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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:33 AM
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What can the President/Government do about the oil spill?
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 11:28 AM by mzmolly
Seriously, what can we do? Do we hire independent experts and hope they can correct the problem somehow? If we do, who assumes liability for any and all oil that continues to spew into the ocean while we fiddle around trying to fix this disaster? I fear that if the Government steps in, we'll end up with a he said/she said and BP will do everything they can to prevent paying for this calamity. I just don't see a way out of this aside from allowing BP to continue their futile attempts to clean up their frikken mess. However, I'm open to ideas. Anyone?

:shrug:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:36 AM
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1. What does the government have on its shelf that could be used?
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 10:38 AM by Rosa Luxemburg
NOAA’s Oil Spill Response Effort in the Gulf of Mexico



As the nation’s leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the BP spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations.

We have mobilized experts from across the agency to help contain the spreading oil spill and protect the Gulf of Mexico’s many marine mammals, sea turtles, fish, shellfish and other endangered marine life.

NOAA spill specialists are advising the U.S. Coast Guard on cleanup options as well as advising all affected federal, state and local partners on sensitive marine resources at risk in this area of the Gulf of Mexico. Additionally:


NOAA is predicting the oil spill’s trajectory and the path of the layers of oil floating on the surface. OR&R experts are conducting aerial surveys to update trajectory maps and visually track the movement of the spill.

NOAA’s National Weather Service is providing regular weather forecasts to a joint federal command center in Louisiana to facilitate operations planning and response efforts.

Experienced marine mammal spotters from NOAA’s Southeast Fisheries Science Center are participating in surveillance flights flown by the Office of Marine and Aviation Operations to assess the species and populations that may come in contact with the spill.

NOAA also is using experimental satellite data from our Satellite Analysis Branch to survey the extent of spill-related marine pollution.
As a major partner in the federal response to this evolving incident, NOAA will continue to provide the necessary coastal and marine expertise required for sound, timely decision-making and help protect the affected Gulf Coast communities and coastal marine environment.


Line Office Contributions

NOAA is a vital part of the massive response effort on the Deepwater Horizon incident. Many personnel are on-scene and many more are engaged remotely, as follows:

Office of Response and Restoration (OR&R)


Scientific support to the U.S. Coast Guard and Unified Command

Emergency Response Division (ERD)

Predict where the oil is going and its effects

Overflight observations and mapping

Identify resources at risk

Predict fate (chemical changes) of oil

Recommend appropriate clean-up methods

Manage data and information

Assessment and Restoration Division (ARD)

Plan for assessment of injuries to natural resources

Coordinate with state and federal trustees

Implement sampling plans

http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/topic_subtopic_entry.php?RECORD_KEY(entry_subtopic_topic)=entry_id,subtopic_id,topic_id&entry_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=811&subtopic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=2&topic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=1




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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:12 AM
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4. This is what is being done
currently, yes.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:29 PM
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33. My friend's sister works for NOAA in Key West
and they're right in the middle of everything. I would imagine that the government is doing everything that they can, short of sending in the military. Even then, we have submarines that could take sonar profiles of the oil, but I don't think that they have any different mini-subs than are currently in use.

Where are people like the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute? Where are the people that have these deep-diving submarines? Can we leverage the Japanese sub that went down to the Marianas Trench to get readings?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:10 AM
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38. I think that they could bring in more people from other countries
there must be something secret down there! Maybe BP is hiding nuclear warheads :evilgrin:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:40 AM
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2. for one thing, they could provide escorts for members of the press...
...so accurate coverage of the situation could commence...
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:32 PM
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34. or just tell BP we do have a First Amendment & they'll be prosecuted for preventing freedom of press
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:40 AM
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3. I don't think we actually have any particular technology to do
a lot. What we can do is monitor the spill and direct action to areas that need it. That process is still in the early stages, but is accelerating.

The technology is in the hands of industry. Nothing will happen overnight. Of that much, at least, I'm certain.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:13 AM
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5. I agree.
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 11:14 AM by mzmolly
I do wish the media would point out that we're unfortunately at the mercy of the very industry that caused the ongoing catastrophe. :(
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:36 AM
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6. First, take away decisions from BP.
Second, start criminal AND civil prosecutions of BP.

Third, stop BP from taking actions that make things worse.

Fourth, pray that a relief well works, and devote all profits from such a well to support cleanup efforts.

Fifth, probably nothing.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:23 PM
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7. Take away liability?
I fear that's what would happen if we did the first. I appreciate your ideas. I just think it's a very complex issue.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:55 PM
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31. The liability was created when their actions caused the disaster.
If I spilled a quart of oil into the gulf in front of a cop I'd be arrested. BP's 30 year record of negligence and lies about oil containment are signs their actions were premeditated negligence. But I would be arrested, while BP is running free.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:22 PM
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32. They're considering
bankruptcy regardless. So your solution may be the end result. I agree "arrest BP" ... or something like that. ;)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:29 PM
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8. This is apparently what people want

and
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:54 PM
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9. HA!
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 12:56 PM by mzmolly
A show ... That makes sense! Now, we just need to set the dancing Obama to some music. Hope you don't mind my borrowing him for a while while I snap my fingers to some BB King? ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0fTMRX6MLA



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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:04 PM
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10. Have him
he's all yours - I can't remember where I found him, but he's cute :D
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:05 PM
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11. Nothing. They are totally powerless.
n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:10 PM
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12. What could Bush have done during Katrina?
I remember that we damned him for not doing anything for New Orleans, but now that the shoe's on the other foot, we have no problem with Obama not doing anything???

