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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 05:42 PM Original message |
Daniel Ellsberg: "'Obama Deceives the Public" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama says he will not "look backward.". |
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burnsei sensei (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
90. Those who refuse to look back |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. Pelosi, Waxman, Conyers....all those we relied on say: "We will not look backward to the Mistakes |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. k&r! nt |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. Apparwently lots of what was said about this got deleted, so I will only say, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. So we can back-date prosecutions for releasing info to reporters, but not for actual torturers. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. . |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Atty. General (Bag) Holder |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. super selective 'looking backward'...."Obama....is doing....worse than Bush" |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
73. He's not as bad, but he isn't worthy of another vote either. |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Agreed |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thank you Daniel Ellsberg. |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. kick |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. wow... the wheels are coming off the wagon |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. he has never deceived me |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. There are many who need to believe. Absolutely need to, but you're right. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
114. I understand how many people needed to believe |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. It was a choice between him and Hilary. |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Same here. A few of us were fully aware of what he really stood for. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. I'm ashamed to say he deceived me for the first |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. No, you only deceive yourself. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Uhmmm yeeeeeah.... that didn't sound Orwellian at all... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Ah yeah... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 03:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
113. keep telling yourself that |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
45. +1 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
55. We wanted to believe. |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. if our media won't be focused on this I hope foreign ones will, as it is a grave injustice |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. kick for teh DU |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. This is preposterous. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I guess we'll find out. /nt |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. Hmmm, I'd never heard of Thomas Drake before. Interesting. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm sure "nobody could've predicted" that, as the mid-terms rolled up, |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
21. K&R willful blindness will not do, folks. |
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laurel46 (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. why is this guy lying and smearing the president? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Ellsberg doesn't lie. How old are you? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The Pentagon Papers author now a "lying a-hole" for dissing Obama! |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Mind boggling, isn't it?! |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Ellsberg was a few years before my time |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Good for you, Dawson. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #29 |
64. yes I concur..thank you Dawson for caring enough to know this nations history! eom |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
63. the age question is an easy one...but what i wonder is ..have any of these types read a damn history |
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laurel46 (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
84. hi individualist, I am 46 and a senior research associate from UCLA. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. He's an 'a-hole'! Daniel Ellsberg never really loved Obama! |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Ellsberg an a-hole ? patently false? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. LOL, it took long enough... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Wow. What a . . . silly comment |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. You people just can't face reality, even when the most venerable of critics speaks. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. She's "calling out" Daniel Ellsberg |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Oh, please. Daniel Ellsberg is not dreamy at all. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. He Can't even Body Surf |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. And not even once have we seen him wearing cool sunglasses. n/t |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
83. Now that's funny. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. I fully grok where you are coming from, |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I saw him recently |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. The 60's? Ewwww! That was, like, you know, like so long ago, you know. n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. LOL! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
111. whats sad about using this as a joke |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. My goodness-- there's no more room under this bus! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Fear not! There is room for all under the Hopemobile! n/t |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. A new bus is being constructed from the debris leftover from the Hope and change rhetoric. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
92. It's A Crowded SOB, Isn't It? (nt) |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
60. Quote:" Call these a-holes out by fact checking"....may i suggest you do some fact checking on who |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
89. She's 46 and a senior research associate |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. Fucking low standards at UCLA these days... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #100 |
121. ! |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
68. read up on the pentagon papers.. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
70. I'll believe Ellsberg over O --- |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
74. Are you going to respond to anyone above? Well??? n/t |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
78. What has he done for "us" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
98. Do you even know who Daniel Ellsberg is? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
102. Which "countries have attacked us in multiple ways"? nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. 'Also, an American was assassinated by our friend!' |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #109 |
115. an ignorant fantasist, |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
124. Do you not seriously know who "this guy" Danial Elleberg is? |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. If one didn't know better, one might start to wonder if BHO is a way-out-in-right field |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Deleted sub-thread |
mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
97. No, he's simply a Clinton-style democrat who ran as a liberal and sold-out to the |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
119. If it was 1980 he would be. n/t |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. we all know how unpatriotic he was when he leaked the Pentagon papers |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Did Ellsberg prefer Palin/McCain? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. A real DUzy! nt |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. He tells you himself, right at the top. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Ellsberg speaks for me. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
66. good one!! eom |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
72. No, he would have preferred a Democrat, if available. n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Bada Bing!! ..eom |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Most of us would have. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
95. Ellesberg prefers Mao!!! |
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Hatchling (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
86. Definitely unpatriotic! |
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Zoroastor (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. I don't know enough... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I think he meant... |
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Zoroastor (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
108. All true, but... |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
43. dem changes n/t |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
46. Oh Puh-leaze. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. total crap. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
103. Nice selectivity. Must be convenient to argue by misquoting. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #103 |
112. i re-read your post and i stand by everything i said. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Sorry, but... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
105. In case you haven't noticed, law is complicated. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. it's all the italics, bolding and all-caps that make this so persuasive |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. I don't trust any post without links to unrelated articles on the internet... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #88 |
116. blahahahaha! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. indeed. I'm impressed! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
117. i'm dazzled. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
106. Glad you like that. Got another one for you; |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
120. Like torturers? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Obama should order the DoJ not to prosecute torturers? I totally disagree with that. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
50. I remember when Democrats fought the right wing to pass and enforce whistle blower protections. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
65. Everyday there's another reason to regret my vote. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. All I have to do is think of McNutso-Palin and my voters' remorse lifts. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. That's what breaks my heart the most. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
101. +1.. this should have been historic. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Totally agree. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
118. I agree. He may be squandering a vast opportunity. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. well, like you, I'm disappointed in the WH overall. I won't regret my final vote over McSame, but, |
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SILVER__FOX52 (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
80. Every day, a little more of the....... |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
94. The oligaarchy rolls on... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. oiligarchy too |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
107. How sad, and how the MSM ensures Obama will not be called out, they |
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