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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:20 AM
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"THE RIG'S ON FIRE! I Told You This Was Gonna Happen!"
:mad:




" A prominent Houston attorney with a long record of winning settlements from oil companies says he has new evidence suggesting that the Deepwater Horizon's top managers knew of problems with the rig before it exploded last month, causing the worst oil spill in US history. Tony Buzbee, a lawyer representing 15 rig workers and dozens of shrimpers, seafood restaurants, and dock workers, says he has obtained a three-page signed statement from a crew member on the boat that rescued the burning rig's workers. The sailor, who Buzbee refuses to name for fear of costing him his job, was on the ship's bridge when Deepwater Horizon installation manager Jimmy Harrell, a top employee of rig owner Transocean, was speaking with someone in Houston via satellite phone. Buzbee told Mother Jones that, according to this witness account, Harrell was screaming, "Are you fucking happy? Are you fucking happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen."



Whoever was on the other end of the line was apparently trying to calm Harrell down. "I am fucking calm," he went on, according to Buzbee. "You realize the rig is burning?"



At that point, the boat's captain asked Harrell to leave the bridge. It wasn't clear whether Harrell had been talking to Transocean, BP, or someone else.


On Friday a spokesman for Transocean said he couldn't confirm or deny whether the conversation took place. He was unable to make Harrell available for an interview.


During hearings held late last month by the Coast Guard and the Minerals Management Service, Harrell denied any conflicts with his BP or Transocean bosses. He said that he did not feel pressured to rush the completion of the well, even though the rig had fallen behind schedule.


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<http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/06/rigs-fire-i-told-you-was-gonna-happen>

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:24 AM
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1. Criminals! Lock them up and read them the Miranda. nt
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:25 AM
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2. But only if they ask for their rights. Otherwise, they don't have any.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:20 AM
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44. Miranda still has to be read, all that was ruled is
that you must speak your desire to remain silent. It's done every day. I have nothing to say, get me a lawyer. Then shut the fuck up.

As for this article, can not confirm or deny, I take that as a confirmation myself.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:36 AM
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8. hell, according to SCOTUS, Miranda is dead....
or at best, a 'quaint notion' to borrow from Bush's administration.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:26 AM
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3. Wonder how many pieces of silver they bought him off with
FROM:
"Are you fucking happy? Are you fucking happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen."


To:
"Harrell denied any conflicts with his BP or Transocean bosses. He said that he did not feel pressured to rush the completion of the well, even though the rig had fallen behind schedule. "

I am guessing a 180 like that costs a lot. Would be interesting to look at Mr. Harrell tax, investment, and property records for say 2010-2015 vs 2000-2005.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:45 AM
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10. Threats work too and don't show up in audits. nt
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:03 PM
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12. Watch them sing like Andrea Bocelli AFTER their bosses throw them under the bus.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:08 PM
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14. Cheney threatened to eat his children.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:11 PM
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15. Well that might do it. In which case I feel sorry for the guy.
Seriously he may be between a rock and a hard place.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:13 AM
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40. no no that was "crush" their children's testicals according to Yoo it was OK. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:36 AM
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47. Probably was a bullet to the head that he was told he could dodge by playing along with them.
Threats work so much better than money.
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:27 AM
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4. If corporations are people, then BP deserves the death penalty.
Put them in recievership now, stop them from looting the walking corpse that is BP, and seize all of its assets the moment the well is sealed.
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:05 AM
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39. If Corporations Are People, BP Deserves the Death Penalty- can I get that on a bumpersticker?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:29 AM
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5. Someone's lying.
May need to use enhanced interrogation techniques to get to the truth....
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:42 AM
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9. "May need to use enhanced interrogation techniques to get to the truth...."
Oilboard?
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:05 PM
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13. Take out the ' Bush torture manuel '. Taxpayers own it since we financed THEIR damn program.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:42 AM
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35. Sounds good to me. n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:35 AM
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6. Expropriate them all
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:36 AM
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7. Somebody needs to depose Harrell.
Under oath.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:58 AM
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11. Obviously, he had warned his son that masturbation causes rig fires...