Obama could have sent in troops (National Guard) very early on to help build sand berms that may have protected the marsh ecosystem from the oil that has now crept it. Obama could also have ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to permit Louisiana to dredge sand from nearby areas to build temporary barrier islands to protect said same marsh ecosystem. The ACoE has dragged their feet granting the permits to allow LA to build these sand berms, but Obama had no problem allowing Salazar to permit drilling contracts without proper licenses and emergency protocol.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:12 PM
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14. Not strummed guitar and sing while people drowned?
That would have been a good start.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:14 PM
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15. Did you not see John Stewart? He showed Obama hosting basketball teams at the WH?
he also showed dinners thrown in other people's honor.....

Screw appearances, he should have forced the Army Corps to allow the sand berm
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:09 PM
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19. There is no comparison
between Katrina and this disaster, no matter how much Republicans wish it were so.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:25 PM
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25. 9.23 on the Lame-Ometer, Bush could've sent aide Obama has already done such things
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:08 PM
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18. Food, water, helecopters.
You know, rescue efforts. Also, how the heck does the national guard stop oil? How long does it take to build barriers that you say are being delayed?
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:10 PM
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13. How often does this kind of thing have to be addressed?
Every day there are a few posts like this. Place BP in receivership.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:10 PM
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20. Can you point me to the thread
where you've given an answer? Thanks.

I've not seen several threads like this one, personally.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:25 PM
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26. K, we're talking about STOPPING the leak right?! How does that stop the leak? TIA
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 04:25 PM by uponit7771
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:20 PM
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16. The President can install severe regulations upon all corporations
and we need that desperately. Desperately.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:23 PM
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17. Obama is doing everything that can possibly be done.
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 01:23 PM by yodoobo
Which is a hard enough job without a bunch of people second guessing and undermining him.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:12 PM
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21. LMFAO.. yeah everything possible that can't hurt him politically or hurt BP financially
What a crock of shit. The only fucking reason this problem isn't solved yet is because the people in charge of solving it are either politically or financially dependent on the outcome.

You want to solve this crisis? Get rid of the politics and money. You remove any financial and political considerations and this could have been dealt with already. There are many experts in the world who have not been called in because it's not politically expedient or affordable.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:39 PM
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23. I think the only thing Obama could have done was try to
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:40 PM by mzmolly
reinstate regulations dismantled under Cheney/Bush prior to such a disaster.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:25 PM
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22. They suck. Stick their faces in the gulf. Clean-up solved.
I'm joking, but that seems to be the sentiment of many here. I think they're probably doing everything they possibly can, under the circumstances.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:03 PM
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24. Promote serious conservation efforts so it doesn't happen again
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:46 PM
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28. I'm on board with that.
:(
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:26 PM
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27. *******NOTHING!!!!********* 99% of suggestion made do NOT *STOP* the leak at all
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:53 PM
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29. Yes, we hire independent experts and BP is accountable to them.
And BP remains liable for all the expense. It's not that complicated. The water on how that works is being muddied to allow BP to continue to sandbag on an effective cleanup to save money.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:22 PM
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30. Sure, and BP will agree to this right?
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 08:36 PM by mzmolly
Or will there be a long, costly, protracted court fight? I just read that they're considering bankruptcy, that ought to help. :crazy:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:23 PM
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36. BP is legally liable whether they like it or not.
But I'm sure they appreciate any support they can get in resisting bringing in the guys who can get the cleanup moving. They are likely to bankrupt no matter what happens. Perhaps I should add seizing their assets to the list of what needs to be done.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:24 AM
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39. And if they file bankruptcy what does that mean exactly?
Nada. I like the idea of seizing assets, but that would involve cooperation from the courts here and in the UK I'd imagine?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:37 PM
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35. Obama needs to order/contract oil tanker(s) in the area onsite - BP's running out of storage
space for the oil it's getting from the new pipe and says a 2nd tanker cannot be brought in until mid-June.

O should also ensure that boom be monitored and fixed when it's no longer working! Or BP will be fined extra for not adhering to its permit.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:29 PM
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37. Needed to be done at the jump. BP didn't want to spend the money & they've gotten away with it
We need to get the super tankers in and hand the bill to BP.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:26 AM
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40. That sounds good, but to my understanding it would be more for show
than anything given the amount of oil. :shrug:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:00 AM
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41. Short of taking over the capping operation, there's a lot the feds could be doing...
... from insuring a more accurate, trustworthy estimate of the rate and accumulation of spillage, to a much improved cleanup operation. And the Coast Guard should be embedding journalists in their operation to make sure we're getting as much information as possible. Right now, it just seems like the feds are an arm of BP's PR operation, assisting in the stifling of the information flow.

Here's one person's (profane) view on the booming operation to date... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrOYoE-Hrp4
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