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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:15 PM
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Univ. Of Arizona Professor Booed At Graduation For Criticizing Immigration Bill
Univ. Of Arizona Professor Booed At Graduation For Criticizing Immigration Bill
by Jon Bershad

The Arizona Immigration Bill has set off a massive debate around the country, but with much of the media focusing on how places like Los Angeles have reacted, not enough people are asking how the good folks of the Grand Canyon State feel about it.Well, at least one professor at the University of Arizona is unhappy with the bill and she made her opinions clear during a commencement speech at the school's graduation last week.She was greeted with a host of boos and jeers at the time and media scrutiny following it.

The professor, Sandra Soto, began her speech with the typical congratulations inherent in graduation speeches. However, the words turned angry and the audience turned ugly when she moved her way to current events and the Immigration Bill . . . .

Megyn Kelly took on the story today on Fox where she firmly believed that a commencement speech should “only be about the grads.” That seems like a bit of an overstatement since most speakers are expected to talk about themselves (their lives, successes, failures, lessons, and beliefs) for the benefit of the graduates. Whether or not giving your opinion on a controversial political situation falls under that is up for debate. I’m loathe to give my opinion since I graduated last year and all of the speeches then were about the recession and how my class was going to end up homeless or like characters in a Steinbeck novel.

Videos of speech segment and Megyn Kelly's report on The Lupus of News:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/univ-of-arizona-professor-booed-at-graduation-for-criticizing-immigration-bill/
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:17 PM
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1. Hey, most commencement speakers are politicians...what they say
is gonna be political...and as for those grads that booed, well, fuck them.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:36 PM
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5. I know, right?
Poor babies.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:27 PM
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2. It's just more bullying anti-intellectualism from the baggers
They can't even listen to someone else respectfully at a fucking graduation ceremony. It's like people have become proud of having bad manners.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:33 PM
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3. Them's my empty headed, shot swilling, tea baggin' college graduATES! n/t
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:35 PM
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4. Hardly shocked that the citizens who passed the bill
would not enjoy criticism of it, especially during an inappropriate location as a commencement speech.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:37 PM
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6. Fuck 'em.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:48 PM
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8. the citizens didn't "pass" the bill. The fucking state legislature did.
and then the governor signed it. And even if a member of the state legislature were in attendance, he or she should be tough enough to have it criticized in public, especially in a place like a university, which is supposed to be about the civil, dynamic exchange of ideas.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:53 PM
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10. So you're claiming Arizona has unelected legislators...
sorry, i will buy a lot of things, but not that. Or are you arguing that the SB 1070 did not enjoy the support of the residents of Arizona? ahh well cool, we can ignore it then; since those unelected legislators will be tossed out on their ass, so why all the fuss?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:56 PM
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11. Yes, it had the support of many of the residents
but the residents didn't pass the bill--the elected legislators who passed the fucking bill.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:00 PM
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14. I live in AZ and have for 40 years--had it been a referendum, it would have passed handily.
Voter ID and English Only did.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:03 PM
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16. I don't doubt that. My point was that this wasn't a referendum
and the voters didn't pass the law.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:15 PM
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28. We do have an unelected governor
:(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:09 PM
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19. Wait. How is objecting to the abridgment of your 1st Amendment rights
inappropriate? But yelling out "Cut your hair, bitch" is appropriate?

Really?
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:36 PM
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30. That would be inappropriate to
But i suspect you would have little problem with it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:20 PM
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31. I am the one raising the question.
This professor's field of study is being outlawed by a group of Republican nativists. She has every right to speak out at the commencement of the last class that will graduate in that field until the law is overturned, as it will be overturned.

So, I still don't understand why you object to her appropriate objection at the podium and not to the coward that insulted her from the anonymity of the audience.

Can you explain that more clearly? Thank you.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:40 PM
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36. If what you say is not mere hyperbole, i will
join you with the pitchforks and flame. Yet and admittedly i am not an arizonian (you ever been there, to darn hot). But the facts of the matter as i have read, and i do not claim to know it all, is that some study programs are being cut back and ethic studies are not alone in that.

As far as objections, to this day i will insist that commencement speeches are to inspire the students.

As far as teaching in general goes, in one year I acquired more class time then most 5 year people. Working 70 hours a week, 50 in a class room for 51 weeks a year tends to do that.

And i do apologize for the swipe at you, bad day for me, and was not necessary or even deserved.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:44 PM
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37. I've used no hyperbole whatsoever. The law specifically targets ethnic studies
and in the most ignorant way possible.

