitlement juggernaut" ....
gets fueled up by Obama.

From Ridgeway at Mother Jones:

Pete Peterson's Anti-Entitlement Juggernaut

"When Obama’s new Deficit Commission gets going, it has plans for "partnering“--in the words of executive director Bruce Reed--with outside groups. Among them will be the foundation run by Wall Street billionaire Peter G. Peterson, who on today is upstaging the president with his own fiscal summit in Washington. Obama insists he is keeping an open mind about how to deal with the deficit and national debt--but he’s already stacked his own commission with people who lean heavily toward one particular solution: cutting entitlements for the old, the sick, the disabled, and the poor. And if that wasn't enough, he now looks to be working hand-in-glove with a wealthy private organization whose central purpose is to cut Social Security and Medicare. Talk about foregone conclusions.

The White House set the stage two months ago when it created the euphemistically named National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform--commonly called the Deficit Commission or the Debt Panel. The commission's anti-entitlement bent was clear from the get-go based on Obama’s choice of Alan Simpson to co-chair the commission. The former Republican senator from Wyoming has already described his mission as “saving” the United States from “insolvency” by hacking away at entitlements. His longstanding dedication to cutting entitlements dates back several decades, according to Saul Friedman, and "as recently as 2005, Simpson, a conservative from Wyoming who left the Senate in 1997, supported attempts by President George Bush to privatize Social Security by turning part of the pension and insurance program into millions of individual investment accounts, which by now would have lost 20 percent of their value." And even now, "Simpson, who should know better, conflates or deliberately confuses Social Security’s long term fiscal problems, which are minor, with its supposed contribution to the federal deficit, which is almost nil."

..."But Simpson's power as chair of the presidential Deficit Commission pales in comparison to that of billionaire anti-entitlement crusader Pete Peterson. According to Forbes, Peterson was the 149th richest man in America last year, with $2.8 billion in assets. During his long career he has been, among other things, CEO of Bell & Howell, head of Lehman Brothers, a co-founder of the Blackstone Group, and head of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was Nixon’s Secretary of Commerce, and in 1994 served on a Clinton bipartisan commission on entitlements and tax reform. He launched his own Peter G. Peterson Foundation with a grant of $1 billion."

And yet when I posted Greider's words about Peterson's propaganda I was called loony left.

"Obama's initiative rests on two falsehoods spread by Peterson's propaganda—the notion that Social Security somehow contributes to the swollen federal deficits and that cutting benefits will address this problem. Obama and his advisers do not say this in so many words, but their rhetoric implies that Social Security is a big source of the deficit problem. Major media promote the same falsehoods. Here is what the media don't tell you: Social Security has accumulated a massive surplus—$2.5 trillion now, rising to $4.3 trillion by 2023. This vast wealth was collected over many years from workers under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) to pay in advance for baby boom retirements. The money will cover all benefits until the 2040s—unless Congress double-crosses workers by changing the rules. This nest egg does not belong to the government; it belongs to the people who paid for it. FICA is not a tax but involuntary savings."

They plan to use this propaganda to harm seniors when it is not necessary.

They have no intention of listening to us...just like they have no intention of listening to us about privatizing schools.

The agenda is set.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:43 AM
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35. The problem begins with BIPARTISAN COMMISSION.
Just why in the hell we need a bipartisan commission to fix the problems that were created by Republicans opposition to real tax reform is just another blunder by President Obama. His let's get along philosophy that he is desperately clinging to has only allowed the Republicans shove it straight up his ass. What is needed is a 70% income tax on wealth and inheritance taxes that get back the money these bastards stole. Social Security can be made solvent by making the wealthy, that he is referring to, paying in the same percentage of their earning that the working class are now contributing. I would make the inheritance tax a real death tax; the death of the plutocracy that now owns the country lock, stock and barrel. Death to the Plutocracy that the Founding Fathers feared would be the greatest threat to the Republic.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:13 AM
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36. And....is it even bipartisan when most of the commission is willing to privatize.
I would call that a stacked deck...stacked against the elderly.

