Al Sharpton and Mormon Mitt Romney

today Al Sharpton said:
"As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation"

IMO that is about the same as say Glenn Beck (to pick a mormon RW twit) or one of the other nutjobs saying

"As for the one (African American) running for office, those who (are articulate, clean, intelligent, etc) will defeat him anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation"

any thoughts? or does Al get a pass since he is on our team? or does he get a pass because a lot of mormons are RW? or does he get a pass because it was only mormons he was staggeringly offensive to?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_el_pr/sharpton_romney

"Sharpton denies disputing Romney's faith" is the headline of the article cited.

My thought is you should publish Sharpton's answer, not only the inflammatory comment, but that's just me.

but how else can one take the statement he made? the explanation he gives is a stretch. as for the mormon... those of us who believe in god? what does that have to do with being republican or democratic?

so one vote for Al gets a pass.

That has to be at least as interesting, if Romney is going to complain about being persecuted.

One of the many reasons Romney-ites want his church downplayed.

However there were exceptions to that going back as far as 1836 when the founder Joe smith ordained a black high priest.

plenty of checkered stuff in mormonism's past (and present) - as could be said of any religion or country for that matter. plenty of good things too.

also sharpton's remark hardly qualifies as persecution. I just thought the double standard was worth noting - had this been about african americans or evangelicals it would have spawned outrage ala imus.

or Christians or human rights? How about Christianity's legacy towards Islam, religious freedom, and human rights?

Is it possible to examine a candidate as an individual who may be influenced by many factors not just his religion? We didn't hold Kerry's Catholicism against him, did we?

water's wet

the sky is blue

al sharpton is a piece of shit

what else is new

:)

always puzzling to me how he can be such an idiot sometimes.

If you mean Shit, Romney is a full load

just throw this one onto the pile of racist, sexist, and otherwise bigoted things the rev. al has said in his checkered past. but no one except right wing talk show hosts will raise much of a fuss. al is one of the annointed ones.

Is he saying Mormons don't really believe in God? Wow, that is quite possibly the most bigoted comment I have heard about Mormons from either side of the political spectrum...

mormons have always been fair game. the double standard is unreal though.

I'm no fan of Mitt Romney - but it seems like Al gets a pass for saying absurd things.

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He was debating Hitchens about his book, god is not great. Sharpton was defending God. I don't know what he meant by this Mormon comment, except maybe Democrats are going to win anyway so Romney's Mormonism isn't an issue. But he should apologize, it's a clunky comment.

I love these late night KKK sessions. :sarcasm:

lousy human being makes one a member of the KKK?


that is an interesting world view.

If anyone, I mean anyone, says stupid things, they need to be callled on it. Sharpton is no exception. Think these three words when considering Sharpton, Tawana Brawley fiasco.

and some other insensitive things he's said if he'd own up to them.

But he continues to stonewall on his behavior regarding the Tawana Brawley fiasco, so no matter how slick and polished he may be in a debate (and I'll admit, he can be very impressive), he's always going to be a problem for me.

not that he cares of course.

...his total unwillingness to admit he was 100% wrong...

When he starts out defending his actions by saying that his tendency when it comes down to a frightened kid and a cop, to side with the frightened kid, I'm ok with that. It's understandable. But he has to follow that up with a forthright acknowledgment that he was had, lock, stock, and barrel--and he just won't do it.

Two ways to read it...
Does "really" imply that Mormons don't actually believe in God?
Or does "really" imply that those who will defeat Romney are very, very enthusiastic about God?

I think he was going for the 1st, and it is a stupid thing to say. Make a thread claiming that Pat Robertson said that about Al Gore, and DUers would be jumping all over it imo.

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'those of us who believe in God' was directed at the athiest he was debating.

maybe -maybe he was talking about the athiest chap - why even mention mormonism if not to conflate the two?

not misleading - I put out the statement he made and ask the question does he get a pass? if this were Pat robertson talking about Al Gore would Pat get a pass? the answers to those two questions SHOULD be the same. but you know they are not the same in this community on DU.

Do you know what "context" means? That's a college level word.

be honest and ask the question - if say Pat Robertson had said about Kerry "as for the catholic running - those who really believe in god will defeat him anyway." it implies a lack of belief in god and implies that there is something inherently bad about a catholic president.

If you really ask this question honestly you will be engaging in critical thinking - that's what people do in college :)

my interest is in the response to what Al said. regardless of context - had this been a sound bite from a rush or a hannity about a dem - what would the reaction on DU be? or even if this was a comment from a dem about race with similar 'don't worry the black guy won't win anyway' implications - how would you really respond to that?

the fact that the reaction is immediately defensive from some people and derisive of Al from others (and believe me I have always been impressed with Al despite his numerous daft statements over the years) is fascinating.

