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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:19 AM
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Wilkerson:"Cheney Is Responsible For Whats Happening In Gulf-He destroyed the regulatory mechanisms"
Cheney's push of deregulators led to BP disaster

Wilkerson on Cheney Pt2: Cheney's support for pro-industry "regulators" maybe his main damage to America
VIDEO:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5163

WILKERSON:"If it was supervised, if it was overseen, if it was regulated by the federal government, Cheney with his marvellous bureaucratic talent moved in and essentially replaced the people who were in the positions that were central to this regulation, this oversight, with people who were either lobbyists for the industry being regulated or executives from that industry."

PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome back to The Real News Network. I'm Paul Jay in Washington. And we're talking about Vice President Dick Cheney, 46th vice president of the United States, also known as a friend of big oil. Now joining us to talk about Dick Cheney is Larry Wilkerson. He was Colin Powell's chief of staff, and he teaches national security policy in Washington. Thanks for joining us again.

...........................

LAWRENCE WILKERSON, FMR. CHIEF OF STAFF TO COLIN POWELL: Good to be here.

JAY: So talk about the dynamic of Cheney's economic alliances. He was CEO of Halliburton. He's known as a friend of oil. What are the actual mechanics of that? Like, does he actually sit—like, we've seen it in the movies; we've seen politicians sitting in rooms, you know, private clubs, with expensive cigars and nice cognac, and they talk to their political minions. What's the dynamic?

WILKERSON: It's an extraordinary dynamic, actually, and I think ultimately it's going to be more damaging to the American republic, to our country, than perhaps the Iraq War or the interrogation policies and so forth that Dick Cheney's more famous for. A book by a political scientist at Gettysburg College, Shirley Anne Warshaw, called The Co-Presidency of Bush and Cheney, documents a lot of what Cheney did to destroy about a half-century or more's regulatory work with regard to oversight of fisheries, forestry, oil, gas, minerals in general. You name it. If it was supervised, if it was overseen, if it was regulated by the federal government, Cheney with his marvellous bureaucratic talent moved in and essentially replaced the people who were in the positions that were central to this regulation, this oversight, with people who were either lobbyists for the industry being regulated or executives from that industry.

JAY: SEC is one of the examples of it.

WILKERSON: He destroyed the regulatory mechanisms in America.

JAY: Give us some examples.

WILKERSON: Well, he put—as I recall, he put a 20-year veteran of lobbying for the oil industry into the position overseeing, essentially, the regulation of offshore drilling and that sort of thing, the MMS . You name it, there's a Cheneyite there. And here's the further genius of the man. Every president since World War II, and before that, too, in different ways, has left his mark on the administration that a incoming president really can't erase very easily. Cheney did this par excellence. I mean, Cheney left, I'm told, somewhere around 1,600-plus people in the administration whom he had converted from being political or he had recruited as civil service. He converted them to civil service if they were political and left them in these positions that are very key to regulation and oversight. And those people will take a year or a year and a half, maybe even two years, for the Obama administration to root out and get rid of. First they've got to identify them, and second they've got to go through the civil service procedures to fire them, which are onerous, arduous, and difficult. So eighteen months to two years to get rid of some of them.

JAY: So you can draw a line between Cheney and what's happening with BP in the Gulf.

WILKERSON: Absolutely. Absolutely. Cheney is responsible for what's happening in the Gulf, in my view, for two very distinct reasons. One, he was CEO of Halliburton, and Halliburton was the company, I think, that was on Deep Horizon doing the cement cap which has caused so much problems because it wasn't done properly, apparently, and it exploded and allowed the oil to begin leaking. So, I mean, this is the company that he guided and ran (and he's very proud of that, as he's said many times) for several years. And he also—and I think this is a more direct responsibility—.

more:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5163
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:21 AM
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1. And the popular media react
Not unlike a dog watching a card trick. "Dick Cheney? He's not vice president anymore. How could it be his fault? More likely it's Bill Clinton's fault."
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:54 PM
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25. No, like a dog watching its beloved master
And you'd expect anything different?

