is the idea that marx was a capitalist,

patrick t. cakes

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:02 PM
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is the idea that marx was a capitalist,

and all he was really attempting was to make capitalism
more efficient, valid?

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rockymountaindem

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:04 PM
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1. I would hardly say that

His critique of capitalism was that it contained the seeds of its own destruction, and his prophecy (through his deterministic view of history and the future) was that the workers' paradise would inevitably establish itself through a series of revolutionary/evolutionary processes regardless of any other trends. He wasn't trying to correct the flaws he saw in capitalism because he didn't believe they could be corrected. To him, they were inherent in the system.

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scarletwoman

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:14 PM
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3. As in, it's a feature not a bug.

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Chulanowa

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:12 PM
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2. Which Marx? Groucho? Harpo?

'Cause I know you don;t mean Karl

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patrick t. cakes

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:20 PM
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5. I do mean Karl

and ive been told (on DU even) that he was indeed a capitalist
attempting to make the system more efficient. merely recoining the idea of ownership.

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Chulanowa

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:37 PM
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10. Whoever told you that has never read Marx

They may have read something about Marx, but they've never read marx.

or perhaps they have a gross misunderstanding of what "Capitalism" is.

A dude who calls for the total abolishment of all private property, and even for the abolishment of the concept of private property cannot under any definition be considered a capitalist

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Jackpine Radical

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:19 PM
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4. Where did you get this idea?

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Electric Monk

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:22 PM
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6. ...from a nursery rhyme is my guess...

Bake me a cake as fast as you can

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leftstreet

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:25 PM
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8. "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast"

could be

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scarletwoman

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:24 PM
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7. It was in the super duper message drop in the super secret hidey hole where Mr. Big

leaves his instructions to his minions.

I'm pretty sure about this. :)

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patrick t. cakes

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:26 PM
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9. ha!

it was just a question.

alright im going to the bar:toast:

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brentspeak

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:41 PM
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11. Not valid

Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 11:41 PM by brentspeak

Though Marx agreed in part with Adam Smith and David Ricardo regarding how capitalism operates -- the labor theory of value, for instance, was an idea that Smith originated -- he did not share the optimistic view that capitalism was anything near the self-regulating, perpetually beneficial system thinkers like Smith claimed it was.

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tekisui

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Fri Jun-11-10 11:45 PM
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12. Not by a long shot!

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Oregone

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Sat Jun-12-10 12:01 AM
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13. Are you as high as I am?

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Ozymanithrax

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Sat Jun-12-10 12:18 AM
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14. Marx was a classic economist who wrote a valid critique of capitalism...

Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 12:18 AM by Ozymanithrax

but he wasn't a capitalist. And it doesn't matter because Marxism and the Capitalism he criticized are dead as Cesar. Good Old Fashioned Corporatism is the way of the world now. It cut the face off of capitalism and wears it as a bloody mask.

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