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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:15 PM
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“Do you think I want a $200,000 home next to my house? Absolutely not,"
Homeowners angry about lower priced homes in Craig Ranch

Nearly 100 new homes are about to pop up in McKinney’s Craig Ranch. You’d think that would be good news for the luxury community but some neighbors are not rolling out the welcome mat.

The homes in the area currently range from about $400,000 into the millions but the homes being built are substantially less.

Beazer Homes, one of the largest builders in the country, bought 93 lots in The Settlement neighborhood at Craig Ranch. The houses, described as "luxurious and high performance," will be among the lowest priced at the master planned development.

“Do you think I want a $200,000 home next to my house? Absolutely not," said Carol DeMott, a homeowner who lives in The Settlement.

Some homeowners, like DeMott, are concerned lower priced homes coming into the neighborhood will drive their property values down.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/Homeowners-angry-about-lower-priced-homes-in-craig-ranch-95652354.html
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:16 PM
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1. Fuck you, Carol. Go buy some bigger boot straps and step out of the way of the "free market".
:rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:17 PM
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2. Then move, Carol.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:18 PM
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3. idiots. watch the idiot in the video.
she is the perfect example of the statement

'money does not buy you an ounce of class.'
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:58 PM
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18. you'd think if she could afford a 400K house she could do *something* with that hair!
Heh -- what a mess with a mortgage.... :sarcasm:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:21 PM
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4. Some people just need a non-stop ass-whuppin'. nt
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:21 PM
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5. Classic marketing. First, sell to the early adopters at the highest prices,
then catch the second wave with more features, and finally, mop up with the economy folks.

Works with anything, so long as there are those who value themselves by what they own.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:03 PM
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37. Developers and builders are close to used car salesmen...
on the scale of humanity.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:21 PM
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6. If DeMott wants a 400K house built next door
She needs to buy the lot and build one herself. Same thing goes for people who buy a house and then whine when someone else builds a house that blocks "their" view.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:36 PM
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14. +1
Exactly right.

Zero sympathy.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:13 PM
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20. or when the move to the country and then complain about agricultural practices
like spreading manure, butchering, harvesting. My small piece of land (3ish acres) sits between 2 subdivisions. My property was the hold out (not me, previous owner). I have had the sheriffs called on me maybe 50 times in the last 3 years for regular agricultural practices. The sheriff's deputy usually swings by, lets me know what the problem is and then, citing the Right to Farm law in the county, tells the neighbors that I am not breaking any laws. Out of 21 properties that border mine, I am on good terms with about 2/3rd of them. 7 or so not so much. I can always tell there is going to be a problem when they move in and then try an tell me that I am breaking the HOA rules! I am not in your stupid HOA! FU! I really can't stand people who move from urban areas to get away from the noise, crowds, whatever, and try to turn the rural areas into what they fled from. And I am from the city originally.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 03:15 PM
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25. My girlfriends parents get that too,
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 03:33 PM by Sen. Walter Sobchak
Not that their doing much agriculture, but they aren't doing much landscaping either which seems to be the bone of contention. They built their place in the middle of nowhere in the early 80's and then twenty years into the mission a "master planned community" springs up next door and those guys hate them. They sort of regret not selling out to the developer now because their tranquil sanctuary in the hills is now a noisy perpetual traffic jam and the new neighborhood kids are always getting up to no good on their land and they live in fear of some kid on a dirt bike breaking their neck in a ravine on the property and several stolen cars have been found abandoned there. But they couldn't afford to buy a similar property today and aren't quite ready for the old folks home.

Basically cross the street and you go from manicured lawns to an endless sea of this and their hated for it:
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 06:59 PM
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36. Same problem here in PA.
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 07:01 PM by demodonkey

They move here thinking cows are cute little things on toaster covers or whatever, then when the cows make manure, or even moo, the people complain.

They complain about weeds blowing onto their lawn, and they also complain if we mow at times of day they don't like, if we spray anything, or even we spread manure to fertilize the field naturally and mulch weeds.

There there are the a-holes who think our land is their private driving range, or worse yet a free place for their kids to ride mini-bikes or quads. I had someone ask me (at least he asked) if they could build a mini-bike jump in one of our best fields.

O yeah, and then there was the other a-hole who apparently brought in a Bobcat skid-steer and helped himself to the topsoil off a space about 20 x 40 feet in the same field.

Thank God PA has an Agricultural Security Law to protect us. The farm has been in my family since 1913 and operated continuously. We're having a hard time keeping going for many reasons, but without this law we would have been run out years ago.

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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:12 PM
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39. I wonder if the NRA would take up the private ownership of landmines,
how recent are these arrivals?
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 09:21 PM
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45. Yeah, and then I blow myself up plowing.