Question 1 - so how old were you when you figured out the media lied to you?
Question 2 - how many years do you think it should take for it to sink it?

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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:46 AM
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33. Once upon a time, we fought and died for a Fairness Doctrine that prohibits such behavior and makes
the population safe from the harm that is caused by such
duplicity.

The rules have dropped out and the population dumbed down so
they don't know what they are missing.

Want to find the votes, do some art in the inner cities. 

Want good press?  Get the Fairness Doctrine back on the books.

I can't wait until this asswhole Obama is out and Kucinich or
someone like him is in.

Obama, like I said in earlier posts, is into his betterment in
life, not ours.

He is sold out personified and we are dupes.

Like that?  Didn't think so.

What to do?  Elect someone better in 2012.

Maybe Blogavich will be all better by then, if we follow him
and make sure his trial is open and fair.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:22 AM
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2. If the media had real journalists instead of entertainment types
they would be focusing on this and not wondering if President Obama is emotional enough. Why are criticisms of Cheney and Bush not allowed - even now?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:26 AM
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3. 18 months to 2 years?
:rofl::rofl: Try never. If they made an all-out effort from day 1, maybe by 2 years they would have the first small batch coming out. But Obama hasn'g been making that effort; he's been leaving them there -- continuity, bipartisanship, you know. Wouldn't want to replace the Secretary of Defense when you intend to muddle on exactly as before. That extends to the rest of the government. A few fresh Democrat faces, but only ones that got the lobbyist seal of approval.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 12:05 PM
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8. How do you know what he's been doing. You don't have a clue unless
you are with him 24/7 and i know that you are not.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:48 PM
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49. Come on now


Obama stated that he had not paid enough attention to revamping MMS - so are you doubting your guru?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:20 AM
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56. "Enough attention" does no equal, "zero attention." Duh. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:28 AM
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4. I wouldn't doubt it for a minute, why else is he laying low
and having his daughter do his dirty work. Fcuk Cheney.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:29 AM
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5. hes making a lot of money off of this, but it wont buy him a heart
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:32 AM
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6. Indictments. Now.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:37 PM
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10. If we aren't indicting him for lying to start a war
that has killed thousands what are the chances?

If we didn't go after him for spitefully outing an American spy and her network that was protecting us from terror, what are the chances that ruining an ocean will get him indicted?

In the words of the administration: Let's move on.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:24 PM
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15. let's look back
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Let's move on. To the next catastrophe.
Until we rehab the government there will be one after another.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:29 AM
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39. There's no moving on without removing Cheney's goons
This war criminal is beyond evil. He doesn't give a flying fuck who dies as long as he makes money.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:51 PM
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50. Fire everyone in MMS
End the dept. Then start a new one and every single person must apply. No person who was a lobbyist or worked for oil companies should be hired - period the end. Of course, that will not happen. That would require action and all this government is good for is talking a good game and doing NOTHING that benefits the masses.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:39 AM
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7. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.:thumbsup:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 12:26 PM
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9. K & f'n R! n/t
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:42 PM
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11. Yeah but Cheney is not in charge anymore.
And we still have the same policies and much of the same people running the show.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:58 PM
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18. That is the whole point.
Cheney was good at burrowing his people in. Now they are protected by civil service regulations.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:53 PM
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12. TAR AND FEATHERS
There's plenty of both down at the Gulf.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:54 PM
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13. Cheney's are one of the most vile families in this country
Let's bring back the angry mob.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:57 PM
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14. YUP! Dick destroyed America as Bush sat around jacking off.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 05:57 PM by Rex
The WORST people EVER! I can only hope they rot in hell one day, as a small payment for all their services to Stan.
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:52 PM
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17. Sorry
BP blew it in the gulf, and MMS had their head up their butt, ensuring the inevitable. My guess is it will have nothing to do with cementing (with all respect to Mr Wilkerson - he has no idea what he is talking about).

