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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:41 AM
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I was watching Men in Black tonight and there was a clip of the Twin Towers in one shot.
It made me think, which is something I had no intention of doing because, well I was watching Men in Black on one of the Turner Cable stations.

What I thought about wasn't the absence of those towers simply because I don't need a patriotic wet dream to make me feel more "American", whatever that is in this fragmented day and age. Never did. Never will.

What I did think about was how successful the mission of Osama bin Laden really was.

With that spectacular strike at the very heart of America, the terrorists have won. And because America chose to go the easy way, mainly because we had a simple-minded president and an empty-minded media that wanted vengeance, we are where we are today; awash in bloody vengeance that eats away at the very soul of America.

The dark side quickly rose, engulfing the nation before the fires were even out at the Tower site.

I wonder if having knowledge of George W because of familial ties, that Osama did not wait until this clown was in the White House so that the attack would illicit the worst possible response for America.

The way our leaders dealt with the attack has put the very future of our country at risk. We squandered the best opportunity in a generation to turn the path of America from a jingoistic full speed ahead and damn the consequence culture to one that is better suited to face the 21st century.

Of course, the pampered elites who put it all on the table for the lust of power will never admit that Osama won the war with only one spectacular shot at America’s heart. To them we have crushed the vermin, isolated the enemy and denuded their power.

We shall see.

We already know that the next generation of terrorists realizes that they can finish the job by taking the fight to the US. The various thwarted plans as of late tell us that must be their plan. How much longer will our freedom survive if they instill fear in the hearts of Americans?

We know where it ends.

The so-called “nanny-state” the conservative love to loath will be replaced with a daddy-state defined by a strong, virile leader will strip away any semblance of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness remaining.

I wonder if we are prepared to live like Israel.

I wonder what would have happened if only Barbara Bush and Cheney’s mother had suckled these two bargain rate Romulus and Remus wanna bes.

Anyway, all I could think of when I saw those towers in the background of that shot in MIB was how truly far our country has fallen since those towers came tumbling down.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:45 AM
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1. Many good thoughts...
Recommended.



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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:49 AM
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2. Excellent. K&R!!
Fridays are apparently writer's nights here at the ol' DU.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:52 AM
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3. And at their base, Americans are screaming hatred and fear even now
Because the Muslims are scary, and should not be afforded the rights that everyone else in America enjoys. Or so that's what they say, anyway.

I'm feeling very discouraged.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:58 AM
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4. there could never be a more tragic imposition of a ruler on a people
...in the classic sense of tragedy. A flawed, weak son of a powerful father, with oedipal issues caused by a cold mother who both held the son close and pushed him away. A younger brother favored over him. A narcissist, open to manipulation by those who would use him. The gods were crazy to place such a man in command of the most powerful army in history. A master novelist could not conjure up more evil, more tension for a plot.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:46 AM
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8. The "gods" didn't place
Bush the Younger in command. The Supreme Court did. On many different levels one of the most horrific and seminal events in this Country's history and a terrible, terrible turning point. You nailed Dubya's psychological profile.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:32 PM
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42. well, yes. But I was thinking in a literary sense...
...along the lines of classic tragedies which would explain the acts of the Supreme Court by alluding to larger forces -- "gods".
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:07 AM
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5. good post! hoping we get back our country soon, and somehow,
overpower through our votes, the hysterics of the tea party loons. This country is facing a horrible set of circumstances, we need progressive change, not insane "private social security and end the Dept of Education!" ramblings.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:19 PM
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58. None of those, currently in office, will get it back for you.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:10 AM
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6. Osama who?
Osama bin Forgotten had nothing to do with 9/11.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:13 AM
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7. Exactly.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:02 AM
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10. Maybe, maybe not - only a handful of people really know...
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:55 AM
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40. But more millions know in their mind, pretty much what happened
What was Sherlock Holmes made to say; "eliminate the impossible and the improbable and what you have left is where the answer will be found. The tens of Millions, who have a working brain, have done exactly that and come up with something much closer to the truth. The rest will believe whatever they are told, no matter how impossible or improbable and cleave to the missing blond girls or sports to drowned out all else and particularly any dangerous thoughts for which trained and ready talking points will descend on them with ridicule via the monolithic and predatory "news" harpy's. Should read propaganda harpy's.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:42 PM
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43. I hear what you're saying. *ahem*....
Inductive reasoning, i.e., observing patterns and generalizing to theories, is important, too. And there are plenty of "patterns" in the 9/11 scenario.