;-)

And I have no idea how recent because some of these houses have changed hands two or three times already.


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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:22 PM
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7. I thought only characters in over-the-top, heavy-handed fiction with a "message" talked like this.
Wow. Just wow.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:24 PM
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8. Republican utopia on the march Carol DeMott
Welcome to the brave new world of corporate America. Now grab your ankles and remain silent.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:28 PM
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9. uhh, those 400K homes are FUGLY. And overpriced.
Beazer is actually a good builder - I've reviewed quite a few of their developments in Atlanta, and they are quite nice. Why don't these crybabies contact the owner, and offer to help them finance an upgrade on the homes, so that Beazer can build homes in the amount they feel should be built? They won't of course, because the ranch homes are already overpriced. And Beazer knows that. That's why they submitted plans at that cost range.

Sorry, but the crybabies are getting a reality check. THEY bought overpriced homes, and have to live with the consequences.

Send in the waaahmbulances....
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:28 PM
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10. Looks like Carol DeMott bought into the community before it
was finished and without minimum house requirements. Aw....good for the new owners of lower priced homes surrounded by higher priced ones...their property values will go up! Ol' Carol better sell! ha!
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 04:32 PM
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32. She took a gamble and LOST.
She feels like the world OWES her and when things didn't work out that way, she decided that whining would solve her problems.

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:32 PM
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11. Peter and George Bailey and Uncle Billy would beg to differ.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:34 PM
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12. Gosh, you'd think a million bucks could buy you some decent sized trees!
Then again, trees wouldn't last long there. All those expensive 3-story piles of masonry, completely inappropriate for that dry, flat country, not even overhanging roofs for shade .
I wonder what their air conditioning bills run a year? Haven't these people ever heard the term "ranch house?"

I wouldn't live in one of those monsters if I COULD afford it!

As a friend of mine said a long time ago: "Money doesn't know who owns it."

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:34 PM
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13. Well if you don't like lesser valued houses in your neighborhood, you better see what you can do
about wage equity in America. Those 200k homeowners are just folks trying to do the best for themselves, as you were doing for yourself. But if you thing you can get control of your environment by buying into a large development, you are just a fish.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:49 PM
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16. +1 Most people can't afford a $200,000 house
Because of the war on decent pay in the US.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:41 PM
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41. Tell me about it...
I'm trying to sell mine for 189K

Lots of people say it's "too much" even though it's comparable in size (with more land attached) than some of the other houses in the area going for nearly 300K.

Which aren't selling either, BTW....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:47 PM
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15. Had kind of the same thing happen to me when I moved here 21 years ago
This house was a bank owned repo that had been sitting empty for nearly a year. The bank was asking $117,000.00 which I could not afford so I low-balled them and made an offer of $85,000.00. The bank came back and said they would take $95,000.00 and indicated that they were not interested in receiving any further counteroffers. $95 grand take it or leave it. We took it.

The woman who lived across the street from this house was a realtor and got all bent out of shape because a house in this subdivision sold for less than a hundred grand. In her mind that wasn't supposed to happen. It dropped her property values a bit she figured.

I never did get along with that old battle axe after that. She moved out of here over ten years ago and I don't miss her a bit.

Don
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:54 PM
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17. Fascist attitude.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 01:59 PM
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19. I bought my house for $85.000 Then they built $2million homes around me.
drove my taxes thought the Roof.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 03:02 PM
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24. That's what's happening in my area. Here's a pic of a monstrosity that's being
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 03:05 PM by Lorien
built right now. I could only fit HALF of it in my phone's camera lens. The little house off to it's right is what's normal for the neighborhood. Three homes once stood where the new Walmart...er, McMansion is being built. Ironically it's a spec house that is trumpeted as "the New American Home." :eyes:

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 03:53 PM
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27. Dear gawd.
It looks like a mausoleum.
Have you see the new owners out in daylight?
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 06:48 PM
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35. Ewwww. I much prefer the house to the right. NT
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:49 PM
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42. I love that little house. That thing next to is is exactly what you called it--a monstrosity.
How sad for your neighborhood.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:17 PM
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21. Who would want to buy your 5000 sq. ft. homes anyway?
The reality is, these McMansions in the boonies are white elephants anyway. No one wants homes that big anymore (no one sane, that is). No one needs that much square footage unless they have 12 children, and no one needs to heat or cool them. They are dinosaurs (okay, elephants, dinosaurs, whatever), vestiges of the go-go nineties and naughties that are woefully out of style at this moment. Mean, green, and ecologically clean are in, not Carol's faux Southfork Ranch.

