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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:21 PM
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NOT JUST BP!!!-CHENEY & His Henchmen REWROTE ALL The Inspection & Permitting Processes!!!
Edited on Wed May-26-10 01:28 PM by kpete
Morning Feature: Interview with FSU Oil Ecosystems Oceanographer

"He says BP is lying about the size of the spill," I said as Richard brought me my coffee.

by TheFatLadySings (Ian is my oldest brother.
According to family lore, he went to school in France as an exchange student at 16.)
Dr. Ian R. MacDonald is a professor of oceanography at Florida State University

Wed May 26, 2010 at 03:59:02 AM PDT

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IAN: "I was looking at satellite images," he answered. "BP was saying 1000 barrels a day were leaking into the Gulf and I knew that this was baloney. I started working with an activist friend named John Amos to analyze the area that was covered by oil. I figured out how thick it had to be based on colors and other characteristics evident from the photos. It is possible to determine thickness from these characteristics. Once I estimated the thickness of the slick, I was able to estimate the volume. At that time, BP and the government were saying 1,000 barrels a day were leaking. John and I estimated between 5,000 and 26,500 barrels were gushing. In retrospect, it might have been a mistake. That's when the Coastguard said 5,000 and they've stuck to it ever since. But then, as we kept examing satelite photos, it was clear it had to be more. So we started telling reporters to ask BP to release the videos and eventually Congressman Markey (D-MA) got the video. For some reason, they thought nobody would be able to analyze it. NOAA accepted BP’s spin and didn’t use the video. But then Steve Wereley from Purdue and Tim Crone from Lamont Douherty (Columbia) were able to rigourously analyze the video using trusted techniques and they came up with 70,000 barrels. There are 42 gallons in a barrel so that comes to 2,940,000 gallons a day. That's one Exxon Valdez every three or four days."

Ian started to get a little hot under the collar.

IAN: "What’s going on here?" he demanded. "This is a classic confrontation between spin and science. You have Don Shuttles an exec from BP, trying to tell us they are leaking 5,000 barrels, even when they were getting 5,000 barrels per day up the pipe. But there are two leaks. We don't really know how much is coming from the second leak. They keep trying to spin this 5,000 barrels per day rate which is obviously wrong. So finally, science is winning out over spin. This spill is historic. We don’t even know how to fix this god-awful mess. How do we stop the bleeding?"

"I don’t understand the administration’s response," I complained.

IAN: "Nobody does," agreed Ian. "It’s this spin versus science thing. They think they can control events by controlling information. Think about how silent Obama has been about this! He's responding as a lawyer."

.............................

IAN: "Dick Cheney and his henchmen rewrote all the inspection and permitting processes. That’s what happened with BP. Their drilling plan was a joke. The Feds really stopped doing their job. One consequence of that was there were a lot of shortcuts taken in the drilling process. BP used a bargain basement blow-out preventer. They did dangerous, stupid things! They pumped all the mud out of the hole and replaced it with drilling water which is an insane thing to do if you don’t know the pressure. There was a big argument on the rig between BP and the rig operator and BP won."

more:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/26/868785/-Morning-Feature:-Interview-with-FSU-Oil-Ecosystems-Oceanographer
http://bpicampus.com/2010/05/26/morning-feature-interview-with-fsu-oil-ecosystems-oceanographer/
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:23 PM
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1. Wow. No wonder he's hiding. nt
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:57 AM
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21. He has been quiet for a long time. I think there is lots of trouble on many fronts for him.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:23 PM
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2. No shocks or surprises here.
nt
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:25 PM
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3. Yup.
That is why I am so curious why I've heard many DUers get upset with those of us who are angry about it. It's the Cheney/Haliburton connection.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:26 PM
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4. LOL...n/t.....whoda thunk it....
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:27 PM
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5. K & R
:thumbsup:
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:27 PM
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6. If Top Kill doesn't work,
maybe they can stuff Darth into the hole with the Junk Shot. He's killed everything else he's ever touched. Maybe he can kill this gusher, too.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:43 PM
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7. K&R+ "A DU collaborative investigation: National Energy Policy Develop[ment Group/NEPDG"
Richard Bruce Cheney was headed to a federal court date in early September 2001 about his secrecy about the NEPDG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x440721
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:24 AM
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8. Will they ever believe it was too expensive to be so unregulated?
Only if we make it expensive.

And FINALLY hang Dick Cheney.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 05:42 AM
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9. k/r
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:26 AM
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10. but, But, BUT.... It's ALL Obama's Fault
Or so I keep reading on DU.


I have been wondering when we would get around to naming and blaming the REAL culprits.


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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:54 AM
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17. No. But his "responding as a lawyer" is. n/t
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:43 AM
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34. Yes, there are several posters here who continue to place the blame on Obama
Edited on Thu May-27-10 12:17 PM by MagickMuffin
I have witnessed enough to know the difference.

NO ONE on this board knows for a fact what is happening behind the scenes. But don't let me stop you, go ahead with your Blame Game. After all it's soooo productive.




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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:26 PM
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39. Hope your head is comfortable in that dark little hole

Yep, Obama has no skin in this - he totally fired every person in MMS, mandated rigorous environmental studies, stopped all permitting of oil rigs, mandated acoustic BOP backups as required during Clinton years, etc.