Whatever part OBL may have had...who knows. But who planned it is the question. Osama? Not.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:55 PM
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47. Exactly . . . Osama did what the Russians wouldn't have even dared try . . .!!
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 02:57 PM by defendandprotect
:)

And it just happened to be their lucky day with NORAD AWOL --

and four simultaneous training exercises going on -- coincidentally having to do

with planes being hijacked and attacks on skyscrapers!!

Nor does the "thinker" ask himself why we attacked Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 . . .

while a majority of the alleged hiajckers were Saudis!

Or why we attacked Afghanistan and have been occupying it for 9 years?

Next we hear of the KKK in Mississippi, shall we bomb all of Mississippi?

-----------

Additionally, the US/CIA created the Taliban/Al Qaeda --

among many other acts where the pattern of using religion has been used --

US went into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians came in . . . "in order to bait

the Russians in . . . in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type experience."

See more info on that below and more --


The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.h ...





If you're interested, US created Taliban/Al Qaeda . . .


The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_i ... ...







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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:48 PM
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54. Thanks for defending and protecting truth ...
... with regard to our nation's black ops mindset, in far too many arenas.

This should be an OP in itself. No, it should be in the political section of my local bookstore.

The "official story" is rarely pure, and is often a blatant lie, ordered up to keep the populace tranquilized and too docile to resist ongoing programming.

Thanks for being a good journlist.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:42 PM
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61. It's kinda what I feared . . .
when I heard in third grade what our government had done to the Native American --

Thanks for the message -- good to know how many of us question all the lies!!

:)
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:52 PM
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77. Very thought provoking post.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 07:52 PM by polly7
So many of these coincidences have never made sense for me. I still have no idea what to make of it all. Here is an older link to another interesting article re the Saudi connection some may find worth a read. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:24 PM
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81. Thank you for the link . . .
scanned it quickly -- always good to get in touch with the info again --

Certainly the Bush Family rates a ranking as one of the most evil families in America!

:)
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:37 PM
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88. The evidence of what really happened on 911 is out there
Look here for eyewitness testimony that contradicts the official conspiracy theory.

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/

To whom it concerns, i.e., everyone:

In 2006 Citizen Investigation Team launched an independent investigation into the act of terrorism which took place at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. This exhaustive three-year inquest involved multiple trips to the scene of the crime in Arlington, Virginia, close scrutiny of all official and unofficial data related to the event, and, most importantly, first-person interviews with dozens of eyewitnesses, many of which were conducted and filmed in the exact locations from which they witnessed the plane that allegedly struck the building that day.

Be forewarned: Our findings are extraordinarily shocking and frightening. They are also deadly serious, and deserving of your immediate attention. This is not about a conspiracy theory or any theory at all. This is about independent, verifiable evidence which unfortunately happens to conclusively establish as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a false flag "black operation" involving a carefully planned and skillfully executed deception.

If you are skeptical of (or even incensed by) this statement we do not blame you. We are not asking you to take our word for it, nor do we want you to do that. We want you to view the evidence and see with your own eyes that this is the case. We want you to hear it directly from the eyewitnesses who were there, just as we did.

Please understand that this information is not being brought to your attention simply for educational purposes. It is presented within the context of a “call to action” accompanied by a detailed step-by-step strategy intended to inspire and empower you to do something about it. But first, please familiarize yourself with the evidence by viewing and paying close attention to the 81-minute video presentation, National Security Alert.

Thank you for your concern and thank you for your action.

Sincerely,

Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis

Citizen Investigation Team






Our complete independent interview with Sgt. Brooks, filmed in 2006, can be viewed in The PentaCon: Smoking Gun Version. Sgt. Brooks has seen this video, and told us that it was an "eye-opener", and that "anything is possible" in terms of him being fooled about the impact. He still stands by his account of the plane flying on the north side of the station, and has said that he would testify to this in a court of law.

As seen in National Security Alert, here is the flight path that Sgt. Brooks drew during our 2006 interview.


|Image showing witness flight path vs official reports flight path>




Roosevelt Robert Jr.





LOC Interview date: 11/30/2001 Roosevelt's is one of the most important accounts presented since he actually witnessed the plane flying away from the building immediately after the explosion.

