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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:25 AM
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Toon "How on Earth could her profession defend her?"
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:27 AM
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1. So, the toon's trying to say her first amendment rights were violated?
Pretty stupid cartoon in that case.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:30 AM
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5. VERY stupid cartoon.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:27 AM
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2. She let the frustration of the conflict get the better of her.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:27 AM
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3. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, n2doc.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:29 AM
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4. rec'd
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:30 AM
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6. She exercised her freedom of speech quite well. This cartoon makes no sense.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:35 AM
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7. I think that's the point. The artist suggests her profession should have defended her. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:39 AM
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8. Well, sure. A columnist can say anything she wants.
That doesn't mean her employer has to support it. I still don't get it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:47 AM
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9. That begs the question, why doesn't the employer support it?
Are there governmental external undercurrents dictating support from non-support?



http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/07/washington/index.html

Our hard-core, adversarial press corps.

UPDATE: As for the Helen Thomas condemnation fest and subsequent resignation today, the central issue -- as both my Salon colleague Gabriel Winant and The American Prospect's Adam Serwer adeptly document -- is not the perception that she's guilty of bigotry, but the wrong kind of bigotry. Anyone who doubts that should compare the cheap, easy and self-righteous outrage orgy against the powerless, 89-year-old columnist to the total non-reaction in the face of the incessant and ongoing anti-Arab bigotry of The New Republic's Marty Peretz, or to the demands of then-House Majority Leader Dick Armey that the Palestinians leave the West Bank and go back to where they came from, and similar statements from Mike Huckabee (still gainfully employed at Fox News).

That's because, as I wrote the last time Peretz had one of his vicious anti-Arab rants, severe punishment is meted out to those who engage in the wrong kind of prejudice while those who spout the right kind do so with total impunity. That, and the fact that there are consequences for the actions only of the powerless in Washington, but never the powerful. Then again, look at the bright side: with Thomas banished, White House press briefings and presidential news conferences will be much friendlier and more harmonious with the amiable, star-struck Ed Henrys remaining in place.




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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:49 AM
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10. If you own the printing press, you don't have to have any reason at all.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:05 PM
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12. There are two areas for discussion here one is legal and the other is ethical.
When governmnet co-mingles with the press, whether it's David Gregory dancing with Karl Rove or water parties, the adverse effect in regards to abridging freedom of speech can be the same with some subjects becoming taboo, while others of equal distaste are ignored.

Peer pressure doesn't end in high school.



Today, The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, who often passes along White House thinking under the cover of anonymity, confesses that he, too, attended the water party, and also posted a short video he took of Rahm Emanuel frolicking with a squirt gun along with party participants Wolf Blitzer (the former AIPAC official and current CNN anchor) and The New York Times' David Sanger (who faithfully regurgitates every administration fear-mongering claim regarding the Iranian nuclear program):



About all of this, Ambinder writes:


Does an afternoon of leisure with senior administration officials violate journalistic ethics? To many, the self-evident answer is: "Absolutely." I have a different view, although perhaps it's a way to rationalize my own decision to attend the Bidens' first beach party for journalists. . . .


Yes, "perhaps." I personally don't think that these types of interactions "violate journalistic ethics" because I don't think such a thing exists for them. Rather, all of this just helpfully reveals what our nation's leading "journalists" really are: desperate worshipers of political power who are far more eager to be part of it and to serve it than to act as adversarial checks against it -- and who, in fact, are Royal Court Spokespeople regardless of which monarch is ruling. That's why they're invited into the heart of Versailles to frolic with the King's most trusted aides: it's their reward for loyal service as Court courtiers. Just marvel at the self-abasing joy in which Ed Henry wallows by virtue of getting to play water sports with Emanuel and the Bidens. He sounds like a gushing pre-adolescent who just met his favorite boy band idol and got his water gun signed. Digby asks, quite rhetorically: "do you think this sort of thing makes it easier or more difficult for journalists to maintain their independence?"

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:48 PM
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17. But the castle is labeled "First Amendment". If her profession were to defend her, it wouldn't
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 12:48 PM by Hosnon
be by reference to the First Amendment (as those rights were not violated in any way).
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:10 PM
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20. In fact, many journalists are told by their employers to not exercise their own personal first
amendment rights.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:07 PM
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13. It is pointing out the irony of her freedom to say her opinion/snark ....


And nobody standing up to defend those legal rights.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:32 PM
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15. But her right was not threatened.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:37 PM
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16. Just look at what happened. She is gone.. nt
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 12:37 PM by wroberts189
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:51 PM
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18. It doesn't appear the government had any hand in that decision though.
If Cal Thomas goes on the air and vehemently advocates the execution of all black people, FOXNews' firing of him would not be a violation of his First Amendment rights.

The key here is the lack of governmental action.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:58 PM
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19. You may be conflating...
You may be conflating "freedom of speech" with "zero consequences."
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:55 AM
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11. Only those who lean Left ever get Deaned. nt
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:09 PM
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14. +1 ...I would even say setup. nt
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