My hero:sarcasm:

I said my piece about him previously, and was skewered. Now I'll wait for the hypocrites to read this about him. :popcorn:


He's indefensible in his comments. And I don't care if the Religious Reich is up in arms, Mormonism is as defensible a religion as worshiping rocks or Jesus.

I'm out for the day, hit and runs are greatly appreciated.:sarcasm:

There's no way conservative Christians are going to nominate him.

Which factually incorrect.

But regardless, there's a lot of anti-Mormon crap going around from the Evangelical Christians that's probably going to keep him from getting the nomination.

Or that the Christian Conservatives, obviously, don't?

"those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways"

Confusing sentence.

But FWIW, a lot of Christian Conservatives don't embrace the LDS church ,even though its members have the highest GOP voting block of any religion. I've seen 80% plus in some places in Utah.

Context provided above- Sharpton was debating with an atheist.

Thx. Makes a lot more sense now.

Real Christians. Not Republicans.

So there's no need for anybody to wonder about the Mormon religion anyway.

they don't believe in the holy trinity, they don't believe in being saved by grace, they beleive god has a physical body etc.

of course the mormon view would be that they are the same type of christians as jesus and the original 12 band members and everyone else strayed.

Or some such shit? Regardless, the South Park boys just about hit it on the head. Whatever the case, I think the point that the Rev was trying to make was that Christian's that believe in the more traditional religious sense, and not a religion that appears to just make shit up as it goes along, will not vote for someone that follows that particular weird cult...

Needless to say the Rev inserted his foot at rapid speed into his constantly gaping mouth...

I have very little patience for most of what the Rev says...but his speechifying can be very entertaining...

Somebody made up all the sections of the Bible.

Always comforting. And I have almost a year of it ahead of me till Romney bows out or, well, let's not think about the alternative.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

..that no other bible does?

Bottom line is that no matter how much ass kissing Mittens does, the vast majority of the mouth-breathers that vote rethuglican and go to church will NOT vote for a mormon...

And get off your Huffy bike, I wasn't attacking YOUR faith, I was attacking your faith...different entirely...

We have the Book of Mormon which is a separate book from the Bible, as you would know if you took even a moment to look it up. But to each their own.

Bryant

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is easy enough to find out if you wanted to. If you prefer to just mock it, that's fine to, but I'm not interested in that particular debate.

Bryant

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

Crazy, crazy stuff in there...

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Stupid Duplicate Post.

It's all nonsense, so this fight is laughable.

It's hard to read / hear that and not think that Sharpton was implying that Mormons don't believe in God. His explanation sounds like backpedalling to me.

That said, who cares? Why is Imus even being mentioned in all this? Imus wasn't fired because Sharpton was pissed, as much as the MSM would like you to believe that.

That's what he was saying. It's astonishing to me that anybody can read the whole article and come to any other conclusion.

I am always astonished at how often two smart, well intentioned people can hear the same thing but hear two different things :)

People hear what their biases lead them to hear.

It was a clunky thing to say, he needs to apologize because of the way it came out - but the meaning is obvious except to someone who doesn't want it to be.

I thought the meaning was obvious - but different to what you saw. and I have no reason to 'want' it to mean anything one way or another.

When he said, those of us who believe in God was directed towards Hitchens

See #75.

Sharpton has always said Republicans are not any kind of Christian he's ever known. Almost every time he speaks. It's clear what he meant if you know that. He was talking about Democrats, real Christians, beating Republicans. Typical tongue-in-cheek Al.

Can't Al understand they have important work to do? Like persecuting Gays and converting dead people?

they are ghastly toward gays, but Sharpton was dead wrong here. I really wish he wouldn't have said this it only gives the MSM reason to paint Romney as a victim.

Read the entire article. He said the Democrats (real Christians, get it?) are going to win - so we don't need to be having any debates about Mormonism anyway.

I tend to apply the would I accept this explanation from a student test. Sorry but this one fails. At best this was a very poorly worded comment at worst it was exactly what it looks like.

I'm not. I don't believe Al Sharpton would ever make that kind of intentional smear against anybody - except the Republican Party. If you actually consider the source, that's the only possible explanation. He's been talking about Democrats being the real Christians for years, don't you remember?? Of course this is what he meant. Democrats, the real Christians, are going to win. So we don't need to have any discussions about Mormonism anyway.

but this was a slip - he meant what he said. and that's cool - he has his flavor of godworshipping and doesn't like Romney's brand. my interest is in the biases people bring to this. Your bias is very pro Al (as is mine) and you are making some defense of his statement - and fair enough if that is how you read it. the mormon guy who was posting has his bias and saw it the same way i did (foot in mouth revealing dislike for the mormons as not real god people), and a few folks have some viscious anti - sharpton sentiment and jumped on him right away.
also not sure what it says about my own biases as I quite like sharpton and have always been impressed by what he has to say - but I read this very differently to you and in fact have a hard time seeing how the way you see it (which to you is obvious and the only way anyone could see it - unless the 'want' to see it another way) is anything but a huge stretch. Al's 'real christian' speeches have been about poverty and social justice as ethical imperatives for believers - this was out of that ballpark.