In this official interview, recorded only a few weeks after the event, you can hear Roosevelt describe it as what he thought was a “second plane”.

The pertinent details regarding timing, altitude, and description were confirmed in our independent audio interview recorded in 2008, which can be heard in Part 2 of our presentation Excerpts of this interview are also featured in our video National Security Alert.

We now know for a fact that the only explanation for the "commercial aircraft" that he describes at about “50 feet” altitude banking and flying away from the building immediately after the explosion could only have been the same attack jet that everyone else witnessed banking on the north side flight path seconds earlier on its approach toward the Pentagon.



Roosevelt Robert Jr. a DOD Police Officer talked of hearing the blast and impact on the west side of the Pentagon and immediately running outside onto the loading dock within ten seconds of the blast to see a Commercial Airliner fly over head from the other side of the building and go on banking over the south parking lot.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:12 PM
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102. Thanx for the link, everybody should see this.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 04:22 PM by ooglymoogly
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Gin Blossom Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:07 PM
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89. This comment (and the OP) are what keep me coming back to DU. Thanks.
Somehow we need to think the unthinkable - getting rid of the CIA would be a step in the right direction. Period. Iran immediately comes to mind, as well. The trail of blowback is endless. And you're wrong, Little Zbig Man. Horribly wrong.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:09 AM
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96. I recommend your comment
That's a great summary of the Bush years...and since.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:00 AM
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30. But history always tells the truth, right?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 11:02 AM by Desertrose
:big fat sarcastic smiley emoticon:

eta: I agree with you Beam Me Up.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:47 PM
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92. And is he even alive? Was he even alive when 9/11 happened? nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:54 AM
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9. Does anyone believe this country would have agreed to a war half way around the world
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 03:31 AM by Dover
in Afghanistan or Iraq without a boogeyman and the whole 'war on terror'?
Would we have allowed our leaders to attack without provocation if there had not been lies of weapons of mass destruction?
Of course not.

Lies upon lies.

There was plenty of objection by citizens about taking this course even AFTER 9/11.


Believe what you will about the truth surrounding 9/11, but I doubt there's
any argument about that. As I've said before, our interests in Afghanistan
and the Caspian Sea region are well known. And with a Bush/Cheney administration packed with oil and gas people whose dark corporate culture is so well demonstrated by the current BP execs relative to the spill, it doesn't take much of a stretch to put together a very dark scenario relative to 9/11. Men in black. As far as I know bin Laden's guilt has never been proven, and much of the investigation was thwarted.

If we choose to live in fear then we will indeed have that in common with Israel, though we are NOT Israel. But as long as we see the boogeyman as out there, rather than rooted in our own nature and not exclusive to any one group, then perhaps we'll also be locked into the same kind of endless repetitive loop that has gripped Israel. We create our reality by how we see and respond to the world, and often we can become that which we fear most.

There are many reasons why the U.S. has fallen from grace - some purely economic (the demise of the dollar worldwide), systemic corruption, a changing global power structure, etc. I do think there is value in looking at ourselves honestly, and specifically our use and abuse of power...the dark side of power. It can only be hidden or swept under the rug for so long. Our lack of conscious awareness of our dark underbelly has only strengthened its grip on us. Although painful (and many remain in denial) I think it's healthy to take a good long look. I hope what we see shakes us to the core and forces change at the root rather than in superficial ways. We need to die to our old selves so that we can birth a new nation built on strong foundations instead of those weakened and tainted by corruption, mistrust, and fear.
It's quite a tough process, this dying....
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:19 AM
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23. Excellent post. nt
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:02 AM
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31. I agree, Dover.
"We create our reality by how we see and respond to the world, and often we can become that which we fear most."

Yup. All a person has to do is open their eyes.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:05 PM
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68. Hey girl!
(( big hug )) :hug:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:09 PM
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41. Excellent post...and very close to the bone for those
who believe whatever they are told is truth.
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byrok Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:19 PM
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45. well said n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:00 PM
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48. Not without a "new Pearl Harbor" as suggested by PNAC . . .right wingers . . .
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:22 PM
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75. Yep, and I understand why that scenario is so difficult for people to examine and/or accept.
A betrayal such as that, from those inside ones circle of trust, cuts so deep (regardless of the rationale that drove them, where ends justify means), that it is many times more hurtful and devastating than an attack from without. And for many too dark to fathom. We have met the enemy and he is us.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:13 PM
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79. Completely agree with that analysis . . . .
Certainly other nations and people in government, intelligence, etal have been

outspokenly suspicious --

journalists probably have a good idea of what happened --

And we've had over 50 years of rw political violence --

Presumably there has been a heavy lock put on it all -- Operation Mockingbird

How much of our news now is CIA/Pentagon controlled?