"http://www.alternet.org/story/146183/obama_packs_debt_commission_with_social_security_looters?page=entire

"fter the defeat of the Conrad-Gregg commission, groups defending Social Security had little time to rejoice before Obama resuscitated the plan, creating the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform by executive order. While the Commission's proposals will not be limited to an up or down vote in Congress, it's otherwise exactly as Conrad-Gregg envisioned, and Pelosi and Reid have promised to put them to a vote before the end of the current session of Congress.

Obama's deficit commission is actually much older than Conrad-Gregg. Its history as a vehicle for reforming Social Security goes back to 1981, when it was given life under President Ronald Reagan as the Greenspan Commission (guess who chaired it). The commission's first act was to raise Social Security payroll taxes across the board and lower benefits via changes to cost of living adjustments. Bill Clinton revived the commission many times during the '90s, each time with a slightly new name and slightly new members, always stacked to recommend partial privatization, which critics on the left mocked as "a solution in search of a problem." But Clinton thought it politically risky to proceed with its recommendations on his own, and in a little-known chapter to that story, his chief of staff, Erskine Bowles, helped negotiate a secret pact with Newt Gingrich in late 1997 to unite behind the commission's proposals to raise the Social Security retirement age and begin privatization.

The pact collapsed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke just days before Clinton was set to announce it. George W. Bush quickly reconstituted the commission in 2001 and adopted its core proposal – Social Security privatization – as the centerpiece to his second-term agenda in 2005. The developing quagmire in Iraq and Bush’s consequent unpopularity gave Democrats, with public outcry behind them, the confidence to unite against it, even though Democratic leaders had supported similar measures in the '90s, and the plan was soon declared dead.

Obama Stacks the Deck

The seasoned networks of money and influence behind the commission's apparent immortality, including "Washington's leading think tanks, the prestige media, tax-exempt foundations, skillful propagandists posing as economic experts and a self-righteous billionaire spending his fortune to save the nation from the elderly," have been outlined by noted economic journalist William Greider, among others. What's received comparatively little attention so far, however, is the composition of Obama's picks for the commission, what interests they represent, and what that reveals about the White House’s own strategy."
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:33 PM
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45. Bipartisan, according to Carlin, means that a bigger than usual scam is taking place
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 08:49 PM
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55. +1000 nt
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:35 PM
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37. How 'bout we cut funding for 2 useless wars, cut the "defense" department's
budget in half, and raise taxes on the top 5%. Then maybe the rest of us (including many in foreign lands) could gain a small amount of security.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 12:52 PM
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41. A relevant commentary by Prof. Paul Krugman
This was recently posted in DU. Professor Paul Krugman calls BS on most of the 'Deficit Hawk' rhetoric:

That said, we do have a long-run budget problem. But what’s the root of that problem? “We demand more than we’re willing to pay for,” is the usual line. Yet that line is deeply misleading.

First of all, who is this “we” of whom people speak? Bear in mind that the drive to cut taxes largely benefited a small minority of Americans: 39 percent of the benefits of making the Bush tax cuts permanent would go to the richest 1 percent of the population.

And bear in mind, also, that taxes have lagged behind spending partly thanks to a deliberate political strategy, that of “starve the beast”: conservatives have deliberately deprived the government of revenue in an attempt to force the spending cuts they now insist are necessary.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:53 PM
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42. China is not "waiting patiently for us to expire under the debt."
Of all the clowns and morons Obama has appointed, this guy may take the cake.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:42 PM
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46. Sacrificing our education, our children, our elderly, our very prosperity on the altar of war
Our government is now grabbing what it can with both hands from the pockets of the poor, working and middle class in order to give ever more money to the wealthy and elite.

However as we continue down this path, people will come to a point when they just don't care anymore, and that is when revolutions happen.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 03:34 PM
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48. Well, this IS "Change"...
Not even the Bushbots dared talk about our senior citizens so arrogantly and to such an extent as far as I can recall.
At least publicly.

As for 'Hope'... ugh.
Seems the only ones who's hopes are high are banksters, CEO/CFO's, Wall Street rats (reforms didn't go near far enough IMO), war profiteers, corporatists in general, companys who outsource their labor &/or offshore their former U.S. corporations so as not to pay their just due of taxes

and of course the DLC.