:sarcasm:

Of course he did exactly the opposite - drill baby drill was his mantra just a few months ago. Shame on him.
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:34 PM
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40. indeed, as he opened up more shores for drilling than any other president ever could!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:43 PM
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41. My head can't fit in the hole because yours is firmly there already
I've never heard his mantra Drill baby drill, I think your confusing him with the GOP.





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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:40 AM
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11. The M$M has nothing to say about
"Big Secret Cheney".

Considering all the rhetoric we hear daily about BP and this fucking oil gusher we never hear a word about Big Secret Dick Cheney. Why is that?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:42 AM
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12. Why didn't THIS Administration set about to correct this corruption?
Was Ken Salazar not up for the task other than a LAME attempt via a Moral Reform Initiative directed toward his MMS department? :eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:43 AM
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13. Why is Cheney not in prison??
Rec
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:01 AM
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20. ah...there you are


on dialup so it's slow finding people

glad you are still safe

wish we could plug that hole with all the world's creeps
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:50 AM
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14. Cheney oily hands are all over this.
bastard!!!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:53 AM
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15. Dayum. And I thought the President
personally blew up that rig and is actively working on making the planet fit to live for his alien overlords. You mean I was wrong?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:54 AM
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16. This now makes Cheney both a war criminal and an ecoterrorist.
And nothing will happen to him. Pour oil down the drain of your house and you'll get a hefty fine. Put the coastline of a country in peril and you get to go duck hunting with your buddies who got rich off oil.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:55 AM
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18. kick so that more will see this


Deregulation!

Give every freedom to corporations while taking away Americans' rights to sue for any damages when those corporations destroy -

as we all knew they would do in their relentless lust for $$$$ and power.

Corporations are nothing more than mafia thugs, gangbangers, death squads.

They go around the world stealing, killing, raping and then spend lots of money on their images so we will buy the products they make with the things they pillage.

Gotta love unfettered capitalism!

Aren't we all doing so much better now under those repuke-conceived rules?

Thank you Darth Cheney!



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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:55 AM
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19. No surprise there......




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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:40 AM
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22. Kicked and
Recommended.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:43 AM
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23. Why isn't Cheney in prison?
Please tell me.

19,000 barrels a day - Damn!!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:01 AM
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31. same reason why other republican are never heald liable
they represent the uber rich and corporate interests, the same power that pretty much dictates what our government will and won't do. Cheney is one more fascist lackey... he'll never be held accountable because this country has no balls, virtues or honor anymore. I hate to say that but if we truly do have all those things, he better go to jail.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:43 AM
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24. Where is the outspoken evil one and his fact challenged daughter lately? Thought they
were glomming for media attention. Issue an arrest and don't forget to check the underground bunkers.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:54 AM
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25. I believe he's gone to his undisclosed hidey-hole.

Can't have those pesky reporters asking inconvenient questions, 'ya know.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:57 AM
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26. K&R nt
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:58 AM
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27. who didn't see this coming. really. n/t
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:02 AM
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28. What I'm interested in seeing is how he's going to get the media to spin this as Obama's fault
Edited on Thu May-27-10 10:02 AM by Lone_Star_Dem
Because you know that's how this one is going to have to read to keep Cheney and his insanely wealthy and powerful cronies names out of it. Somehow they'll have to push this off on the current administration and keep the masses dizzy and confused. Spin baby, spin.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:19 AM
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29. Will Cheney become our new Osama? nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:25 AM
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30. K & R nt
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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:05 AM
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32. Is it not time yet
for Cheney's filthy apologist daughter to show up and blame Obama for everything?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:24 AM
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33. I'm not surprised. n/t
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:52 AM
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35. AS KING OF THE TEABAGGERS I WANT GOVERNMENT OUT OF THIS.... lol
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:27 PM
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36. kick
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:20 PM
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37. THEY ARE DEFRAUDING THE US GOVERNMENT. They must pay by the barrel for oil removed through their
well. If they understate this, they are defrauding the US out of oil revenues. First you must pay for the oil, BP. Then you must pay for what you allowed to happen to it, and the harm that will be doing, until the harm has stopped and been repaired..

Politicians who don't ensure that zero Americans are financially disadvantaged by BP's greedy and negligent action, and that those responsible are brought to justice, will be replaced.

We are told to look to the future, by the Change=Same guy, while he blissfully ignores all the root causes for our problems. We've got wheels falling off, and the motor's sputtering, but he thinks it just needs to be steered a little to the right and everything will work out. It isn't chess, he's playing, it's Sorry.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:26 PM
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38. How come we STILL haven't seen who was at that meeting/minutes-That has made up our energy policy?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 12:28 AM
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42. interesting that we haven't heard anything
from him or his daughter.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 12:33 AM
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43. I know and that's why every company operating in the Gulf should be forced
to demonstrate that they can execute their plans to stop a gusher and clean it up by doing a live preparedness test.

FIRE DRILL BITCHES!!!!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 02:07 PM
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44. This is another wonderful thread my friend, it needs kicking today
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 02:16 PM
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45. congress needs to grill this motherhumping son of a bitch
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 02:23 PM
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46. Too late for that, all power to the people (like our Constitution states)
n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 10:54 AM
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47. kick
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