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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:18 PM
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The Lincoln victory in Arkansas is a victory for obama as well.
Congratulations. A win is a win.

And no I still don't like Obama but a win is a win.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:21 PM
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1. huh? Did you hurt yourself spinning?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:24 PM
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2. No. Why would you say something so stupid? Nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:49 PM
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15. Not stupid at all. Just worried your spinning might cause you to injure yourself
How this is a win for Obama is curious.

Obama is for voter disenfranchisement? I think not.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:24 PM
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3. It's a victory for election fraud
and proof that DLC Democrats are as crooked as the Republicans.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:27 PM
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4. I think there is probably some good truth to that.
Still -- Licncoln is Obamas girl.

Her win is his win.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:29 PM
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5. I wouldn't call her Obama's girl, presidents never go against sitting senators from their own party
that's a well known fact and Obama only endorsed her because he had to
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:37 PM
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6. Thank you for educating me.
I would never have known so obvious a thing.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:44 PM
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8. Well your post didn't make it seem like you knew that
and I don't know why you would come to such a silly conclusion as a Lincoln victory is an Obama victory if you knew that fact. If Lincoln wins in November, which is very unlikely to happen, that can be called an Obama victory.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:44 PM
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9. I wouldn't say never, FDR actively recruited and campaigned against incumbents Dems he didn't like.
Yes, Obama has been consistent in supporting incumbents.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:48 PM
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12. Ah!!! Well my! I had no idea. Nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:56 PM
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17. Most people here don't. Wilson interfered too.LBJ did very quietly.
"In the 1918 midterm elections, for example, President Woodrow Wilson framed Democratic primaries as a referendum on the merits of his progressive domestic and pro-war agendas. He targeted conservative Southern senators, such as Mississippi’s James Vardaman, who had opposed intervention in World War I, and Georgia’s Thomas Hardwick, whom the president called a “constant and active opponent of my administration.”

Wilson successfully vanquished Vardaman and Hardwick in the primaries. His efforts remain “the only successful party purge by a 20th-century president,” according to historian John Milton Cooper Jr.

Wilson still managed to lose control of Congress in that November’s general election. Turning the midterms into a yes-or-no vote on Wilson’s vision backfired — and his administration never fully recovered.

The biggest political debacle in modern times was when President Franklin D. Roosevelt intervened in a series of 1938 midterm primaries.

FDR considered the 1938 primaries an “act of vengeance against Democrats who had betrayed him” during his 1937 court-packing fight, as Jeff Shesol, author of the new book “Supreme Power: Franklin Roosevelt vs. the Supreme Court,” said in a recent conversation."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37012.html#ixzz0qKBr8Hqi
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:49 PM
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14. Ah, the language police! yes I know, never say never ;-)
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:55 PM
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16. FDR had FAR greater "clout" within his own party then.
Still, that move was a major disaster for him. I don't recall any other President daring to try his luck at that again! I recall VP Agnew blasting a very "liberal" NY Republican, but I don't think that really counts.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:57 PM
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18. A couple of them went to the extreme. Obama pales in comparison in my opinion.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:48 AM
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22. I'm not talking about his "court-packing" plan, which actually had the desired effect.
I'm referring to arch-conservative Democrats ("Blue Dogs"?). Here's from Wiki:

Determined to overcome the opposition of conservative Democrats in Congress (mostly from the South), Roosevelt involved himself in the 1938 Democratic primaries, actively campaigning for challengers who were more supportive of New Deal reform. His targets denounced Roosevelt for trying to take over the Democratic party and used the argument that they were independent to win reelection. Roosevelt failed badly, managing to defeat only one target, a conservative Democrat from New York City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt#Second_term.2C_1937.E2.80.931941

Compared to Obama, FDR held a lot more high cards in his hand. I too would have liked for Obama to have been a lot more kick-ass, but that's how he presented himself in the campaign, and that's what I (a 'lapsed anarchist"!) voted for two years ago. My confidence in his judgment & timing is still largely intact.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:37 PM
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7. That also sounds kind of sexist - but It doesn't bother me personally.
:rofl:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:45 PM
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10. I'm confused. Was Lincoln running against a Republican in the Democratic primary? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:47 PM
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11. No, she was playing the part of the Republican.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:48 PM
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13. No, she was running against the Unions.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:58 PM
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19. Yay.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:05 PM
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20. Indeed. Yay. Nt
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:08 PM
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21. she's the only one with a prayer of winning
only way a Democrat to win in Arkansas is with a moderate who isn't going to vote with the left's base on 1/2 the issues.
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