Has anyone ever seen an explanation of why someone would vote for Hillary?

Besides the fact that she is a woman and married to Bill.

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if for no other reason than to get even

and a backbone that handled the relentless assault of a Special Prosecutor on a fishing expedition. Not to mention she's got even the support of solid Republican counties here in NY State voting for her, so she must be doing something right for those constituents.

I suspect this may be falling on deaf ears, but thought I'd respond anyway.

she's been a very good senator and has done a lot for her constituents (e.g. securing money to help the families of 9/11 victims, etc.)

presidential candidate?

THAT'S a new one.

limit their message only to Democratic Voters? He or she WILL be President for everybody, right? Whether they're in his or her Party or not.

Nothing new about that.

Hekate

draw in progressives and moderates.

Playing to the center is DLC tactics that have lost us EVERY ELECTION for the last 6 years.

And before you bring it up, it was Dean's 50 state strategy of seeking out the base in ALL states that kicked us up in 06, not the targetted state, reach to the right strategy of the DLC.

Democracy has lots of voices, and therefore lots of reasons and "explanation"s.

Just what are you getting at? And why not come out and say it? :eyes:

this way.

And having a woman in power is a big deal. It means social progress.

:eyes:

...to put it bluntly. Hillary Rodham Clinton's feminist creds are the very thing about her that makes the RW froth at the mouth. It's why they've vilified her for nearly 20 years.

Hekate

(Wal-Mart)

Hillary is a True Feminist and endorsed by both NOW and NARAL. ...and that's REALLY important to me. Maybe the most important thing I can think of. As a woman I would feel safest with Hillary.
Lee

(Wal-Mart)

by crying "woman! female! sexism!" every time someone hits her like an EQUAL.

Change the criteria to hispanic and/or a Catholic.

Duh! :)

she's so HOT! ;-)

When they realize all the new presidential powers that Bush has demanded and the freeps supported he have now belong to President Clinton the poisoned Kool-Aid will be coming out over there.

Don

for a democrat either.

the thought of the freeps going on suicide watch is a real bonus

She's not substantially worse than the official candidates who have a realistic chance of winning the nomination. So I guess the fact that it would torment the brainwashed Fox News Clinton haters is worth something.

go hillary... go, go, go :shrug:

All of the Republican's heads will spin right off.
Lee

You haven't? You must be new to the internets.

And don't want to vote for a black man. :sarcasm:

She's a Goddess. What's wrong with you? Haven't you heard? How dare you.

:sarcasm:

I was being serious. I haven't met anyone that would vote for her, and the best reason I've seen here is the fact that she's a woman.

I would vote for her. I just don't think she can win.

as their SECOND choice. Big sis likes Edwards. Little sis likes Obama. Mom likes Biden. I've been for DK for years. All of us will settle for Hillary, if we have to.

I think she'd be more effective staying in the senate.

she's smart, effective, courageous and it would make Freeper-heads explode.

Just said that to me this morning in fact. He says he trusts her and just really likes her, and that he'd definitely vote for her. He said if Gore ran he might consider changing, but other than that he really likes Hillary. And not once in the conversation did he mention anything about her being a woman or married to Bill.

That's just the most recent recollection though. Fact is I know plenty of Democrats who really like Hillary all of which are for reasons outside of her being a woman and married to Bill.

All pros, cons, and snark aside:

If they dug up Richard Effin' Nixon, somehow got him registered as a Democrat and gave him the nomination, I, and many others, would vote for him over any Republican.

I'm sure I left something out. But that's a start.

Oh, and she's a pro-choice, pro-civil liberties DEMOCRAT.If she's on the ticket, I'll vote for her with a smile and a prayer that she wins, for the good of the country.

Hekate

that will help them. Seems who you are married to will get you elected lets go after the wives...see if they should run instead.

It is a shame that even the democrats love to swiftboat Hillary.

I'll have no problem at all supporting her and voting for her. If for no other reason, I'd be glad to support her simply because the right hates her so.

and I believe that her supporters are genuine in their belief that she is the best candidate.

I have not met any Democrat in my area who is excited about a Clinton nomination. They will all support her if she wins the nomination, but not a one would put her as their first choice.

Why? Because they feel she can't be elected. Simple as that.

They would all agree with the explanations given as to why she is a good candidate, but all of those positives just aren't able to overcome her negative image as unfair as that is.

That's important to me.

Lee

like it's petty and not a real reason to vote for someone?

As of right now, I see all the candidates as being equally qualified, and equally competent. Therefore, I'll vote for the woman if given the chance, because women have been systematically oppressed and treated as second-class (or worse) human beings for most of the history of the WORLD. It'll make me feel damned good to see a female become the leader of the most powerful nation in the history of the world.

"Because she's a woman" is a NOBLE reason for voting for Hillary--not something to be sneered at and tossed aside.

I like what you said!

Thank-you.
Lee

That should answer your question. NO group has been oppressed for as long as women, denied certain basic human rights and equality even in today's USA--supposedly the most free nation in the world.

When men spend thousands of years being oppressed and enslaved and traded like property, THEN I'll see nobility in voting for a man just because he's a man.

sexism and racism.

The person actually said they would only use that as criteria if all other things were equal. That is valid.
Lee

You vote for people based on the policies they can accomplish for your issues, not on which reproductive organs they were born with and not on what color skin they have, either.