Obama seems unable, even though millions give him pertinent information if not outright warn him, to realize that a viper's poison actually is deadly and the creature will bite one right in the butt given half the opportunity.

--not until it actually happens to him personally that is, and even then he'll hem & haw.

Drilling for one and it appears care for our seniors for another are just a couple invitations to come inject some potent venorm.
Heck, most of even our Democratic politicians seem to drop their drawers and back up to stick their bare asses right into the viper's cage for goddess' sake!
What is wrong with them?!

Do Democrats like to be viewed as mentally challeneged or do they have a fetish to display their --parallel to Repuke's never-ending "No"-- political suicide?


Along with oil spills that's not all, FAR from it!
For the most part here I AM talking about offshore drilling ("Fungible" oil!) and the country's deliberately untrammeled oil dependency, coupled with its brush-off of green energy.
Absolutely I say brush-off, for if they took it seriously we'd see not avocation of drilling or building new nuclear plants or *cough* "Clean coal";

you'd see wind farms, you'd see solar panels everywhere (even mandatory -- and FUCK the jerks who'd cry "Socialism" -- when they get their bills, rather no bills at all, I'll bet you wouldn't hear one fucking peep!)
especially on every government building;

you'd see renewable-fuel, such as corn & pellet burners for home heating and not multiple commercials a day with "Americans" touting "American" natural gas
which, among other negatives, poisons well water, many of which have been already shut down and whose drilling can even pollute entire watersheds, depleted as they are;

you'd see bio-diesel fuel, you'd commonly see solar and hydrogen cars (the latter's exhaust: H2O!);
and you'd see a lot more technology towards natural, renewable, non-polluting forms of energy.

And why doesn't Obama release the secret list of energy --fossil fuels only, of course!-- moguls who met with Cheney? I don't believe even that information can be hidden from the POTUS, even if not documented there are many people who know. Given the right assurance/reinforcements I'm sure there would be at least some "whistle-blowers".
Why? 'Let's look forward! Forget the past!'? To hell with THAT!
What's the adage? "Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it"?
If you're not even allowed to knowyour history, HOW can you learn from it?


Seriously, :wtf:?

Is ones vaunted, innate intelligence automatically disconnected when lobbyists throw loads of cash at them
or perhaps when right-wingers who will never, ever vote for them chant their stupid slogans such as 'Drill baby drill'?

And I'm not ranting just about the lack of care & respect towards our cherished elders nor pollution -- most importantly I'm talking about Global Warming.

Who the fuck cares if it's man-made or not?! No matter the origin, it's here, it's happening (even not in to we humans geologic time, but in a relatively 'gradual' way) and very well may be the end of humanity as we know it if not extinction entirely, along with most of the world's other creatures.

Although, looking at the "care" humanity has tended towards our planet's wellness, that may be the best thing for it

and boy, I hate to say that. We can't seem to stop talking about how Smart we are while destruction, deliberately caused, crashes down on us.

Yeah. Real fucking smart.

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:32 PM
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49. This disabled veteran geezer
says cut defense spending in half.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:48 PM
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52. K&R
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:48 PM
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53. OBAMA = CORPORATIST
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:39 PM
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56. +
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:19 AM
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57. One of the first things O did, was tell the old people, that they'd get no COLA for at least 2 years
so why are we surprised...??? SS is NOT an entitlement program...it is a self funded trust, that the Gov't has robbed blind year after year to pay for special projects they can't pay for any other way...it should never have been touched...So...how about we vote to take away his retirement?...I know lots of older folks who barely make it from month to month...and I know a lot of them on SS who help support g.kids...I don't know who he's stereo typing, but it isn't me, or anyone I know on SS..driving a lexus, and living in a gated community???? WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!...I drive a 12 yr old mercury and live in a double wide mobile...tar and feather this guy and run him out of town on a rail, please...wb
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:24 AM
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58. The Urban Dictionary should now be forced to define "Bipartisan"
as "bend over and grab your ankles, everybody"!
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