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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 04:31 PM
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30. Yeah...
but a six bedroom in a walker's paradise is worth the utilities.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:35 PM
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22. There goes the neighborhood!
I mean, think about it--might be some black people or latinos could afford those $200,000 houses. Next thing you know they'll want to join the country club!
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indy legend Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:45 PM
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23. Hey, It's the "free" market these ass clowns love so much. Bend over and STFU.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 03:59 PM
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28. No kidding, and the right to do what one wants with one's own property
That they are always on about, applies to Carol's neighbor too.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 03:29 PM
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26. Honey, just wait 'til the double-wide trailers start setting up.
Of course, you'll never know it, but folks living in trailers can be some of the best people you've never had the chance to meet.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 04:21 PM
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29. lol
:rofl:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 04:31 PM
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31. If they wanted to live in a rich neighborhood with all expensive homes, they should
have bought into a better planned community which would have prevented that kind of disparity. So it's really their own damn fault.

I think they just don't want 'those people' moving in next door.

FUCK YOU, snooty real estate lady--you're an asshole of the first degree, and I would never ever want to live next to some like you!
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 05:55 PM
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33. The article and video are correct, the new homes have to meet the CC&Rs
Edited on Sat Jun-05-10 06:53 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
However, they do not have to exceed them. Most of them are roof type and square footage. There is a huge variance in cost that can still meet the standards.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 06:46 PM
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34. I wish I could afford a $200,000 home....
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talkinghand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:12 PM
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38. Best to buy in an ESTABLISHED neighborhood
where what you see is what you get...

Where I live they do build the expensive houses first in a neighborhood, then the midrange, then the low range, and then here come the apartments and soccer fields and etc. LOL

We had a family complaining about the soccer field lights blaring through their bedroom window at night LOL -- it was of course built after they moved into their new house.

What happens too, is people move into a brand new tract next to an established animal zoned area, then complain about the horses and cows... and chickens, especially the roosters LOL

Oh and we had a bunch of families move on streets adjacent to the racetrack, the streets were NAMED after famous race drivers, LOL, and then they complained about the racing noise!! LOL

We bought in a fully built-out established neighborhood, bought on a quiet street no one has any business on (except those who live here), close to schools and parks and shopping, but not TOO close :-), and we are pretty happy here. It's quiet and safe as can be :-) and we already know who our neighbors are -- in fact we walked the neighborhood before we bought (on a weekend) and got to know a few of them :-) --

LOTS of cops, teachers, civil servants -- the salt of the earth :-)

talkinghand
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 08:17 PM
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43. Similar to people moving into a brand new tract next to an established animal zoned area
I live in a subdivision near a small lake and it never fails we get some bonehead who moves into here because of they see the Canadian Geese scooting around the lake when they come here house hunting and think they are so beautiful. But after they move in and realize that Geese poop, sometimes in their yards, they go completely berserk trying to kill every Goose they can, and run around the lake shaking Goose eggs so they won't hatch. Over the years I have seen half a dozen little yellow baby Geese some idiot ran over and smushed on purpose in the road with their car. And I know who the Goose haters are out here too. I remind them every chance I get that if I didn't like Geese I probably would sell this house near a lake and purchase a condo somewhere else.

People are real idiots.

Don
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BrentWil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:35 PM
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40. Property rights!!!
Her property, she should be able to build what she wants.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 08:54 PM
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44. This is entirely normal
I regulate developers for a living. Beazer homes is one of the builders in our local market. Homes in this price range and lower is their typical product.

It is not at all unusual for them or other similar firms to purchase of a section toward the end of a project and build more affordable models. In the current market, to the extent anyone is building anything, they are building lower priced models. More expensive models are already sold before construction commences, no one I have seen is building high dollar homes "on spec" (speculation for a sale).

To the extent I am involved in permitting for residential construction, most of it is redesign of existing projects to smaller lots and less expensive homes.

It is also pretty normal for the existing owners to complain about it. While this sort of complaint is not something I hear everyday, I do get a handful every year, and have been getting them periodically for the roughly 17 years I have been involved in regulating development projects.

It really doesn't matter what it is that is going on next door or how pricey their homes are. I had once nearly incessant complaints about a pig farm. Not a factory farm, just an elderly black man raising a couple of dozen pigs, as he had been on that land for 40+ years. What used to be pastures around him, became pricey subdivisions, and apparently when folks bought their expensive homes next to the pig farm, they did not apparently notice that pigs are not always pretty, and occasionally produce a bit of odor. Fortunately we have a "right to farm act" which kept the farmer from being harrassed off of his land. It did not keep them from trying though.

Pretty normal NIMBY stuff.
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