I've taught college and it's hard to think of anything more depressing than to be taking your degree in a major that has just been declared illegal. And had I been in that teacher's position, I would have felt obligated to speak up on behalf of my field and of my students. That's all.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:19 PM
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38. I would appreciate a link
to the law itself then. we all might learn from it :P
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:32 PM
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40. I believe this is the text of the bill.
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/h.hb2281_03-18-10_houseengrossed.doc.htm

And here is one of the articles that describe it.

Arizona legislature bans ethnic studies programs

ust a week after signing into law the country's toughest immigration bill into law,Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer will soon decide whether to endorse another piece of legislation that outlaws ethnic studies programs in public schools.

The bill forbids Arizona schools from using any curriculum that promotes "the overthrow of the United States government" or "resentment toward a race or class of people." It also disallows any curriculum that's "designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group" or that seeks to "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

Arizona's Superintendent for Public Instruction Tom Horne has said he's backing the measure because ethnic studies programs encourage "ethnic chauvinism"; he's also suggested that such programs could breed secessionist sentiment among Hispanic students.

Republican state Sen. Jack Harper also voted for the bill, saying that certain Hispanic-themed ethnic studies programs are "trying to say that somebody who came to this country illegally is somehow oppressed. That's crazy stuff."

But the legislation's detractors say that, if the bill is signed into law, the state, not the targeted programs, would be promoting a politicized curriculum. Democratic state Sen. Linda Lopez says the bill would target a Mexican-American studies program used in her home district of Tucson. She offered an amendment—which the legislature approved— mandating that Arizona schools adopt curricula that include discussions of genocidal such as the Holocaust., so that such material would not be considered as promoting "ethnic resentment."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100430/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1885_2
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:36 PM
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41. very much appreciated!
I do believe that there are federal laws that also cover these things. On this one they have reached to far, since they outlawing history in and of itself, how do we fight this?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:45 PM
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42. I expect it to be overturned but the ill will in the community
is already done. And that's a shame.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:26 PM
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39. If it is as you state, i will join you in not only being
shocked, but i promise to take as much action as i can against it. My peculiar fancy has taken me to history even though out of 3 degrees (2 real, 1 humanities).

And for 20 years i have taken courses at universities just to keep my mind in at least a presentable condition, i can rant about what they teach as history at a university level later (i mean come on, crimean war in 1 paragraph, including reasons, political fallout,repurcusions's etc? in a history of western civ class?)
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:28 PM
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34. Many graduates and their families are not from Arizona
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:43 PM
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7. Commencement speeches are supposed to
be about the near past, the present and the future of the STUDENTS. Not some narcissist pushing an agenda whether we agree with it or not. At the very least distract the students from their huge debt for 5 minutes.

In the last few decades it has come to the point, that i try to show up at graduations after the speakers have had their say.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:51 PM
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9. So, speaking out against discrimination and hate is now narcissism?
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:56 PM
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12. Hardly, all i am saying that it was an inappropriate venue.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 03:57 PM by Riftaxe
Much like President Obama talking about his first sexual experience during the state of the union. Although i know he is smart enough not to do such a silly thing.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:40 PM
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20. I thought universities were bastions of free speech
The fact is that speeches that touch on the political are given at commencements ALL THE TIME. This is NOT a departure from the norm, at all.

Your "much like" comment is not only "silly," as you admit, it's really inappropriate in the context of this discussion. How disappointing that you were unable to think of a more realistic and appropriate example to make your point. It comes off more as a cheap shot against the President, using this discussion as a pretext.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:52 PM
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23. Boy are YOU naive. Free speech can get you fired or denied tenure now on college campuses.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 06:52 PM by Nikki Stone1
Tenured and fired:

Ward Churchill (they looked for some technicality of broadly defined plagiarism)

Denied tenure:

Norman Finkelstein
http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/finkelstein-denied-tenure/

Francisco Gil-White
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1639

Plus many, many others....


Targets of De-tenuring (taking away a professor's tenure so he/she can be fired later)

Ricardo Dominguez

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-the-de-tenuring-of-ricardo-dominguez
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=78088327683&topic=13736
http://bang.calit2.net/2010/03/bang-lab-edt-update-call-for-accountability-and-the-criminalization-of-research/


http://www.ucsdguardian.org/focus/uncommon-folk/ricardo-dominguez/

Visual-arts professor Ricardo Dominguez is in a tight spot. His tenure at UCSD is currently in jeopardy, because — ironically — he was living up to his reasons for hire.
It all started with the Zapatista Army of National Liberation. Hailing from Chiapas — the southernmost state of Mexico — the Zapatistas are self-proclaimed libertarians who have been living in a declared state of war against Mexico since 1994, using nonviolent avenues like the Internet to spread their message.