Carl Bernstein began to write about CIA-journalists in '72/? Rolling Stone.

Think it was 400 at that time -- quickly thereafter 1,200 --

Heaven knows where we are now. Pentagon officials under contract to CNN, etal!

It's all still, IMO, active cover-up going on --




"Only fools never doubt" --

:)
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:11 PM
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70. '...bin Laden's guilt has never been proven...' Well, hell, he's not even
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:34 PM
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73. It's quite a tough process, this dying....
Lovely post!
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:24 PM
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80. G.W. Bush turned the United States into Israel. Made Huge Profits.
Homeland Security, restricted travel, no-fly lists for political opponents...TSA... clamp down on all people coming and going.... the Largest Bureaucracy ever created... (although Republicans claim they don't like big government.. the fed always sems to flourish under the Repubs)

And it paid off well for the Bushies and their friends... lots of money has been made on The WOT. Just ask Michael Chertoff.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:48 AM
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94. It is not introspection the corporations fear, it would be 'exposure'.
Your grasp is profound. At least as much as need be.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:23 AM
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11. K&R. As Philip K. Dick used to say, in matters such as these, ask, "Who benefits?"
Seems like the Bush-Cheney administration AND Osama bin-Laden saw all their wildest dreams come true.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:03 AM
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18. Spot on. Who benefitted the most? The Oiligarchy. (nt)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:29 AM
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12. You Should See "Godspell" Then
It is exquisite pain to see these flower children dancing on the Towers to the biblical words.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:36 AM
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14. wow, i hadn't remembered that. screencaps:
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:15 AM
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19. Especially since the towers appeared to be still under construction in Godspell.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:02 PM
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50. The WTC was failing . . .was going to have to be brought down ...
asbestos and other problems making White Elephant --

They were going to have to building scaffolding at huge costs to take them down . . .

the way it was put up!

DEMOLITION WAS NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED!!!

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:39 PM
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82. How about the thousands of first responders who suffer from Asbestos Inhaltion...?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 08:39 PM by lib2DaBone
To this day... the official Govt position is that there was no asbestos present. Tell that to the Police and Fire people suffering from Mesothelioma.

I guess all those police and firemen are liars... and their bleeding lungs are imagination... and WTC-7 fell down all by itself.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:49 PM
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83. Evidently, some of us are getting used to the idea that our government lies . . .
and a few of us still aren't getting it!

What they did to those volunteers is criminal -- and then not to help them afterwards!!

This goes on and on -- Agent Orange, Depleted Uranium, Gulf War Syndrome --

and Thom Hartmann was saying the other day that it looks like BP is hiring undocumented

workers to clean up the oil on the beaches! I didn't hear all of his program so I don't

know how he got the info, but he was saying that should those workers get ill, they certainly

won't be reporting it to anyone!


:)
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:40 PM
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60. The iconic World Trade Plaza is also the setting of OZ in "The Wiz" with Michael Jackson and
Diana Ross, et all.

Very eerie to see now...

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:32 AM
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13. This was way more successful than Bin Laden ever could have dreamed
We are destroying our country because we're scared of the bogeyman. It was in the weeks after 9/11 that I realized viscerally just how infantile and manipulatable Americans are. Maybe Bin Laden had us pegged, eh?
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:22 AM
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15. and while you watch other countries who have had attacks move on
and rebuild and live their lives..... we stand paralyzed, lashing out at anything and anyone that looks like it might someday hurt us. And there is a hole in the ground where those towers once stood, a hole in the ground even after almost ten years. How can we even begin to heal if we can't get do something with that hole in the ground!!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:25 AM
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16. I was going to try and work that in...
I am so glad you brought that to the thread.

It's a gapping hole physically as well as to our collective psyche.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:49 AM
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17. I thought most movies deleted those shots of the Twin Towers
but "Men in Black" I have seen that a zillion times and when ever I come across it even if it is half through I watch it. Some movies I watch over and over...The Birdcage and Sister Act for two.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:17 AM
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22. No, just a couple, and only immediately afterward...
The most notable was probably the first Spider-man movie. One of the trailers for it had bank robbers escaping by helicopter caught in a giant web strung between the towers.

