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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:56 AM
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What happens if/when BP declares bankruptcy??
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:57 AM
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1. Unlikely to happen
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 08:58 AM by dipsydoodle
now that the Chinese are looking at buying it.

Other than that you'd be completely fucked.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:05 AM
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2. before bankruptcy they will prolly spin off a made up division, protecting the mother ship
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:08 AM
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3. Debtors make claim on the assets
In the case of US government fines for bad actions, they are in the front of the line after the IRS.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:10 AM
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4. But that's only in the USA
and you need more than that.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:14 AM
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5. Odd you mention that
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:15 AM by AllentownJake
The Government has a wonderful ability of tracking down and freezing assets of people in other countries. Wonder if they have the same ability here.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:17 AM
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6. Good luck
with Russia and China.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:20 AM
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7. Paper tigers
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:21 AM by AllentownJake
Honestly, I laugh when they are mentioned. China is one step away from a revolution in most of its territory everyday and Russia...well they have their own issues.

Most of their military is defensive against their own people, not offensive against a 3rd party.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:33 AM
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9. I'm guessing
that most of their fixed assets, regardless of where they are physically , are rather large lumps of metal which in BP's day to day business may help generate large profits but out of thsat context become almost valueless.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:36 AM
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10. I'm guessing everyone is shitting their pants over a BP bankruptcy
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:39 AM by AllentownJake
Seeing they are the 4th largest corporation in the world, have tons of paper floating around, and probably have more than a few exotic financial instruments written based on said paper.

:-)

Therefore it is speculative nonsense because my guess is they would at the least take down the British banking system with them and I doubt politicians on either side of the pond would like that very much. Not very much at all.

China and Russia please. Manhattan and London.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:25 AM
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8. Under the Defense Production Act of 1950... the President could seize BP Assets..
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:29 AM by lib2DaBone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act


...BP U.S. Assets... Cash.. in-ground reserves, etc.

Mr. Obama will never do that.. but it would be nice to make sure that all the people who lost their homes and businesses in Gulf disaster would be compensated.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:43 AM
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11. BP is unlikely to file bankruptcy. People just don't realize how insanely profitable oil is.
There are two possible reasons for bankruptcy:

a) because BP has to seek bankruptcy protection.
Any claims and/or fines won't be due on day 1. BP will likely pay them over course of a decade meaning the affect on cashflow will be minimal. BP generated $25 billion in pre-tax profit last year and will do so again as long as average price of oil remains above $65 this year (almost guaranteed).

Even if the total cost (fines, mitigation, long term cleanup, damages, etc) is huge say $100 billion BP is only liable for 60% of that. BP is a partial owner of the well so that is $60B. Say BP pays it over a decade that is $6B annually which is less than they pay out in dividends.

b) BP files bankruptcy because it is profitable to do so.
I doubt BP will do this. Not because they are ethical, or nice but because US oil fields are off the charts profitable for companies. US govt gets about 12% of gross profits from US oil fields. The global average is 80%. Nigeria for example takes 94%. Thus US oil fields are worth a lot more to oil companies than any other country. If BP were to pull some legal tricks to get into bankruptcy they likely would lose US leases and potential for future leases and that in the long run (next century) could be worth trillions.

Now the more likely thing is BP tries to play court games (aka Exxon) and delay & reduce claims. Try to drive hard bargains and force people (who likely are suffering financially and may have no other choice) to accept reduced out of court settlements. Like someone who suffers million dollars in damages to his/her business. BP ties it up in court so they won't see a nickle for a decade. Then tells them they will settle for $280,000 right now. The guy has business debt, payroll, taxes. He needs the cashflow now. $280,000 is a ripoff but he likely won't survive a decade to collect the million. So he signs.

Crappy but that is exactly what Exxon did. Everyone knows the court settlement of punitive damages got reduced from $5B to $500M however what they forget is Exxon settle 90%+ of claims out of court and most of them were pennies on the dollar.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:44 AM
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12. c) A BP bankruptcy would take down Great Britain
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 09:45 AM by AllentownJake
Their banking system is in the shitter already. Would pretty much push them down the hole. British banking system goes down, ours follows.

Cue Paulson and the suicide bomber vest to visit congress again, Geithner doesn't look as scary or can't be taken as serious.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:58 AM
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13. Bankruptcy doesn't mean BP ceases to exist.
GM filed bankruptcy and emerged with minimal disruption on the other hand you have Lehman Brothers.

All depends on how the bankruptcy is structured. It is unlikely that situation would get so chaotic that BP would have a disorderly bankruptcy which brings down the UK.

Still I think it is a moot point because BP won't file bankruptcy because it is both not necessary and would exclude them from the ultra profitable US oil fields (we are suckers).
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:59 AM
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14. I think you aren't getting my point
BP is the 4th largest corprorate entity in the world. Take what happened when tiny little Greece started having financial problems and extrapolate.
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:39 AM
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16. Yeah, it doesn't make sense
BP also has significant cash reserves. As Statistical points out, they'll fight every payment in the courts. After a few years, they are banking on the will not being there to keep the pressure up.

Based on Exxon and other corporate malfeasance cases, that bet is probably a good one.

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Gregin Orlando Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:23 AM
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15. BP could not cover the entire cost of their oil disaster
Not only is more oil leaking than we have been told by the corporations and their corporate media, there may be up to three oil leaks in the gulf in addition to the three at the Deepwater Horizon site. Furthermore, this means more than just fouled beaches and dead marine life. Oil can clog the intakes of water from the Gulf that is used to cool coal and nuclear power plants, resulting in power outages. It can also clog the intakes of desalinization plants that use reverse osmosis to produce drinking for cities on the GUlf coast. For more information, check out: http://www.examiner.com/x-38220-Orlando-Independent-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Satellite-imagery-shows-up-to-three-oil-leaks-in-Gulf-FL-power-and-water-supplies-may-be-at-risk
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:44 AM
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18. The other leaking wells are not owned by BP. How would BP be liable for other companies wells? n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:42 AM
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17. The officers and directors will retire wealthy.



And the drones will get the shaft. That's the way it always works out.



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