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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:00 PM
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Flow Rate Panel Scientist: BP won't let in scientists to make measurements on oil leak flow !
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 04:02 PM by Better Believe It



Scientists challenge BP containment claims
Cast doubt on statement that device could capture 'vast majority' of oil
June 8, 2010


Some scientists are taking issue with BP's statement that a containment cap placed over a gushing well could be capturing "the vast majority" of oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico.

"I don’t see that as being a credible claim," said Steve Wereley, associate professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University and a member of the Flow Rate Technical Group, a national panel of scientists and engineers tasked with determining the spill size.

"I do not know how BP can make that assertion when they don’t know how much oil is escaping. I would say that statement is their hope and aspiration," added Ira Leifer, a researcher in the Marine Science Institute at the University of California Santa Barbara who is also a member of the flow-rate panel.

Leifer said based on the data he's seen so far, the rate of flow from the broken well has increase since the initial April 20 explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig, which killed 11 workers. He believes BP's decision last week to sever the well's damaged riser pipe in order to install the containment cap has increased the flow by far more than the 20 percent BP and government officials had predicted.

In fact, Leifer says, the well may be spewing what BP had called before the spill its worst-case scenario — as much as 100,000 barrels a day from a freely flowing pipe.

Meantime, any statement on the proportion of oil being captured and saved from the Gulf is, like the underwater spill video feeds, murky, said Leifer.

"BP is arguing with itself. I’m happy to watch their argument but it would be much nicer if they would let in some scientists to make measurements," he said.

Read the full article at:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37573643/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:02 PM
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1. FWIW, *this* is the kind of thing where I think Obama has a key role to play.
Making sure that this kind of obstructionist nonsense doesn't happen.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:03 PM
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2. Yup. He could just publicly demand that BP cooperate with the Flow Rate Panel scientists.

No questions and not a simple request. Do it or else!
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:04 PM
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3. Agreed!
This going back and forth is pure BS. It needs to stop, and Obama can stop this crap if he wants to.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:05 PM
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4. I thought that the scientists were down there too
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:07 PM
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5. Expropriate without compensation
BP is responsible to no one but their investors.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:23 PM
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12.  "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."
This is what a corporation does. Look out for maximum profit for its investors. People are fools to think corporations should have a conscience or a heart.


Expropriate without compensation
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:11 PM
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6. who would unrec this?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:13 PM
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8. Someone who is still holding BP stock?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:14 PM
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9. The same people who argue to this day that 12K to 19k is the best "scientific" estimate. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:13 PM
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7. Last I heard. three of the four relief vents at the top of the cap are wide open....
Notice how BP won't show that view in its public feeds.

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:17 PM
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10. Its all about the bottom line
Disperse as much of the flow as possible, thus less surface cleanup costs. If they have an accurate measurement, there would be a discrepency because of that dispersed oil. Never mind that the long term damage done by the dispersed oil will be 50x worse. Out of sight, out of mind.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:17 PM
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11. once again, here's an example of what happens when corporations are too big
or are not heavily regulated. "Leave it to us...."

Yeah, leave it to you to fuck things up permanently because you are nutty sociopaths, born without a soul or that part of your brain that was supposed to prevent you from doing what the World now can see. That's why a conscience is so important to the human race as a whole, morons...!
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:49 PM
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13. Under what authority is BP banning scientists? nt

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:38 PM
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21. Under the authority that they accept the highest estimated amount.
Good for BP.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:56 PM
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14. BP rejected a plan that would have produced an independent measure of the oil flow
Gee. I wonder why they did that? BBI



Scientist: BP's Oil Spill Estimates Improbable
by Richard Harris
May 20, 2010


BP has started to provide more video to a Senate committee. But the oil company rejected a plan that would have produced an independent measure of the oil flow.

Richard Camilli of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution told the committee that he and a colleague had offered to put together an instrument for BP that uses sound waves to measure underwater oil flow. He said BP was interested for reasons related to broken equipment, not the environmental consequences. Camilli said he got an e-mail from BP at 3 a.m. May 5 essentially giving the thumbs up, but at 1 p.m. the next day, BP sent a message putting the project on hold.

"Our team was thanked politely by BP representatives for our efforts, and I've had no further communication with BP since May 6," Camilli said.

Camilli said he hoped to use the information about oil flow to help scientists measure the magnitude of a spill that's not only on the surface of the ocean but also spreading deep underwater. "Understanding and knowing the total amount of oil that has been released is going to be critical so that we know how much was on the surface, we know how much remains subsurface, and we can track it and attempt to mitigate it."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126975907
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:00 PM
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15. How long has BP (that's BRITISH Petroleum) owned the mother-fucking Gulf of Mexico?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:15 PM
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19. Apparently they believe they have own part of the Gulf since they have a lease.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:18 PM
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16. BP ain't containing shit and they know it.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:18 PM
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17. However, they are very good at spreading a lot of shit!

:)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:20 PM
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18. The don't have the right.
why aren't we treating this as a crime scene?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:41 AM
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20. Because the market would go down if this is treated as a crime.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:43 PM
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22. They need to get those measurements, it will help in a CRIMINAL case nt
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