Bidding for this excuse starts at 10 billion.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:18 PM
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16. Big K&R
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:21 PM
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17. Planet destroying LIARS need to be held accountable.
Damn our current "justice" system, and the cowardly corporate pawns that infest it.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:17 AM
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41. Well we saw * administration openly politicize the DOJ only a couple
years prior to leaving office. These people are still in there and we know Obama still has many appointments that are being held up.

We are so screwed.

Cheers
Sandy
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:29 PM
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18. "Satellite phone" -- NSA has this one in their database
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 01:15 PM
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19. Unless it wasn't US sat.
:)

France has network of sat phones and I doubt they share data with NSA.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 01:41 PM
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20. I doubt that there is a satellite downlink that is not recorded by NSA
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 01:46 PM
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21. NSA can't defy physics.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 01:56 PM by Statistical
Simple antenna theory. To increase effective power (gain) you need to narrow the signal beam. High gain antennas don't make "power" appear from nowhere. They simply "concentrate" the signal.

Sat are limited in size, weight, power so they require high gain antennas. This means no signal covers the entire globe or even the entire United States. Multiple spot beams will be used to provide overlapping coverage.

You can't intercept what isn't there. To intercept a signal you need to be where the spot beam is and given there relative small size that would be hundreds of thousands of listening stations all over the world.

Even if you can intercept the signal (NSA just happened to have a boat in Gulf on right frequency waiting for a signal from a French bird) it is encrypted.

There is plenty of good encryption that simply can't be broken by the NSA or anyone. Mathematically solid encryption with very long encryption keys. Unless someone hands over the keys used anything intercepted is worthless noise.

NSA is rather powerful but they can't overcome the limits of physics.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:06 PM
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22. Doesn't matter anyway

The NSA, as a government agency, must defer to Capital. They wouldn't tell if they knew.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:09 PM
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23. True, but NSA has a big budget
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 02:14 PM by FarCenter
Spot beams tend to be a few hundred kilometers across, so the number of NSA ground stations doesn't have to be too large.

With high gain antenna and receivers they probably don't have to be centerd in the main lobe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmarsat in case they were using a "ship earth station" -- (I've always loved that name!)

As for encryption, there has been a concerted effort make the standard encryption of voice and data signals not too strong. So unless they were overlaying the standard encryptoin with their own, NSA can probably find the communications by analysis of the call setup data and then break that particuar message.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:13 PM
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24. Few hundred km is all relative.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 02:15 PM by Statistical
Earth has 500 million km of surface area.

Then you have that whole pesky encryption thing. Since cryptographic became open standards it has made the job much mroe difficult for entities like NSA.

For example is AES-512 was compromised due to a mathematical flaw you have mathematicians all over the world constantly looking to crack the uncrackable for the notoriety of it. It is unlikely NSA would discover some flaw in mainstream ciphers than entire rest of world would remain the dark.

Not saying it is impossible for NSA to intercept rather that it is not a foregone conclusion that they have copies of every sat transmission.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:18 PM
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26. Consider also that GoM and Texas are in the middle of the War on Drugs area
The chance that NSA is not monitoring satellite phone traffic in that area is small.

See above for response on encryption -- Ask yourself why the original "WEP" for Ethernet was so bad.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 03:00 PM
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27. WEP was a weak closed source protocol.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 03:22 PM by Statistical
Actually many people point out theoretical flaws before it was ever released. The industry didn't listen just like DVD industry they thought they had the smartest minds.

WPA2 however shows has a protocol should be designed (much to aggrevation of organizations like NSA). The WPA2 protocol was designed publicly with open feedback from cryptographic community. There were requests for cryptographers all over the world to attempt to break (via mathemtical flaw) the algorithm BEFORE it was used.

WPA2 is unbreakble via flaw or brute force if 3 conditions are met:
a) non default SSID (WPA hashes passphrase w/ SSID. using default SSID ("linksys") can lead to rainbow attack.
b) Long passphrase length (13+ charecters is considered unbreakable).
c) use AES not now broken TKIP algorithm


Closed "hidden" encryption designs rarely (if ever) are strong. WEP is no exception there is a laundry list of thousands of closed schemes which all failed. Good encryption doesn't require the algorithm is secret. In cryptography one should ASSUME Eve (eveesdropped) has access to everything.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob

By everything I mean EVE (NSA) has access to:
* current encrypted message
* previous encryped & plaintext messages (for comparison analysis)
* complete algorithm specs
* all source code for encrypting & decrypting.