I saw that at the Battery Park City movie theater, a block away from the towers, about 3 weeks before they fell.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:56 PM
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56. Even "The Simpsons" fell prey to censorship
The episode where they go to NYC ("The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson") has the WTC featured prominently. The best scene is where Homer has to take a pee and goes up both towers to find the restrooms closed in both of them. I don't think that episode was ever shown again after 9/11, but is available on the season 9 DVD.

Scrubbing the towers from movies is ridiculous. Seems more like Soviet-era rewriting of history to me. Guess they're only allowed to exist now in the (thankfully few) movies about 9/11 itself. At least "Man On Wire" is out there since there ain't no movie without them.

I realized years ago that the terrorists really did win. The double-whammy of Bush's selection and 9/11 were the icing on the cake of the destruction from within of the U.S. that began with Ronnie Raygun in 1981.
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xynthee Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:33 PM
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103. They've actually re-aired the Simpsons episodes several times
but it was several years after 9/11 before they would show it. It still makes me cringe a little bit when the man in Tower 1 says "They put all the jerks in Tower 2."

It's one of my favorite episodes so I'm glad they finally started showing it again! Yes, the terrorists won, but we can still see that episode of the Simpsons from time to time.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:26 AM
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20. Poignant thought. Enemy is within and bin Laden is just a shadow of the true US ruler
Something is rotten inside and people are asleep.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:06 AM
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21. It all came to me while watching MIB...
It's really a brilliant way to wage war. Get your enemy to waste precious treasure while you swlip slide away...
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:23 AM
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24. People with full stomach can be easily manipulated, I guess
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:29 AM
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25. Still visible in the Manhattan skyline shot in 'The Usual Suspects', too.
you know that one where the evil guy is in your face the whole movie but uses lies, deceptions, falsehoods to make you look elsewhere.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:56 AM
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26. You mean like...
Oh never mind, that is far to easy.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:08 AM
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32. The twin towers in the movie "Artificial Intelligence (AI)" haunts my memories...
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 11:09 AM by cascadiance
Since it came out only in June right before 9/11, it was fresh in people's minds when the towers went down, and hit people over the head when they got/rented the DVD later, since it was one of the focal points of the movie when the New York sky line was featured in it. And since it was a projection of the future, it was like reminding us of how our visions of the future from the past had been spoiled with that one event.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:05 AM
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27. Bravo, WCGreen ...
Bravo.
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:19 AM
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28. K&R (sadly)
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:56 AM
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29. When I woke up that morning
my husband already had the TV on, I walked into the living room and still didn't know what had happened.

And I thought, why is he up at 6AM watching either (1) Independence Day, or (2) Men In Black?

Because he's not into that kind of movie.

And then I realized it was real.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:21 AM
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33. I disagree on a few points
What I did think about was how successful the mission of Osama bin Laden really was.

With that spectacular strike at the very heart of America, the terrorists have won. And because America chose to go the easy way, mainly because we had a simple-minded president and an empty-minded media that wanted vengeance, we are where we are today; awash in bloody vengeance that eats away at the very soul of America.

The dark side quickly rose, engulfing the nation before the fires were even out at the Tower site.

Yes, Osama's mission was very successful and the dark side within our country quickly rose. As for whether the terrorists have "won" ... well, that remains to be seen. The conflict is far from over.

The main point I want to make regarding your quote above is that our government's response to 9-11 was not the product of a simple-minded president or a quest for vengeance. 9-11 provided the opportunity and the pretext for the neoconservatives in the Bush administration to implement their agenda in Iraq. The public that supported that war were to a large extent simple-minded and vengeful. The media was complicit, and I suspect knowingly.


I wonder if having knowledge of George W because of familial ties, that Osama did not wait until this clown was in the White House so that the attack would illicit the worst possible response for America.

That is certainly possible, though they obviously had been planning it long before Bush took office.


The way our leaders dealt with the attack has put the very future of our country at risk. We squandered the best opportunity in a generation to turn the path of America from a jingoistic full speed ahead and damn the consequence culture to one that is better suited to face the 21st century.

Of course, the pampered elites who put it all on the table for the lust of power will never admit that Osama won the war with only one spectacular shot at America’s heart. To them we have crushed the vermin, isolated the enemy and denuded their power.

