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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:39 PM
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Was Sharpton's comments about Romney appalling?
“It is terribly disheartening and disappointing to hear Reverend Sharpton offer such appalling comments about a fellow American’s faith,” said Romney spokesman Kevin Madden. “America is a nation of many faiths and common values, and bigotry toward anyone because of their beliefs is unacceptable.”

Sharpton denies questioning Romney’s beliefs
Democrat says he was drawing difference between himself, atheist author

Updated: 8:54 a.m. CT May 9, 2007

BOSTON - The Rev. Al Sharpton, who recently urged that radio host Don Imus be fired for making a racially insensitive remark, said in a debate that “those of us who believe in God” will defeat Republican Mitt Romney for the White House. But Sharpton denied he was questioning the Mormon’s own belief in God.

Rather, the New York Democrat said he was contrasting himself with Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author he was debating at the time.

“As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don’t worry about that; that’s a temporary situation,” Sharpton said Monday during a debate with Hitchens at the New York Public Library’s Beaux-Arts headquarters

The comment was first reported Tuesday in a blog on The New York Times’s Web site.

The Romney campaign, which has been wary of campaign trail criticism of Romney’s faith, jumped on the Sharpton comment. If elected, Romney would be the first Mormon to serve as president.

more....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18570358/

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:43 PM
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1. "Those of us who believe in God"
tend not to understand that there are those who don't believe in their concept of God, nor do they get it that if there truly is one and only one God as they claim, then everyone who believes in God believes in the same one.

Just another example of why I am personally opposed to organized religion.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:44 PM
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2. Sharpton has said appalling things before, but this isn't one of them.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:57 PM
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17. Sharpton is just appalling in general
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:04 PM
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19. Appalling in a Mitt Romney kind of way.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:45 PM
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22. Having just listened to the full debate earlier in the day,
here's my take:

Sharpton was saying that the people who really believe in god AS OPPOSED TO ATHEISTS will be the ones responsible for killing Mitt Romney's candidacy.

BTW - Sharpton didn't do well in this debate, Hitchens dominated both the clock and the arguments. I was surprised at the tact that Sharpton took
in the debate. He just wasn't prepared for the level of debate Hitchens threw at him.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:46 PM
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3. Yes it was
Just like Imus made a blanket statement about the Rutgers Womens Basketball team, the good Reverend just made a blanket statement about Mormons.

So when do we start the boycott of those who sponsor Reverend Sharpton, or do those rules just apply
to Imus, Beck, Savage, and others on the Right?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:55 PM
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7. But according to Sharpton, what he said wasn't a blanket statement.
Now what?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:03 PM
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8. No, he was talking about an atheist. Read the article.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:50 PM
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4. C'mon, I'm sure Al was just joking
you know, a little humor like Limpballs saying the VT Shooter had to be a liberal, or playing the "Barack the Magic Negro" song, or calling Obama a Halfrican, or that parody of John Edwards singing "I Am Woman".

Gee, can't Mitt take a joke? yuk--yuk--yuk

As long as Rush Limpballs and Sean Hannity are on the radio unopposed, I refuse to be concerned about anything a liberal says.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 04:03 PM
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24. So was Imus
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:52 PM
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5. C'mon, I'm sure Al was just joking
you know, a little humor like Limpballs saying the VT Shooter had to be a liberal, or playing the "Barack the Magic Negro" song, or calling Obama a Halfrican, or that parody of John Edwards singing "I Am Woman".

Gee, can't Mitt take a joke? yuk--yuk--yuk

As long as Rush Limpballs and Sean Hannity are on the radio unopposed, I refuse to be concerned about anything a liberal says.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:53 PM
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6. C'mon, I'm sure Al was just joking
you know, a little humor like Limpballs saying the VT Shooter had to be a liberal, or playing the "Barack the Magic Negro" song, or calling Obama a Halfrican, or that parody of John Edwards singing "I Am Woman".

