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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:48 PM
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Topkill has failed to stop flow of oil
Animated gif showing leak progress at BOP.

http://j.imagehost.org/view/0707/compare2

top image 3:45pm Wednesday
bottom image 6:35am Thursday(today)

Angles are slightly different. Color difference may be due to lighting on ROV.

Live Feed showing same view:
http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:46245.asx?bkup=46260
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:49 PM
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1. Based on my interpretation, the BOP is on fire.
Look at all that smoke.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:54 PM
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7. Your interpretation is obviously wrong
Edited on Thu May-27-10 12:56 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
It's plain to see it's spewing chocolate and caramel.


















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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:55 PM
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11. You're just a shill for Hershey's.
I can tell it's smoke from comparison to all this crack I'm smoking.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:56 PM
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12. PEAK CHOCOLATE!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:59 PM
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15. Therein lies your problem
If you were smoking meth instead you'd plainly see how the Top Kill failed and they've struck a mother load of Ben and Jerry's Karamel Sutra.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:31 PM
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37. OH SHIT!!!11!!!
YOU'RE SERIES!!!!11!one!!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:50 PM
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2. That's mud n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:55 PM
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9. Looks like mud
Remember, they have to keep the pressure of mud flowing into the BOP. You let off the flow and oil comes back. Once the oil has been held back by the mud, then they fill the pipe with cement and then they turn off the mud.


It will be sometime before the mud is no longer needed.

But it does look like mud flowing.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:09 PM
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41. Two colors there
On the left and right, clearly mud. In the middle looks like mud and oil.

Gawd, I hope this thing turns a nice yellow color. I like yellow. It is now my favorite color.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:50 PM
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3. I think you're right n/t
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:50 PM
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4. Lets hope thats not the case
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:52 PM
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5. That is mud
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:14 PM
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29. The "mud" looks prettty damn dark to me.
At least the middle plume does. But I'm not an expert. I hope to God this has at least slowed the amount of oil getting into the ocean -- every little bit helps some.... it's at least progress.

I'll wait until we hear more from experts from rushing to conclusions, but if nothing else at least there was some time when all that was getting into the water was mud. Even a few hours is better than nothing.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:31 PM
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36. Drilling "mud" isn't mud like you have in your backyard.
Edited on Thu May-27-10 02:01 PM by Statistical
Today much of it is synthetic compounds mixed with specific types of clay to form a very dense liquid.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 05:06 PM
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48. Your mud looks just like this oil
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:54 PM
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6. You have credentials in this field?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:27 PM
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32. No, but s/he stayed at a Holiday Inn last night ~ n/t
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NM_hemilover Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:16 PM
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43. LOL
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:55 PM
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8. Hopefully, but not yet.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:55 PM
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10. Please don't post shit like this. n/t
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profgoose Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:58 PM
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40. Threads with the Engineers and Geologists of The Oil Drum
latest "live" thread with insights and pics from the engineers and geologists: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6515

Relevant links to top kill procedure (scroll to comments in each, they're very good.)

Deepwater Oil Spill - Permissions and Concerns about Top Kill
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6513

Deep Water Spill - Waiting for Top Kill (more updated tech)
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6509

The Gulf Deepwater Oil Spill - the Top Kill Attempt (the technical aspect of what just happened)
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6505

The Gulf Deepwater Oil Spill, barriers, flow rates, and top kill
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6501

We hope you find this information useful.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:34 PM
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44. Thanks for those links ~
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:57 PM
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13. You are looking at "mud".
Totally expected to happen. Keep your fingers crossed!
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:00 PM
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17. may 16th
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:01 PM
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19. Right now..
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:04 PM
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21. Go here.
Learn all about it. Informed info from roughnecks and engineers:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6505
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:57 PM
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14. It's brown
Looks like the color of drilling fluid to me.

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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:07 PM
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24. Indeed.
I've had the pleasure of mixing that stuff on a drilling rig (not an oil rig, laying fiber optics).

It's mud.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:09 PM
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25. Tell me something about drilling fluid if you can - Is it dense enough to float steel parts?
Any idea what it's specific gravity is?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:14 PM
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28. I don't know.
I was a drone, humping sacks of bentonite to the mud platform and dumping it into the mixer.

You might find some more info over at The Oil Drum site. There has been some detailed discussion about the properties of the mud they're using.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6505
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:16 PM
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31. I used to know a chemist that developed the stuff.
His was lignin based. Very unusal, non-newtonian fluid. Kind of like oobleck, if you ever played with that.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:29 PM
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34. Lots of different types of drilling "mud" more correctly drilling fluid.
All depends on the particular physical properties needed.