Now Obama is blowing it and the only ass-kicking will be his.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:23 PM
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19. Sorry? Really???
A big fan of Halliburton and Cheney, I take it.
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:44 PM
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20. Very intuitive of you
Where did you come up with that ?

The cementing had nothing to do with it. Watch the interviews. Transoceanic and BP blew it, and equipment failures were allowed to go unaddressed. MORE IMPORTANTLY, MMS was approving BP change requests within minutes, only 2 weeks before the disaster. I thought dick was out of office in March, but please correct me if I am wrong.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:50 PM
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22. Did you miss the part of the OP where Cheney planted his people
everywhere?

What happened at MMS was the residue of Cheney - dishonest people bowing before the altar of deregulation and working for Cheney - still.

Perhaps Obama should have asked for the resignation of every single person, political or not, hired during the Cheney/Bush years. In hindsight that's a damn good idea...
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:57 PM
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24. You have to be kidding
And the dems in congress for the last 5 years just overlooked the chance to replace repub hacks ? I guess dick's buddies in the SEC were the guys surfing porn, etc.

So, please explain which one of dick's plants approved the $90M OSHA fine of BP last November.

Oh, yeah, the good guys are ours and the bad guys are dick's. Here's a clue, they should all be fired and I would have started with Janet N (her watch had all the f-ups in Philly, Newark, Detroit, etc)

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:12 AM
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35. You Don't Know Much About Law, Do You?
Congress just can't get rid of those people. It takes a supermajority to even pursue it. And, they've got no power over civil service folks.

When you actually have a point, let us know. In the meantime, spare us your attempt to lay this blame on anywhere but its truly deserved place.

Have you noticed that now that someone is actually watching the markets, gas prices went DOWN the week before Mem. Day? Just a coinicidence, i'm sure.

You, however, probably know even less about economics and finance.
GAC
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:51 AM
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47. Hey professor
thanks for sharing your genius.

A super majority for what - to fire Janet Napolitano for f'ing up airport security or failing to control it ?
A super majority for exposing and addressing collusion and cleaning up corruption ?
Obama is prosecuting whistleblowers as we speak.

You have no clue what you are talking about ? Gas prices went down ? From what, the day before ? they are are up since last Memorial day, and up dramatically since Obama took office.

So, let's say you are correct and dick is to blame. You mean to tell me there is nothing Obama can od could have done (the dems HAD a super majorityand blew it) to clean up corruption but wait for people to retire ?

As for watching the markets, what does that have to do with gas prices ? Please, enlighten me with your genius...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:22 AM
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32. They couldn't have blown it if there had been proper
oversight. They were answerable to no one, thanks to Cheney. The MMS had so many people in it who were so close to the Oil Industry people that they just looked the other way and 'trusted' BP, which has a horrendous safety and human rights record, to do what was right. I guess some people are easily bought off and that is why we need government regulation with consequences when they fail to do their job. There are no consequences. For anything because that is how they set it up.
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:13 AM
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36. there was oversight
there are effective rules and regs on this type of process, and a review process for proposed changes. BP submitted changes to MMS and they were approved within 5 minutes (literally) with no questions or review of the consequences. BP needs to be accountable, as well as someone at MMS. The head of MMS quit and will find a cushy job somewhere else. If this is so appalling, why did Obama not even know if she quit or was fired ?

I agree that people need to be accountable, but blaming dick provides too much air cover for people in government who just refuse to do their job.

The key to your poit is "proper" oversight. more regs that are simply overlooked are useless. A few people who actually do their job would be nice - and that starts at the top of ANY organization (Haywood or Obama)...
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:54 PM
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51. How do you know cementing wasn't implicated?
Sure BP is very culpable and needs to be kicked out of the US, but didn't Haliburton blow it too? They knew it was wrong to not test, should have walked away, but instead kept on even though they knew their procedure was totally unsafe and could cause a blowout. I'd call that joint liability.
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:20 PM
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55. Facts aren't all in yet, but
If you listen to the interviews, the blow off preventer failed due to the devices attached tonthe Christmas tree (that stack of pipes and valves on the sea floor) as well as the fact that the crew pulled the pipe up (15 feet of it) with the seal closed destroying the seal. That combined with pushing the drill too fast at BP's request led to the disaster.