"What I said was that we would defeat him, meaning as a Republican," Sharpton said. "A Mormon, by definition, believes in God. They don't believe in God the way I do, but by definition, they believe in God."

If you don't believe this, then you believe he's a liar. It's not a matter of seeing it the way I see it - it's a matter of believing what the man said.

Al Sharpton does not bash people of different faiths.

It's your choice. Believe his words or don't. But don't pretend it's due to some convoluted inability to read what's right in front of your face.

He says he was addressing Hitchens not Republicans as unbelievers.

They believe in the Gods. Christ is not the foundation of their faith. Joseph Smith is. Brigham Young said this himself. J.S. went so far to rewrite parts of the bible. He rewrote Genesis 1:1 to say "In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and earth". They do not believe in the blood atonement. They believe Christ was killed to atone for his own sins. They do not believe Christ was without sin. They believe the book of Mormon trumps the bible. They believe that it is possible for all who are mormon to become Gods with their own planet to rule. Read the "Pearls of great Price" and "Doctrines and Covenants". This is not a Christian faith by any stretch of the imagination.
They believe the bible is wrong on a lot of things. They believe Joseph Smith more important that Christ. These are their beliefs. All one has to do is read their scriptures as stated above. I have studied and researched this for a very long time and did not find any thing that was in line with Christianity as the apostles taught. They do not believe that one is "saved" by grace, they believe that one is "saved" by works, which is in direct contradiction to what Christ taught us.

nuff said

I believe in reincarnation, am I a bad person? Religious bigotry? On DU? I'm fucking shocked!

My daughter is a Wiccan, is she going to burn too? Or my Mon, who is Lutheran, is she not the "right" religion?

PS, I believe a helluva lot of the Bible is off the crate too.

Seriously.

also - so what?

I'm not voting for mittens because of his politics - who give a flying fig about his religion?

The LDS Church teaches that the God Head (God The Father, Jesus and The Holy Ghost) are three separate beings that work together as ONE god. (thats not the same at the trinity but its not the same as believing in multiple Gods either)



Brigham Young said Joseph Smith did more for the world save Jesus Christ. The name of the Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Everything in the Church is done in Jesus name. Im sorry but you are wrong here.




LOL, he did indeed produce a version of the Bible he never finished and the church does not use. However the above stament is 100% false. The Church of Christ (RLDS) use his translation. Here is a link to it: http://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/iv-gen.htm

here is what Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 say:

"1 And it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven and this earth; write the words which I speak.

2 I am the Beginning and the End; the Almighty God. By mine Only Begotten I created these things."




LOL, I think you got your anti-Mormon talking points mixed up.

"Through the Atonement—performed by Jesus Christ with His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by His suffering and the voluntary surrender of His life on the cross–He saves you from your sins as you sincerely repent and follow Him. ( 1 Peter 2:21) ."

http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=5e25055b23710110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4e446db0580a1110VgnVCM100000176f620a____




Jesus was perfect he had no sin. "Jesus Christ lived a perfect life while on the earth, approximately 2,000 years ago. Leading by example, He taught how to pray and how to humbly serve others, and He demonstrated the manner in which all should be baptized." same link as above.













No they believe parts of it have been translated incorrectly. As do most Christians - thats why there are different version of the bible. Never mind the whole Sun goes around the earth thing...




LOL, no this is plain out false. No one can be saved except through Jesus - this is basic LDS doctrine. LDS believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, like Moses, not a God or God.




yes and they will see you have stated above is incorrect.




Sure, and I have been a member for 36 years. Your view of christianity may not fit the LDS faith thats is fine, however stating things as facts that are not mormon believes does not help your cause.



Wrong, the Church teaches that without grace no one would be saved. That grace and works go hand in hand - both are required in LDS Doctrine.

him. I was unaware of his ability to distinguish between real God believers and fake ones. Someone needs to tell his hypocritical ass to shut up.

Who is he a bigot against?

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Try looking up what he actually said.

"As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways" - Al Sharpton

Meaning, Mitt Romney doesn't really believe in God, and those who do, will defeat him. Pathetic.

Which was as recently as 1978, btw. Amazing. I guess this is just another tragic case of reverse discrimination. :sarcasm: :cry: :nopity:

can go and fuck a horny dingo.