It is pretty dense stuff but no idea if it is dense enough to float steel.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:48 PM
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39. I bet it's not as dense as me.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:38 PM
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64. The oceans are dense enough to float steel ships. n/t
n/t
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:59 PM
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16. MAY 16th BOP pic for color comparison - NOT MUD
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:03 PM
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20. Do you honestly think you are qualified to make this type of analysis?
What other things do you give expert opinions on which you aren't qualified to do?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:08 PM
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45. You cannot do color comparisons like this ...

If you'll wander on over to the Oil Drum and read through the threads there in which actual experts are discussing these things, you will find information about the difficulty of doing such subtle color analysis. You have to know a lot of things about the conditions at the precise moment the photos are taken, where the light sources are, how many other objects with reflective surfaces are in the area, how much and what kind of matter is in the water through which the light is being filtered, etc. ...

We do not know yet if this will ultimately be successful, but your analysis is without a sound basis and in fact hinges on the *worst* method of forming a judgment.

The only people who really know specifically what is coming up out of the pipes are the people looking at instrumentation gauges on the surface.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:01 PM
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18. It ain't done cookin' yet.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:06 PM
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22. So far, so good, per BP, per CNN...
They need another 24 to 48 hours. It will get harder as they go deeper.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:06 PM
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23. Sez who? Sez you?
It is to laugh.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:09 PM
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26. We need to get you on a plane down there ASAP. You must inform them about what's going on.
I will setup a paypal account now.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:09 PM
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27. It is one thing to post "something happened on the live feed" vs. "Topkill has failed".
Are you hoping for it to fail????
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:29 PM
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35. Some people need it to fail.
They thrive on chaos, destruction, uncertainty, and fear.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:11 PM
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68. That pretty much defines life and all it entails. n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:15 PM
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30. This thread has failed. n/t
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:27 PM
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33. Thread fail "color differences" = DRILLING MUD.
BP is injecting drilling mud into well to force oil back down well shaft.

However the "top" of BOP is open thus some of the mud will come flowing out. To avoid losing all the mud BP needs to continually inject new mud into the well.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 01:34 PM
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:11 PM
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42. Wipe the egg off your face.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 05:08 PM
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49. It's a shame if this fails
Edited on Thu May-27-10 05:08 PM by mvd
:cry:

As bad as BP is, I sure was wishing this worked. I thought the President had a pretty good press conference and I'm glad the government is controlling BP's actions - so I have hope.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 04:59 PM
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46. Looks like you were right!
:wow:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 05:02 PM
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47. And I'm just SURE all the scolds will line up and apologize...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:15 PM
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50. Crickets... n/t
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:16 PM
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51. It has not failed yet, and it is irresponsible to post as such. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:19 PM
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52. meisje had it right and the scolds on this thread had it wrong....n/t
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:20 PM
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53. He/she may end up being right, but it is still too early to post something like that. n/t
Edited on Thu May-27-10 06:21 PM by LeftyFingerPop
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:22 PM
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54. End up being right??!?!!
Here is what the OP says,

"Top Kill has failed to stop the flow of oil"

That is a correct statement confirmed by BP officials.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:25 PM
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57. it implies that the top kill has failed. it is misleading.
but you knew that.

not until the procedure is complete can that be said.

but you knew that too.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:27 PM
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59. It did fail.
Round one failed. Now they are attempting a hybrid of Top Kill and Junk Shot.

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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:28 PM
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61. That is picking nits.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:24 PM
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56. meisje said it looks like oil and not mud....
Edited on Thu May-27-10 06:25 PM by Junkdrawer
and was told by many how utterly stupid he/she was.



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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:27 PM
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60. When you brush your teeth in the morning...
do you declare that your teeth brushing activity was a success before you are done brushing? If you do, then you are misleading yourself.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:23 PM
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55. I DO NOT APOLOGIZE!
I GET EVEN!!!!!

That makes perfect sense.... if you're me.

I'm going to prove him wrong by fixing this gusher tonight. I'm packing my bags up as soon as I post this.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:25 PM
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58. Well it still ain't over, but YAY! they are having issues it might very well fail! Congratulations!
And I'm just SURE all the scolds will line up and apologize...
Posted by Junkdrawer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

:rofl:


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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:29 PM
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63. Yep. The scolds are just as classy as I thought. n/t
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:39 PM
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65. Tell me about your teeth.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:28 PM
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62. the gusher is undeterred
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:50 PM
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66. they ran out of mud.....another ship is on the way...geez
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:15 PM
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67. You sheeps, I forgive you!!! oh and theres a new bale of straw in the pasture...
now you don't have to eat each other poop

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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