BP is going to declare bankruptcy next month anyway, and Tony H is a lame duck. He might as well retire to his estate and raise orchids (since he will never be held responsible) and he cashed outnstock a month beforenthe disaster.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:01 AM
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43. well you are wrong, even the bought Congress is focusing on Hollowburden's cementing
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 08:10 AM by wordpix
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/05/gulf-oil-spill-waxman-focuses-on-halliburton-cementing-job-.html

This is all over the web in a million places but good try defending Cheney's group. See you in court
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:44 PM
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21. I already reported this BACK IN APRIL
When the rig blew, and it was found that Halliburton provided the cement that is the cause of the destruction, I blogged about this last April.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/73

The bottom line: The republican party is the ULTIMATE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION responsible for this horrendous attack against humanity and the planet. Until we use RICO statutes to defeat the party financially, we will ALWAYS have accidents happening, due to republicanist geed.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:54 PM
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23. Obama & his Int Dept were WELL aware of the mess in MMS; had 18 mos to clean it up, but did zip
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:09 PM
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26. Most Americans understand Dick Cheney
is a criminal on the order of Herman Goering, he just doesn't wear that snappy uniforms.
That his daughter is as an adroit a liar as he is demonstrates that no DNA test will be necessary to prove Dick fathered the psychopath Elizabeth. The question is: Does the Cheney family deserve the Romanov treatment?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:18 PM
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30. Do we know about the women's underwear? /nt
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:35 PM
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27. K & R nt
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:01 PM
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28. K & R
:thumbsup:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:16 PM
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29. Well, this is a given. But WHERE IS the ACTION to stop and clean this shit up???
We'll be paying for the Satanic Cheney for the next 100 years,
But where are the CATALYSTs that will rebuff all the DAMAGE????
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:17 AM
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31. All Cheney appointees should be routed and booted!
Because this is an historic disaster, there should be more than firings!

Tar and feathers!! Man that really does take on a new meaning.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:29 AM
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40. The 5th labor of Hercules: The cleaning of the Augean stable (rooting out Cheney's filthy moles)
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 07:28 AM by tiptoe

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/twelvelabors/ig/12-Labors-of-Hercules/Hercules-and-the-Augean-Stable.--1a.htm


WILKERSON: Well, he put—as I recall, he put a 20-year veteran of lobbying for the oil industry into the position overseeing, essentially, the regulation of offshore drilling and that sort of thing, the MMS . You name it, there's a Cheneyite there. And here's the further genius of the man. Every president since World War II, and before that, too, in different ways, has left his mark on the administration that a incoming president really can't erase very easily. Cheney did this par excellence. I mean, Cheney left, I'm told, somewhere around 1,600-plus people in the administration whom he had converted from being political or he had recruited as civil service. He converted them to civil service if they were political and left them in these positions that are very key to regulation and oversight. And those people will take a year or a year and a half, maybe even two years, for the Obama administration to root out and get rid of. First they've got to identify them, and second they've got to go through the civil service procedures to fire them, which are onerous, arduous, and difficult. So eighteen months to two years to get rid of some of them.


I can`t hold this back any longer — democrank, 06-08-10

...
This human, wildlife and environmental catastrophe in the Gulf is nothing short of a crime and the responsibility rests on the shoulders of not only greedy, callous BP executives but every single Washington enabler and governmental "leader" that voted for, worked for, or supported deregulation in exchange for campaign backing or contributions. How the hell many more times are we going to dredge up excuses for gluttonous, shallow "leaders"? When every shrimper is sitting on the curb with a tin cup? When every textile worker ends up in a soup kitchen? We take real, good care of the fat cats (and other people that matter) in this country. Just check out some of the loopholes Congress designed. There may not be enough cash to repair the falling-down ceiling in an inner city school but there is always plenty for another bronze statue in a gerrymandered district or another load of clusterbombs.

