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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:36 PM
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Poll question: Aren't Republicans and teabaggers the same thing?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031503730.html

By Dana Milbank

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Dick Armey is intellectually versatile: The former leader of House Republicans went from being a rainmaker for a Washington lobbying firm to being the unofficial leader of the anti-Washington "tea party" movement.

But his latest avocation, historian of early America, may be his most intriguing role yet. As head of FreedomWorks, the group that helps to fund and coordinate tea party activists, Armey went to the National Press Club on Monday afternoon in advance of Tuesday's tea party protest in Washington, to present some of his historical findings.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Armey

Dick Armey

Richard Keith "Dick" Armey (pronounced /ˈɑrmi/; born July 7, 1940 in Cando, North Dakota) is a former U.S. Representative from Texas's 26th congressional district (1985–2003) and House Majority Leader (1995–2003). He was one of the engineers of the "Republican Revolution" of the 1990s, in which Republicans were elected to majorities of both houses of Congress for the first time in four decades. Armey was one of the chief authors of the Contract with America. Armey is also an author and former professor. After his congressional career he worked as a consultant and advisor.


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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:42 PM
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1. Wholly owned subset
All baggers are Pubs. But not all pubs are baggers.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:15 PM
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12. They are one and the same.
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ProgressiveVictory Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:14 PM
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17. i would say you are wrong from knowing people who are baggers.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:53 PM
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20. Yeah, some may not identify as Republicans because they think the Republicans are not RW enough. -nt
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:43 PM
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2. Not really.
Sure, the 'baggers would rather rape a newborn lamb than vote for a Democrat. However, I like the way they tank the chances of viable Republican candidates in favor of crazy-assed weirdos.

Ya know how they keep looking forward to a big win in November? This is going to be fun.

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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:51 PM
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5. Yep, the baggers are the albatross around the neocon repub's neck. nt
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:44 PM
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3. It's just part of the rebranding effort after post W 2008 meltdown
Yes there is no difference. It is all marketing.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:52 PM
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6. Ding Ding Ding -- We have a winner!
The GOP brand name was toxic after the Obama win, so Armey and the other GOP strategists devised the Tea Party as the "New and Improved" GOP as a means to harness all the conservative hatred of Obama and his legislative agenda in order to beat the Dems at the ballot box.

When all is said and done, the only difference between the Tea Party and the GOP is the former will occasionally take a shot at the GOP, but not often. Remember the screaming fits the teabaggers launched at the town hall forums if someone ragged on GWBush? When all is said and done, the teabaggers don't blast the GOP as much as Dems do their own party.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:51 PM
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4. No
Teabaggers are like the peasants who "found a witch" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They're a mob driven by hatred.

Overall though, Republicans are a mob driven by greed.

So there's a difference.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:12 PM
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10. Who do you think most of them voted for in 2000 and 2004 for president?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:26 PM
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15. Oh, all teabaggers are Reoublicans
But not all Republicans are teabaggers, is what I'm getting at
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:53 PM
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7. A Lady Was Collecting GOP Signatures @ Safeway
my friend and I decided we'd tell her we were "teabaggers" and she said, so you're Republicans?

I'd say yes, they are the same, even they admit it.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:07 PM
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8. I think most tea oartiers are Republican, but not all Republicans are tea partiers
I'm sure there are some tea partiers who are libertarians.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:08 PM
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9. thats what i thought
same things
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:12 PM
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11. If I answer "no", then they are the same?
Your subject line is not clear. I did not vote. I think they are the same identity.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:18 PM
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13. No, I don't think they are
I know many moderate conservatives who think the Tea Party is the worst thing that's happened to the GOP in decades and fear it may fracture the party (or result in a number of third-party tea party candidates running in house/senate elections that would split the conservative vote).

My dad is one. He generally votes Republican but is fairly moderate, especially in terms of social issues. He can't stand tea baggers, Palin, etc. and (on the plus side) it has encouraged him to take a longer look at politics and move him to the left (or, maybe it would be better to say he has generally stayed put on the political scale while conservatives as a whole move further right).
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:25 PM
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14. It's a corporate media construct; created and magnified in order allow disaffected Republicans a
place to vent while actually believing they've left the Republican Corporatist Party.

Re-branding as in Blackwater/Xe with about the same substantive change, once those former Republicans ie: Dick Armey and his ilk come to power as Tea Partiers, they will still be corporate supremacists through and through, a leopard can't change it's spots and neither will they.

Any legitmate Populist sentiment in the Tea Party movement will be sorely dissappointed.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:11 PM
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16. They are now, but they didn't begin that way!
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:26 PM
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18. Pretty much
It's even gone so far that Sarah Palin warned tea partiers at a rally (for a $100,000 speaking fee I might add), that "we're a two party system" and it's time to "pick a side." GOP money has been rolling in immediately after Obama's election.

In reality the tea parties aren't really about any real ideology. They're anti-Obama rallies mainly, but also anti-Democratic in general. All these side issues like "small government" and "lower taxes" are just smokescreen. And BTW, middle class taxes are the lowest they've been in 50 years.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:33 PM
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19. I would say most tea baggers are Republican or Libertarian
but not all Repukes are tea baggers. Some Republicans are neo-cons and paleo-cons. I think the tea baggers are basically knuckle dragging imbeciles that are too stupid to even fit into the paleo-con or neo-con mold.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:19 PM
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21. Losing consciousness, they became one thing
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:25 PM
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22. At heart or in name?
Rand Paul is a Libertarian teabagger nut, as is his father. Yet both now use the label Republican now. The GOP is actually in a position to lose several seats to teabaggers this year. Even though they're running under the same party they're not the ones getting the formal support from the GOP.

So are they the same? Not really, and yes.

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