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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:50 PM
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Israeli ambassador on CNN is trying to link Turkish group to Al Qaida.
And also says Israel offered to take the supplies from the group to Gaza. He's also trying to paint the group as being the aggressors.

"If this group really cared about the humanitarian issues in Gaza they would have tranferred the supplies to us (Israel)."

IMO, the U.S. needs to treat Israel the exact same way as it did Iran, Iraq, and any other rogue nation that acts without provocation.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:50 PM
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1. it's not easy to justify murder
Edited on Mon May-31-10 02:51 PM by spanone
he's dancing on a pinhead
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:18 PM
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20. Must be getting advice from Carville and Shrum. n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:50 PM
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2. Oh good god
The more Israel talks the deeper they dig themselves in a hole.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:51 PM
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3. Yes, they have been doing that all morning. n/t
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:53 PM
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I saw in another thread that you had friends on the ships....
any word yet?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:57 PM
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13. Nothing yet. I really don't know who went this time or who is there.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. :(
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:07 PM
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16. My thoughts are with you.
Hope everyone is OK.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 08:29 PM
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40. Thank you, AngryOldDem. n/t
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 05:09 PM
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34. They've all been taken to the port of Haifa
(or Ashdod, as the initial reports said), and from there they are being taken to a high-security prison in Beersheba (latest from Al Jazeera). Who knows when they will be released.

I know at least one person onboard one of those ships too, a tireless young British/Polish activist Ewa Jasiewicz. She is scheduled to speak in my city here in Poland in about three weeks.

I'm worried sick for all of them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 08:28 PM
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39. Hi there, moodforaday.
I hope she will be able to speak in your city and tell you this story.
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:51 PM
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4. Such a softball interview. You suck, Rick! nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:53 PM
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7. Softball?
You mean Jacks?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:52 PM
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5. That CNN jackass asked him what he wanted the US
response to be? Did you fucking hear that. CNN is behaving like a fucking apologist after civilians are murdered in international waters.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:57 PM
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12. Frak that they attacked a US Flagged ship!
...The convoy includes the “Mavi Marmara,” a large Turkish-flagged passenger vessel with about 600 people on board, two cargo ships and three other boats.

Two other boats are also Turkish-flagged, while another two are Greek and one more is from the United States.

A seventh ship, the 1,200-tonne “Rachel Corrie,” named after an American who was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in Gaza in 2003, was en route from Ireland to join the flotilla... http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100531/FOREIGN/705319968/1001
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:00 PM
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14. OMG ...Rachel Corrie!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:04 PM
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15. From an excellent FAQ
...Cargo

According to organisers, the ships were carrying about 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid, including medical aid, food, clothing, prefabricated homes, children’s playgrounds, stationery items, iron bars and cement.

“There is not even a razor, knife or jackknife on board,” one of the organisers said, referring to the non-threatening nature of the cargo... http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100531/FOREIGN/705319968/1001
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 05:11 PM
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36. Yes! That ship was bought an an auction and donated
to the Free Gaza movement. Read about how it happened here:
http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news/1164-introducing-the-mv-rachel-corrie

Apparently the ship was named with permission of Rachel Corrie's parents.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:38 PM
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24. I remember Rachel
:cry:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:59 PM
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26. this guy was probably on that ship....
check out this guys at his creditability.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Peck

sunday night there was a memorial service for the sailors that died during the idf attack on the uss liberty

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/05/30/18649207.php
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:08 PM
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17. Sanctions would be a start.
And I wouldn't kick at a recall of diplomats, either.

But I guess it depends on what Turkey wants to do, given NATO.
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:52 PM
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6. Those supplies would've been confiscated and burned. It's a blockade after all... nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:53 PM
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9. Nothing would have ended up in Gaza, that's for certain.
Edited on Mon May-31-10 02:54 PM by WeDidIt
Israel is committing crimes against humanity.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:12 PM
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19. This is sick.
Israel sure doesn't care about how it is perceived does it? I haven't been keeping up with this situation so I admit I am stunned at what they have been doing.

They want sympathy from the holocaust to live on forever but they are replacing that with other sentiments. They need to be careful or all that suffering will only have a worse legacy...that of more cruelty. The persecuted become the persecutors. .
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:08 PM
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28. they are like the boy who was beaten by his father
and now beats his children.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:54 PM
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10. But...but ...but
Truckloads of supplies get to Gaza everyday...the ambassador said so! :sarcasm:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:53 PM
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8. from a PR standpoint they found the only way to make the Hamas douchebags
look good... :(
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 02:56 PM
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11. "Al Qaida did it" - Last refuge of scoundrels n/t
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:11 PM
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30. The freepers are in their glory. They want to go bath in the dead activists blood.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:10 PM
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18. What could two anti-Semitic Islamist terrorist groups possibly have in common?
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:23 PM
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21. Can you back up your claim
that the turkish aid organisation is a 'terrorist group'?
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:25 PM
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22. Their support for Hamas speaks for itself
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:29 PM
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23. Can you back THAT up
And supporting hamas does not make you a terrorist organisation any more than supporting dale earnhardt jr makes you a nascar driver.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:12 PM
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31. he doesn't need logical explanations
Jesus has already told him that the Jews are the chosen people and can do no wrong no matter how many innocent people they slaughter. After all, the Bible condones genocide multiple times, -silly Progressive, don't you know, God wants us to kill?
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 05:29 PM
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37. Usually I get annoyed when idiots project their own stupidity on to me
but your statement is so ridiculous I can't help but laugh. Really. :rofl:
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 06:11 PM
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38. So you can't back it up, fair enough.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 03:54 PM
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25. the interviewer on bbc overnight this morning....
made the us interviewers sound like first graders. she did`t give the israeli spokesperson an inch...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:05 PM
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27. And the mushroom clouds were going to appear in 45 minutes.
Did he wave a vial around while he said it?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:08 PM
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29. Why couldn't they deliver the the supplies to Egypt?
:shrug:
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:17 PM
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32. Oh?
"IMO, the U.S. needs to treat Israel the exact same way as it did Iran, Iraq, and any other rogue nation that acts without provocation."

You want the US to attack Israel?

I am still wondering why this group didn't transfer their aid across approved ground routes. Was this more of a publicity stunt with boats full of activists than a real humanitarian mission?
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 04:51 PM
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33. I think the U.S. reaction is pretty much dictated by NATO.
Did I say I favored a military response? Sanctions and diplomatic response at the very least is called for here. I'm tired of Israel's attitude that it can do whatever the fuck it wants, with no ramifications.

And what makes you think the supplies would have gotten through by ground routes?
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 05:11 PM
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35. I truly despise the goverment in Israel
Shame on them.
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