As the oil-coated wildlife pile up in Louisiana and elsewhere (like the dead soldiers and maimed children piled up in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the drowning victims piled up in New Orleans) we should ask ourselves how much lower we`ll allow the bar to go. How many more excuses will we come up with? How many more principles will we be willing to sacrifice?

This is one old Democrat sickened and saddened by the state of my country and my party. If we keep making excuses for the corporate takeover of our party then we should forgo the outrage when the big boys get their way and there`s another disaster to deal with. Although there are many leaders that claim to be "for the working people" they almost always figure out a back room deal that favors anyone but.

The catastrophe in the Gulf should be our wake-up call. That, like the legless Iraq War veterans and the 57-year old unemployed steelworker, is in part the result of citizens asleep at their switches, lulled into Neverland by group-tested sound bites and multi-million dollar image makers.We should be ashamed of how much we`ve been willing to overlook.

I`ll bet anything there are a few older DUers that know exactly what I mean when I say how sad it is that we`ve given up so much. The oil-coated birds are much like many American citizens...devastated by the arrogance of shallow, self-serving chislers. It`s time we put a stop to it. Enough!


Reflections on Leaving the Party — by Susan Eisenhower, 08.21.2008

I have decided I can no longer be a registered Republican. For the first time in my life I announced my support for a Democratic candidate for the presidency, in February of this year. This was not an endorsement of the Democratic platform, nor was it a slap in the face to the Republican Party. It was an expression of support specifically for Senator Barack Obama. I had always intended to go back to party ranks after the election and work with my many dedicated friends and colleagues to help reshape the GOP, especially in the foreign-policy arena. But I now know I will be more effective focusing on our national and international problems than I will be in trying to reinvigorate a political organization that has already consumed nearly all of its moderate “seed corn.” And now, as the party threatens to trivialize what promised to be a serious debate on our future direction, it will alienate many young people who might have come into party ranks.

My decision came at the end of last week when it was demonstrated to the nation that McCain and this Bush White House have learned little in the last five years. They mishandled what became a crisis in the Caucusus, and this has undermined U.S. national security. At the same time, the McCain camp appears to be comfortable with running an unworthy Karl Rove–style political campaign. Will the McCain operation, and its sponsors, do anything to win?

This week, I changed my registration from Republican to independent. The two political parties as they exist today, and the partisanship that they foster, reflect the many fights of the cold war, the Vietnam era, the post–cold war and the 9/11 periods. Today we are in a different place altogether, where our security as a nation is challenged not just from abroad but also close to home. The energy, health-care and financial crises threaten our national prosperity and well-being, just as surely as any confrontation overseas or an attack by radical terrorists.

As an independent I want to be free of the constraints and burdens that have come with trying to make my own views explainable in the context of today’s party. Hijacked by a relatively small few, the GOP of today bears no resemblance to Lincoln, Roosevelt or Eisenhower’s party, or many of the other Republican administrations that came after. In my grandparents’ time, the thrust of the party was rooted in: a respect for the constitution; the defense of civil liberties; a commitment to fiscal responsibility; the pursuit and stewardship of America’s interests abroad; the use of multilateral international engagement and “soft power”; the advancement of civil rights; investment in infrastructure; environmental stewardship; the promotion of science and its discoveries; and a philosophical approach focused squarely on the future.
...


Sandra Day O'Connor has reared her head again, on May 21 2010, NY TIMES, "Take Justice Off the Ballot", proposing
 
A better system...one that strikes a balance between lifetime appointment and partisan election by providing for the open, public nomination and appointment of judges, followed in due course by a standardized judicial performance evaluation and, finally, a yes/no vote in which citizens either approve the judge or vote him out. This kind of merit selection system — now used in some form in two-thirds of states — protects the impartiality of the judiciary without sacrificing accountability.

