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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:47 AM
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Water & Oil


It's not surprising that there is a fairly wide divide in opinions on this forum, on issues relating to the oil “spill” crisis, and on what – if any – role that President Obama has or should play. Still, I believe that almost everyone here, including those who may enjoy disrupting meaningful discussions, recognizes the dangers this “spill” poses. My own opinion on these matters is probably different enough from others that I offer it in hopes that people can reach a common ground in dismissing it outright.

When President Obama was working to pass what in some ways resembles health care reform, he had to do some wheeling and dealing. He had to come to some compromise agreements with both republican and democratic politicians. In a very real sense, he used tactics that defined LBJ's style of politics. The most significant compromise that Obama made was in the area of energy resource production. An example of this is his policy on off-shore drilling.

It's not a coincidence that Obama and LBJ share similar consequences, for when one compromises with the Machine, one is placed in a compromised position. In the United States today, and indeed in all of “western” society, that Machine runs on oil. And as with virtually all man-made machines, there are parts that break down, malfunction, or simply wear out. For that is the nature of machines.

What can President Obama do now? What can the “experts” do today? I'm reminded of the decades that I spent working on a local toxic waste dump site, which the EPA had deemed to be two “Super Fund” sites. For many years, I labored under the assumption that the industry and the government had “experts” that actually knew how to clean the site up. In time, I came to recognize that behind the hundreds of thousands of pages of reports they produced, they really didn't know. They didn't have the knowledge or the technical abilities that would allow them to clean the site. Instead, they simply produced, without any exaggeration, hundreds of thousands of pages of reports over a period of decades.

Certainly, our society is not going to change its relationship with oil and similar sources of energy overnight. It's not going to happen for many reasons, not the least of which is that the Machine runs on oil. Oil has more juice in Washington, DC, than does any politician ….or, in fact, any group of politicians. Sad, but true.

In the area where I live, the largest contributor to the 130-plus acre toxic waste site was part of the military-industrial complex. Shocking, I know. They dumped, among many other things, thousands and thousands of barrels of “waste products” – PCB-contaminated oil and TCE – into an area that supplies NYC with water. Much of that waste was literally poured into a water reservoir. Brilliant way to get rid of it, eh? But machines do not think.

I learned that the government and industry (which combine to become the Machine) designate those places such as the neighborhood this Super Fund Site is located as “waste areas.” They believe that it is necessary to sacrifice some places that human beings and other living inhabit was waste areas. That is the nature of machines, even before parts malfunction.

We have several options, which tend to seem limited. We can continue to trust in the Machine, and invest our time and energy into re-electing politicians who continue to dance for industry. We can throw up our hands and lunches, and say that we are all doomed. Or we might recognize that both of those options are foolish, and put our heads together to try to find another way.

I do not pretend to have all the answers, much less The Answer. I know that people in our area told me that it was dangerous to press the government to follow the law, and force the industries that created the 130-plus acre toxic waste dump site to clean and contain the damage to the best of their ability, and to pay for families to move away from the land and water that was poisoning them. They were afraid that the industries would leave the communities around here high and dry. And, indeed, they might.

Yet, while we cannot possibly go back to a time before those industries were here, and poisoned the natural world, we can all take steps to move forward in a direction that is more in harmony with nature, and which produces far less toxic wastes. Those small steps are answers that will not come from the plush offices of experts in DC or state capitals. They are the answers that come to us when we are in direct contact with the natural world.

Peace,
H2O Man
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:55 AM
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1. Excellent!
Good Morning Pat!:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:38 AM
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7. Hello, Sister Binka!
Thank you.

And how are you & yours on this fine day?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:58 AM
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2. peace to you H2O Man
k&r
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:40 AM
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8. Thanks.
I'm about to go out onto my pond in the boat that my friend brought over. That should make for a peaceful, relaxing afternoon.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:08 AM
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3. Leave No Machine Behind
While difficult to see now, the disaster in the Gulf may lead to the kind of change you describe and our world needs. We can not survive, as a planet, species and civilization, continuing on the path we are on. We need an enlightened society and an enlightened approach to the future.

For a creative writing class in my college decade, I wrote a short story about the future of Detroit, one where the Machine got rid of its toxic waste by putting the chemicals into fast foods. People loved them because they were co-addictive (Barkobars made people thirsty for Sluggweiser. Sluggweiser made people crave Barkobars.) The story had a bunch of other elements of brainwashing, programming, and societal control that today we can see are commonplace, if not accepted, parts of the times we live in.

"Brilliant way to get rid of it." I stopped writing SF after that. The Machine doesn't need any ideas.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:14 AM
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4. it MUST lead to the change
we have no choice
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:44 AM
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9. On Sunday,
I had the opportunity to hang out with three of my four "kids" while they were doing some landscaping for me. I took advantage of being (relatively) quiet, and listening to citizens ages 12,16, and 23 talk about current events, politics, and possibilities for the future. Then we went out on our pond (a friend brought a small boat for us). I think that the potential for a change in societies' level of consciousness is found largely in the younger generation .... especially when they work in the soil, and play on the water.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:37 PM
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11. I agree with you H20 Man
The younger generation is always the hope for the future...and for fixing what the previous generation got wrong...and for me , the answers always come from spending time in nature....

K&R

:hug:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:23 AM
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5. To really change The Machine one has to change ones world view. The Machine we are dealing with
is very much a product of Reductionist thinking.

Many DU'ers will recommend this thread but fail to grasp the extent their world view is enmeshed with the very Machine they want to reject.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:10 PM
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13. Thank you
for adding that to this OP/thread.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:36 AM
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6. Good to read your post
Obama is not Green, and that says a lot to me.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:30 PM
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10. k i c k
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:02 PM
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12. Stopping the spill is not a BP problem or a LA problem

It isn't even a US problem.

It is a world catastrophe and requires complete and total cooperation not only from BP but also Exxon and every other driller who may have something to contribute.

After the oil is stopped then we can litigate and consider policy.

I for one support the Norwegian model where all of the oil that is extracted out of the North Sea is invested and the benefits are going to last generations.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:50 PM
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14. K & R
:thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:55 AM
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15. Help.
My OPs keep falling, and they can't get up. Maybe they need viagra. Won't you lend a helping hand, so that others can ignore them?

Peace in Mississippi,
H2 Omen
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:40 PM
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20. I will give this a little help

But seriously, if you watch Amy Goodman show, she always gets the great guests with the low-down. YOu can watch her online.

http://www.democracynow.org/
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:26 AM
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16. All politics is local.
It is the same with polluting industries and the local machines as well.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:37 AM
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17. K&R - so I can find this later when I'll time to actually comment.
Love,
sw
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:27 AM
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18. People need to get away from their TVs and get outside

spoken like a true nagging mama, but damn it's true

i would still be heartbroken over the Gulf, but I am moreso because of the times i spent there at St. Andrews camping with my friends and hanging in PC during high school spring break. I can still feel that clean white sand between my toes, hear it squeak a little at that certain time of day - and I think about how nasty that sand is going to be becasue of this and how many children won't get to feel that sand between their toes


get out and soak up nature before the corporations soak it up, is all i'm sayin'

I know it is so hard to make those choices to be sustainable - to recycle, buy local, re-use - when we live in this throwaway culture

but my kids are more aware and responsible than my generation so there is hope, you're right

:kick:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:33 AM
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19. Thumbs up
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:33 PM
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21. K & R
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