In essence only thing Eve (NSA) is missing is the cipher key. A strong cryptographic system will be unbreakable (except via brute force) even when attacker has everything except the cipher key.

Good encryption is uncrackable even in those conditions except by brute force. AES, 3DES, Blowfish are good examples. To date no mathematical flaw has been discovered in these algorithms. Without a mathematical flaw one simply needs to choose a key-length that will require brute force attempt to last millenniums before attack has even tried 1% of possible keys.

AES permits the use of 256-bit keys. Breaking a symmetric 256-bit key by brute force requires 2128 times more computational power than a 128-bit key. A device that could check a billion billion AES keys per second would require about 3×10^51 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.


For a good algorithm and strong key-length (like AES) I could give you the decoded message, the "blueprints" for the algorithm, the source code for encoding/decoding, and the encrypted message. Despite all that you could never figure out the cipher key. It is mathematically strong.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 03:08 PM
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28. that is exactly what the NSA wants you to believe. n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:46 AM
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36. Thank you for the pertinent and well explained theory of
Sat.

I enjoyed it.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:52 AM
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43. Glad someone else is "geeky" enough to enjoy it. n/t
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mortfrom Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:11 AM
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50. I don't really know...
But how does Direct TV overcome the simple antenna theory? Do they send spot signals to every subscriber?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:34 PM
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30. But I'll bet they keep records of calls for their own legal system.
This is such a huge disaster I would be surprised if they didn't want to help find out who is responsible.
Heck the oil may even reach France someday if it keeps going, who knows?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:17 PM
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25. And I'm still running into wingnuts posting how "Obama had the well sabotaged.."
in order to further his socialist agenda.

I want to throttle those idiots.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 03:27 PM
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29. Idiots
Eveyone knows this was a planned event. Planned by BP alone.

Look at the OP. They guy knew the rig was being mismanaged from headquarters.

It was an old rig and had out lived its original purpose. It was sacrificed.

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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 12:53 AM
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34. Forgive me, but what possible benefit does BP reap from this 'plan'?
Sacrificed for what?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:35 PM
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31. Show the kind of deep thought they would put into a plan.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:56 PM
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33. or the "ecoturrsts," an army of trained commandos numbering in the thousands
threatening Progress and medicine that exist entirely in the minds of Ron Arnold, Tom Clancy, Richard Berman, and "corporate warrior" Nick Nichols
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:48 AM
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37. I guess he needed an oil rig fire, of such high intensity,
So he could burn up his illegit birth certificate?

<sarcasm meant>
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:44 PM
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32. newspaper articles also say there were problems w/ the rig months before it blew; snafus with the we
well; well burping stuff up; fittings getting accidentally dropped and stuck in the riser, etc.....one warning after another.....
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:49 AM
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38. Please sign this petition so we can pressure them for accountability
BP STANDS FOR BALLOT POISON

Pledge not to vote for any candidates receiving campaign donations from BP in 2010.

Petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/bp2010/petition.html



Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=113423272036102

Twitter: @bpballotpoison
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:18 AM
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42. Thanks!
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:30 AM
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45. BP uses VOIP for voice comms to their rigs....
...I worked with a former network manager for BP who implemented this in the late 90's.
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:30 AM
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46. BP uses VOIP for voice comms to their rigs....
...I worked with a former network manager for BP who implemented this in the late 90's.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:21 AM
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52. Done -- but IMO we should extend that to any contributions from all of oil industry...
and we should be NATIONALIZING the oil industry --

there will be no alternative energy available -- ever -- unless we do that!

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:37 AM
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48. Harrell is a lucky guy..
As long as his conscience allows him to lie, he's set for life.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:01 AM
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49. God damn Bastards!
:grr:

:argh:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:17 AM
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51. Corporatism is destroying democracy and creating a "third world America" ...
when are we going to stop this nonsense?

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 12:19 PM
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53. get these guys up before Congress NOW or at least in July
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