Ahhh, how sweet. Justice O'Connor, even after retirement, still looking out for the best interests of the American people, just as she did in 2000.

Reflect on that concluding tidbit of wisdom of her analysis -- "...finally, a yes/no vote in which citizens either approve the judge or vote him out" -- in the context of GOP Election Fraud described here that shows who benefited when the difference in vote-share margin between the Exit Poll and the Vote-Count exceeded the poll's assumed ±3% MoE. The results should be 50%-Rep 50%-Dem in fair elections. Instead, Republicans are favored in the votecount. How much? Nearly exclusively:

100.0% GOP favored
 in 15 Democratic states,
25 out of 25 times between 1988 and 2004

100.0% GOP favored
 in 15 Battleground states,
25 out of 25 times between 1988 and 2004

93.8% GOP favored
 in 21 Republican states,
15 out of 16 times between 1988 and 2004

 
(If you think conservatives' Election Fraud targets merely candidates, click on the "Proposition" link at the top to learn differently from an example.)

In the context of the facts above and 'just-one-time'-Justice O'Connor's presumed ignorance of them, how can a proprosal to "...finally, a yes/no vote in which citizens either approve the judge or vote him out..." be anything less than red-carpet accommodation for extending Right-Wing ELECTION FRAUD more broadly into the judicial system under pretense of a "merit system"?

And given Proving Election Fraud establishes Bush was fraudulently re-elected in 2004 -- after he was fraudulently-selected in 2000 by O'Connor's final vote -- shouldn't the SC Justice's appointed by fraudulently-elected Presidents GW Bush and GHW Bush (p.106-108) -- Roberts, Alito and Thomas -- all resign...i.e, if they are truly Honorable?

(See chart on page 98 for a common factor characteristic of five elections, between 1968 and 2008, where Election Fraud was evident.)
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:58 AM
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34. I completely agree
cheney is the octopus with a tentacle in every example of political fukkery going on right now.
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waronbanks Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:13 AM
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37. Cheney's name has rarely been mentioned
in all the oil disaster coverage and its about time it did. Him and Bush have oil all over their hands on this one and they cant get it off. We need to go after those rat bastards for this and torture and illegal wars. Those evil fucks are still harming this nation and need to be thrown in prison.

Its time Cheney's name gets thrown into this debate and we should, as a nation demand to know what that slimy worm did in those secret energy meetings. Tell Liz to stfu because nobody cares what she has to say and go after daddy. He needs to pay for all he has done. Him and Bush both.
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:23 AM
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38. K & R n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:53 AM
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41. What pisses me off is people like Wilkerson were SILENT for YEARS!
*NOW* they speak out??


:eyes:

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:58 AM
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42. Laws and accountability are for chumps like us.
The only law that will bring Cheney to justice is Newton's Third Law as applied by S&W.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:19 AM
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44. K&R n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:28 AM
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45. We must look forward, turn the page.....
Nothing to see here. Secret meetings remain secret. Justice is just revenge.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:05 AM
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46. Yes he is. //nt
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:19 PM
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48. As much as we would all like to lay all of this at the feet of Darth Cheney, if we're really
going to be honest with ourselves, "He destroyed the regulatory mechanisms," should read, He was ALLOWED to destroy the regulatory mechanisms." He didn't do all that by himself.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:25 PM
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52. I so disagree
He and Shrub and many other RWers thought it was their destiny to end "intrusive" (read effective) government regulations. He's wasn't just allowed, he was encouraged. Even now, the Repugs are blocking action to limit the oil companies liability.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:25 PM
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53. I so disagree
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 05:25 PM by lark
He and Shrub and many other RWers thought it was their destiny to end "intrusive" (read effective) government regulations. He wasn't just allowed, he was encouraged. Even now, the Repugs are blocking action to limit the oil companies liability.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:00 PM
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54. Which refutes what I said how, exactly?
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