Gee, can't Mitt take a joke? yuk--yuk--yuk

As long as Rush Limpballs and Sean Hannity are on the radio unopposed, I refuse to be concerned about anything a liberal says.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:20 PM
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9. There's a racial context to Sharpton's comments that aren't obvious at first.
Stick with this, it's a little involved.

They were debating the role of religion in Civil Rights. Sharpton was arguing that religion was important in defining that all were equal, and Hitchens disagreed, saying that MLK had surrounded himself with secular humanists, and had read Hegel and Marx. He argued, and this is the important part, that some religions even endorsed segregation.

He didn't say it, but the Mormons were one such group, as Sharpton knows.

Sharpton then answered that religion did play a role in everything MLK did, and that to deny this was to rewrite the history of Civil Rights. Then he made the comment that seemed so out of place: As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyway, so don’t worry, that’s a temporary situation.

The comment only makes sense in context. When Hitchens said "some religions endorsed segregation," Sharpton thought of the Mormons, which made him think of Romney. So he answered the first part of Hitchens's argument by pointing out that religion was a strong part of MLK's motivation, and he answered the second part of Hitchens's comment, that some religions supported segregation, by basically saying "True, but..." and then making a snarky comment about the religion, basically as an attempt at a joke to hide the fact that Hitchens had scored a point.

My own interpretation is that Sharpton houses a bitterness towards Mormons for supporting segregation. I can believe that he was referring to Hitchens, as if saying "You are right, some religions such as the Mormons were on the wrong side and supported segregation, but it will be us believers, and not you secular atheists, who defeat the Mormon who is running, thus punishing him for the sins of his religion." I can also believe he meant "You are right, some religions, such as the Mormons, supported segregation, and those of us who believe in God will defeat the Mormon Romney, who must not believe in God because of the sins of his religion." Or maybe change that last clause to "who must not believe in God because his religion does not agree with mine."

I don't know which he really meant. Either way, he was blaming Romney for something that someone in his religion had once supported, and in the process was insulting all Mormons. He should base his opinion of Romney on Romney alone, not on any group Romney belongs to. He should know better. He of all people should know way better.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:24 PM
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10. Your post makes a lot of sense.
Thanks.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:57 PM
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16. Until a *new revelation* blacks were 2nd class believers at best in Mormonism
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:03 PM
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18. I'll agree that context is crucial here
And the MSNBC story doesn't appear to supply much of it.

Remember, this was a staged "debate" between Rev. Al Sharpton and author Christopher Hitchens, who is hawking his latest typing exercise, "God is Not Great." Without a full understanding of the context of Sharpton's comment, there's no way in the world to extrapolate some kind of blanket anti-Mormon sentiment from it, unless you're a sleazy, dishonest, shit-stirrer making six figures a year for a corporation with so much blood on its hands from the Bush adminsitration's illegal invasions that even the denouement of Ceaucescu would seem to be too lenient a punishment.

Or something.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:49 PM
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23. Good post. Thanks. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:34 PM
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11. Why wouldn't it be?
Everything ELSE about Romney is appalling...
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:38 PM
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12. Well OK. Let's see a tape of the debate so we can judge for ourselves
Sharpton vs. Hitchens. Now that's a debate I would love to see.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:39 PM
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13. If Sharpton were an atheist, nobody would have problems with him saying...
Edited on Wed May-09-07 02:40 PM by JVS
that Mormonism is complete bullshit. Why should he be expeced to curb such an assessment just because he has a religion? There is no reason, beyond a basic level of tolerance being more comfortable for day to day interaction, that adherents to one religion should accept the teachings of another religion as having any validity.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:42 PM
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14. I'm all appalled out

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:42 PM
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15. Yes. It's just more religion vs religion - which ought to have no place in elections
to begin with.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:05 PM
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20. No he's saying what "people" will do based on what he thinks is god
not appalling just dumb
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:19 PM
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21. You may listen to the entire Hitchens/Sharpton debate here:
Edited on Wed May-09-07 03:21 PM by stopbush
http://tinyurl.com/yv6puv


BTW - the debate runs just under 2 hours.
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