As fate would have it, the Zapatistas and Dominguez have a few things in common. In fact, the professor partnered with the group in 1994, leading to his 1998 invention of an online activist tool called Virtual-Sit-In — a modern form of rebellion that, once used to spread rumors about the UC President Mark G. Yudof’s resignation, has raised the eyebrows of the UC higher-ups who might just fire him for it.

The Virtual-Sit-In technology — which allows protesters to flood and potentially take down a Web site — is only one of Dominguez’s peaceful weapons in social activism. Dominguez has started projects all over the country aimed at stirring up controversy in a modern, artistic manner.
Virtual-Sit-Ins use a HTML-based program to target a specific Web site by allowing individuals to sign up to participate. For each individual that joins the protest, the targeted Web site is forced to refresh, drawing in additional traffic, essentially clogging it and preventing use, just as if it were a real location filled with protesters in a real life sit-in. Similar programs, generated by specific programs or computers, can also target Web sites in such a manner, refreshing their servers and forcing, almost like a virus. Additionally, the technology Dominguez developed reveals the individuals participating in the demonstration, their reasons for the protest and how long it will last, giving it far more meaning.

“Electronic civil disobedience allows us to think about the question of art becoming a social manifestation, allows us to think about art allowing communities who do not have access to power to make themselves present, that allows the unbearable weight of human beings to put a stop to the crisis that is around us — especially the juicy crisis of education,” Dominguez said. “It allows us to see that art is an active space in public culture and that it cannot be disregarded.”
Dominguez employed a Virtual-Sit-In on the UC Office of the President Web site on March 4 to allow individuals to protest online for the Day of Action to Defend Public Education....


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/border-220422-people-desert.html?pic=3

http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/pipermail/lnc/2005-February/008201.html

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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:46 PM
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27. The "boo's" were free speech too, I guess
Freedom to speak does not mean people have to listen to what you say, much less like it.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:17 PM
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29. Reading for comprehension is just not your
Edited on Tue May-25-10 08:23 PM by Riftaxe
thing son. Its called an analogy, go wiki that and get back to me. Although it is interesting and hypocritical that you choose to decide what is appropriate and not.

Admittedly some people have decided that commencement speeches are the same as stump speeches, but *gasp* it was not always that way. As a matter of fact the first time i ever heard a pointless political speech replace a commencement address was in the mid '80s.

Because i am sure that ignoring the god damn students whose day it is makes sense in their little minds, and that the day is in essence a celebration of whatever 3rd rate political bravo they can muster up.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:22 PM
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32. It was exactly the right venue. She was talking to grads in the field under attack. n/t
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:58 PM
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13. You must hate lots of commencement addresses
I can't imagine how you reacted to Pres Obama's speech at Notre Dame last year or any by the previous occupant of the WH. They were about politics, among other things. And that's as it should be.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:02 PM
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15. see #7 for more details.
And as i have said, people have forgotten the purpose of commencement addresses at schools. It's not about the speakers, its about the STUDENTS, ya know those people who have successfully gone into huge debt for the hope of a bright future in our bleak economy.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:06 PM
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17. Yeah, my response was TO #7, And you can believe what you want about them
but I'm an academic and I happen to know a good deal about what commencement addresses look like. You don't have to like it, but "political" commencement addresses have been going on for a long time, in no small part because politics shapes students' lives.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:08 PM
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18. I think our only real disagreement
is the intended purpose of a commencement speech, and on that i think we probably not change each others minds, but is a minor thing anyway, have a great day :P
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:25 PM
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33. I didn't realize there were rules the speakers had to follow
Is there a reference somewhere?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:29 PM
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35. Everyone in that state deserves to hear about their terrible bill
at every opportunity.

And I would say that if it were my state.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:01 PM
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21. Megyn, I'd warn you that your face is going to freeze in that sneer,
but I think it's already too late.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:17 PM
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22. Yes, it's too bad. She's a pretty woman, but the ugliness shines through nt
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:18 PM
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24. The utter disrespect in this country against people who fight oppression is staggering.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 07:35 PM by political_Dem
It makes me sad that there are forces within America that are trying to make the upcoming generation more belligerent towards those who speak out against the infringement of human and civil rights.

That booing is a signal why ethnic studies classes are needed.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:35 PM
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25. I'm glad she spoke out.
The more voices, the better
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:37 PM
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26. Me too. n/t
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