So if all things are equal you will toss the names in a hat. You are not The Decider of Correct Choosing. *snerk*
Hillary is my choice and is endorsed by NOW and NARAL. Deal.
Lee

You vote for people based on the policies they can accomplish for your issues, not on which reproductive organs they were born with and not on what color skin they have, either.

We both said IF ALL OTHER THINGS WERE EQUAL. Is this a difficult concept for you? I'm through with you just btw.
Lee

Your logic allows people like Bush to put people like Gonzoles in power and Rice in power. And other corrupt minorities and women in power for the sole reason that they might get some protection from their ethnic and gender groups.

It is how Clarence Thomas got past the Senate and it's why he was picked by the Republican leadership.

then all things would NOT be equal. I only use gender as a determining factor when all other factors are relatively equal. For example, I would never vote for Elizabeth Dole or Condi Rice. I have to wonder why you're having trouble understanding that.

Hillary's tenure on the Wall Mart board was at a time Bill Clinton was not union friendly

"While luring new industry is certainly a defensible -- indeed inevitable -- goal for a dirt-poor Southern state, Clinton's relations with organized labor have at times been testy. Critics charge that Clinton has given away too much through the concessions, continued a tax structure that unfairly favors business over middle-class wage earners and fostered a low-wage, antiunion climate. In 1990 the Arkansas Industrial Development Commission, run by Clinton appointees, arranged a $300,000 loan for Morrilton Plastics, a company that made parts for Detroit automakers, enabling it to build up inventory in anticipation of a strike by the United Auto Workers. At the time, the loan outraged union activists. Bill Becker, head of the state AFL-CIO, bluntly accuses the Clinton administration of "union busting."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975282-2,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3250526&mesg_id=3251834

DUH!

Those are words used very flippantly in this day and age. "Racist" and "Sexist" are not interchangeable with other words meant to describe prejudice, like "biased", "bigoted", etc.

Saying that I think broccoli is disgusting is an personal prejudice. Saying that I'm choosing to eat at one restaurant over another because one serves broccoli and the other doesn't is bias. Saying that all broccoli-serving restaurants are dirty, smelly, and gross (even though I haven't personally witnessed any such thing) is bigotry. A whole STATE full of people who believe (without any real proof at all) that all broccoli-serving restaurants are disgusting, smelly, and gross, and should be zoned out of existence...now THAT is approaching the severity level of racism and sexism--but not quite there yet, because we're talking about billions upon billions of people when we talk about racism and sexism.

When all other factors are relatively equal, choosing to vote for an oppressed minority is noble, because you are helping to empower a group of people who desperately need a strong voice to stand up for their rights. Women have been oppressed in one manner or another for a very, very, VERY long time. I choose to use my vote to try and empower my sisters who are living without equality, without autonomy, and under the shadow of perceived weakness. If a woman wins a Presidential election, it sends a message to the nation...that women are NOT weak, that our human rights are NOT up for negotiation, and that we will NOT lay down quietly while those rights are jeopardized. At least, that's how I see it.

Your logic allows people like Bush to put people like Gonzoles in power and Rice in power. And other corrupt minorities and women in power for the sole reason that they might get some protection from their ethnic and gender groups.

It is how Clarence Thomas got past the Senate and it's why he was picked by the Republican leadership.

For me, Sen. Clinton's gender does matter somewhat. I haven't decided who I like best just yet, but when I rank them the fact that she's a woman does play in her favor because I think that after 200 years the Office of the President could benefit by having someone with something of a different perspective on things.

Her gender certainly wouldn't be the deciding factor. Far more important to me would be issues like her economic policy, stance on Iraq and the ME, gay rights, etc. It is a factor for me though.

That person will NEVER get it. The sentence "when ALL other things are equal" seems to be above their comprehension level because they keep bringing up examples like Thatcher, where all other things were not equal and the women was a pig.

They are also too intellectually disingenuous to even say, "well, I don't think ALL other things are equal. I think Hillary is worse than the others." It does seem like a simple point to me..."IF ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL"...but it just escapes them because, as I said, they are dishonest and want to just keep pounding their point. I could accept what they say if they were simply honest enough to say..."things aren't equal. I don't like Hillary and think she is a Devil Woman" but for some reason it is above their head.

I have now decided definitely that Hillary is my choice. The last week's fights, arguments, disagreements and discussions with Neanderthals, about abortion, have clinched this for me. Hillary is now my candidate of choice, not just my default candidate. Women's rights, you know, the people John Lennon called "the niggers of the world", are far too important and as a woman, I feel safer with Hillary than with any of the others. She is smart, competent and a true feminist. She has my vote.

Lee

And that is why I won't.

:shrug:

I hope your teachers fell for it, cause I'm not.

I think this thread was very telling. Hillary has support because she is a woman; which is fine. My fear comes from electability. If she wins the nom, it will be a long and painful 8 months until November 2008. I will vote for her, but I won't feel very confident about her chances of winning. I hope I'm wrong.

This wasn't a school exam. This was flame-bait, basically. Another..."how could anyone in their right minds vote for Hillary" which is actually against the rules here where we are not supposed to diss ANY Democratic candidate. This was not an exam. It was your lame question and Forkboy can answer how he wants without being derided by YOU.
Lee

I didn't realize an essay was required when a one word answer was both correct and to the point.