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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:21 AM
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36 POINTS!
That's the advantage Democrats now have over Republicans with the Latino vote. It was just 22 points six years ago.


<http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/26/2328967.aspx>


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68% of Latinos approve of Obama’s job (compared with 48% of overall respondents and 38% of whites), and they view the Democratic Party favorably by a 54%-21% score (versus 41%-40% among all adults and 34%-48% among whites).


And their views of the Republican Party? In the poll, the GOP fav/unfav among Latinos is 22%-44%.


What’s more, Latinos think Democrats would do a better job than Republicans in protecting the interests of minorities (by 58%-11%), in representing the opportunity to move up the economic ladder (46%-20%), in dealing with immigration (37%-12%), and in promoting strong moral values (33%-23%).


The only advantage they gave Republicans was in enforcing security along the border (31%-20%). And Latinos remain a sleeping -- yet growing -- political giant: 23% of them aren’t registered voters (compared with 12% of whites and 16% of blacks).



If this is a long game, Obama's got this.




<http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/05/36-points.html>
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chillspike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:25 AM
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1. Conservatives will just keep alienating groups
They don't get along with anybody, not even themselves.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:08 AM
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8. Won't it be interesting by the middle of this century when whites become the minority here.
The GOP trades short term political gains with their base for long term party extinction.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:26 AM
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2. Republicans are doing all they can to help us. nt
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:29 AM
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4. Someone from the DNC should send Karl Rove & company a fruit basket of appreciation.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:29 AM
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3. Banksters + Oilmageddon make Corporate ROYALTY as obvious as the nose on your face.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:37 AM
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5. Yeah, but it's too bad because....
...they own all the voting machines.

Last fall, ES&S quietly purchased Diebold, giving them 80% of the market for electronic voting machings. And it's not just the un-auditable vote-counting; they now also own polling place check-in software (electronic pollbooks), voter registration software and vote-by-mail authentication software.

http://www.benalexandra.com/cool_stuff/diebold_ess.htm

This link has very scary information, all with appropriate citations, regarding what could easily be a mass-manipulation of our elections.



When you buy a pack of gum, you get a receipt. Why is there no receipt/audit trail on our votes? I can only think of one reason.

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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:59 AM
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6. You may be right but that doesn't mean we should just lay down and give them
Edited on Thu May-27-10 09:00 AM by Segami
clear sailing to continue fudging the voting books. If the corruption were so stacked against fair voting practices by republican operatives, then why wasn't John McCain elected? I would think that the PTB would have pulled every trick in the book to avert an Obama win.



from BlackBoxVoting:



SOLUTIONS:


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We may have just discovered Einstein's theory of democracy:


We the People = Us. Download the Black Box Voting Citizens Tool Kit. It contains 20 modules, each just a few pages, bullet points. Pick any module that interests you. Choose one action and see it to its completion.

There is no bill, legislation, public official or citizen leader who can keep elections fair and honest. Citizens are the missing ingredient.

View elections oversight as a fundamental civil right -- one to guard carefully and fight for when necessary. Civil rights are not a good place for compromises. Insist upon the fundamental civil right to oversee our own elections, fight for this, do what's needed to restore election oversight rights when they are taken away.



<http://www.blackboxvoting.org/presskit.html#solutions>
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:04 AM
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7. How much do you think Obama had to really win by...
...for the result we got? Twenty million? Thirty? The Republicans underestimated support for Obama and lack thereof for McCain/Palin, and 'failed' to rig the electronic voting machines 'enough'. Bet they don't make that mistake again.

They've already been caught registering voters who thought they were just signing petitions. Getting total registered voter numbers higher gives them more room to fudge.

This is one conspiracy theory that MUST be pursued until the American people can trust the election process.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:37 AM
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10. I am not disagreeing with your postion and support the need for voting paper receipts.
Edited on Thu May-27-10 09:40 AM by Segami
Electronic systems can be easily hacked as its been shown before. Why can't we employ a system where we can easily fill out our voting choices such as lottery sheets and print out a receipt of our VOTING CHOICES printed in TWO PERFORATED TICKET PARTS thats clearly marked or color-coded as to which ticket receipt needs to be dropped into the voting box retaining the other part as your own copy. Voting box tickets can then be loaded into a hopper and scanned like banks do with paper currency. Each ticket will have its own unique tracking Bar Code. The infrastructure exists today. We have lottery terminals saturated throughout the country.
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:49 AM
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11. For reasons having to do with corruption and vote buying
It is probably not desirable to have printed voting records that are associated with any individual person. The best solution IMO, if we must use electronic voting machines, is to have those machines print out a paper optical ballot of the type already used, so that the voter can verify the selections are correct, then insert the paper ballot into the optical scanning machine. This provides electronic tabulation, voter verification, and a paper trail.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:02 AM
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12. You and Sagami are both right...
...there are several ways to create an practical audit trail, but the corporation that makes the machines chooses not to do so. That's very troubling. If I had this responsibility, I would put voter confidence as the top indicator of success.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:02 AM
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13. None of the printed tickets would be associated with any individual person.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:23 AM
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17. You could have a system ...
... that was trackable on an individual basis. Enter your SSN and password to see your vote in the data base. Then each American could verify that his/her vote was properly counted. This would be incredibly simple to do for any reasonably competent data base analyst.
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:30 AM
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18. My point is you wouldn't want that kind of system
It's too easy to abuse. The secret ballot has a long history and a database like that essentially destroys that secrecy.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:09 AM
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9. If minority voters would just turn out and vote in heavy numbers
black, brown, yellow, you name it--Dems would win virtually every election. They have the power. The white racist vote in this country is dwindling. A coalition of progressive whites and minorities could make a difference.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:03 AM
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14. Not if I rig the voting machines !!!!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:07 AM
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15. If YOU rig them, the GOP loses
:evilgrin:
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:20 AM
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16. GOP lose, big corps lose, American people win
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:39 AM
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19. I can live with that :)
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