I agree with the 1st paragraph. As for the 2nd, I think it is a mistake to characterize our conflict with Islamic terrorists as a "war." It elevates them and it provides a pretext for military interventions with ulterior motioves. Also, nothing has been "won" yet.


We shall see.

We already know that the next generation of terrorists realizes that they can finish the job by taking the fight to the US. The various thwarted plans as of late tell us that must be their plan. How much longer will our freedom survive if they instill fear in the hearts of Americans?

We know where it ends.

The so-called “nanny-state” the conservative love to loath will be replaced with a daddy-state defined by a strong, virile leader will strip away any semblance of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness remaining.

I wonder if we are prepared to live like Israel.

I wonder what would have happened if only Barbara Bush and Cheney’s mother had suckled these two bargain rate Romulus and Remus wanna bes.

It is not within the power of the terrorists to "finish the job." The extent to which their strategy has been a success is the extent to which our response has played into their hands while draining our treasury and alienating our friends.

Bush and Cheney are no longer in office. Obama inherited two foreign occupations that were much easier to get into than get out of. I know that many disagree with his efforts in Afghanistan, but he campaigned on that being the "necessary" war and those who call for immediate withdrawal seldom examine the potential consequences. Of one thing I am fairly certain: Obama will not exploit a terrorist attack on our soil to implement a predetermined invasion of another country, based on lies. And there isn't much of an analogy between us and Israel. Our occupations are overseas, whereas theirs is within the borders of an expanding "Greater Israel."

I share your concerns, and your heart is in the right place. But you're letting the Bush administration off the hook by characterizing their response as a simple-minded quest for vengeance. Their actions were premeditated, criminal, and part of the larger neocon agenda. And don't fall into the trap of characterizing our conflict with small groups of furtive terrorists as a "war" because that calls for the kind of military response that Osama bin Laden was counting on.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:42 AM
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37. They sold it as a simple minded quest for vengeance...
And the American people ate it up...
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:50 AM
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39. Yes, that's how they "sold" it.
But that's not what it was. We need to be very careful not to buy into what they're selling.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:22 AM
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34. I have always thought that Osama waited for GWB for another reason
altogether. The war with the ME is about oil. If Al had won there is a chance that nothing would have happened. Since the SCOTUS selected the oilman the war was on. Osama hit the trade center - the economy - and the pentagon - the military. But he was really targeting the oilman who was his enemy in the ME.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:06 PM
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51. And do you remember "The Russians Are Coming!" .... ???
Do you seriously believe that we were so ill-prepared?

If they had tried to tell Americans that the Russians had done this,

we'd all still be on the floor laughing!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:25 AM
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35. Man. That Osama bin Laden sure thought things through.
The reality is, this wasn't a fluke
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ProgressiveVictory Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:30 AM
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36. I know, I wish we would have just ignored the terrorist after 9/11.
If we were not doing the things we are doing the terrorists would not be able to recruit so easily.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:46 AM
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38. If they would have concentrated all their resources on Afganistan...
they probably captured Osama.

But almost immediately, the Bush Adminstration pivoted away from terrorists in Afghanistan to focus all their attention on an evil doer in Iraq.

Once they took their eye off the real target it was almost a sure thing that the conflict in Afghanistan would be left to fester and become the quagmire it is today...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:08 PM
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44. They don't want him "caught".He serves a purpose...
like Emanuel Goldstein in 1984, and Snowball in Animal Farm.

The invisible enemy, in this location or that. Always available to ramp up the fear when needed.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:09 PM
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78. I was calling him Emanuel Laden to a lot of my friends
back in 2004.

Most just looked at me ans said, you mean he was Jewish...

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:13 PM
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100. Some people can't connect the dots. n/t
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:50 PM
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46. So now it's time to watch, "The Kindom".
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:02 PM
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49. Did you mean "The Kingdom"?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:08 PM
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52. great post. nt
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:12 PM
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53. my husband just read your post.
he said "it's a very thought provoking piece".
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:53 PM
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55. Project Censored: FBI: "No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"
#16 No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11

Source:
The Muckraker Report, June 6, 2006, and Ithaca Journal, June 29, 2006
Title: “FBI says, ‘No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11’”
Author: Ed Haas
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
Student Researcher: Bianca May and Morgan Ulery
Faculty Evaluator: Ben Frymer, Ph.D.

Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” poster.

On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.

Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

Haas pauses to ask the question, “If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to ‘smoke him out of his cave?’” Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was “Public Enemy Number One,” responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.


More @ Source: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/16-no-hard-evidence-connecting-bin-laden-to-9-11/

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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:54 AM
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99. So is that a admission that the famous tape from Afghanistan,Dec 01, was not really Bin Laden
explaining how he pulled it off! Fake tape fake reasons to go into that war from a fake leader Shrub!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:27 PM
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101. That is a logical conclusion. This update was added to the above:
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 01:05 PM by Beam Me Up

UPDATE BY ED HAAS

On June 6, 2006 the Muckraker Report ran a piece by Ed Haas titled “FBI says, ‘No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.’” Haas is the editor and a writer for the Muckraker Report. At the center of this article remains the authenticity and truthfulness of the videotape released by the federal government on December 13, 2001 in which it is reported that Osama bin Laden “confesses” to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The corporate media—television, radio, and newspapers—across the United States and the world repeated, virtually non-stop for a week after the videotape’s release, the government account of OBL “confessing.”

However, not one document has been released that demonstrates the authenticity of the videotape or that it even went through an authentication process. The Muckraker Report has submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, and CENTCOM requesting documentation that would demonstrate the authenticity of the videotape and the dates/circumstances in which the videotape was discovered. CENTCOM has yet to reply to the FOIA request. After losing an appeal, the FBI responded that no documents could be found responsive to the request. The Department of Defense referred the Muckraker Report to CENTCOM while also indicating that it had no documents responsive to the FOIA request either.

The CIA however claims that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of records responsive to the request. According to the CIA the fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3).
Many people believe that if the videotape is authentic, it should be sufficient hard evidence for the FBI to connect bin Laden to 9/11. The Muckraker Report agrees. However, for the Department of Justice to indict bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, something the government has yet to do, the videotape would have to be entered into evidence and subjected to additional scrutiny. This appears to be something the government wishes to avoid.

Some believe that the video is a fake. They refer to it as the “fat bin Laden”video. The Muckraker Report believes that while the videotape is indeed authentic, it was the result of an elaborate CIA sting operation. The Muckraker Report also believes that the reason why there is no documentation that demonstrates that the videotape went through an authenticity process is because the CIA knew it was authentic, they arranged the taping.

It is highly probable that the videotape was taped on September 26, 2001—before the US invaded Afghanistan.


I have always suspected that some documents are so highly classified that their very existence is itself classified. In a very similar vein, the NTSB and FBI (via FOIA request) could provide no documentation indicating that the aircraft debris from 9/11 was ever positively identified as having come from the airliners alleged to have been hijacked and crashed that day. Apparently even the "black boxes" were not positively identified following SOP. http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/174802552/the-deep-state-does-not-respond-to-foia-requests

Edit to add from the above link:



The list of FOIAs that Monaghan has filed which have yielded no information is long.

He asked the Secret Service for documents that reveal what time former Vice President Dick Cheney entered the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), as well as documents pertaining to the names of persons admitted to PEOC on the morning of 9/11. Reply: no records or documents pertaining to your request.

He asked the SEC for a bibliography of the investigation records that were located in the SEC’s offices on floors 11-13 in World Trade Center 7, even attaching a copy of a September 17, 2001 article in the National Law Journal which stated that SEC and EEOC investigations had been delayed due to the loss of “substantial files” for 3,000 to 4,000 cases. The reply: “did not locate or identify any information responsive to your request.”

In an attempt to shed light on what may have led to the destruction of the World Trade Center towers, Monaghan asked the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey for a complete list of outsourced contract projects performed upon World Trade Center buildings 1 and 2 from January 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001. Reply: “no documents in Port Authority files responsive to your request.” (Monaghan notes that since the Port Authority was located in WTC 1, it is possible that all files were lost that day.)

Monaghan sued the FBI to obtain “documentation revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant…as belonging to the said aircraft…” Reply: “…there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated…”

As reported in the April, 2008 Rock Creek Free Press, the aircraft were very much in question, as transponders were turned off and one plane, Flight 77, was even lost to radar over Ohio for a time. NTSB officials are on record stating that they were involved in aircraft parts identification, and bins were set up at all three crash sites labeled “aircraft parts.”

The Rock Creek Free Press reported in May 2009 that explosive, unreacted thermitic material containing nano particles of aluminum and iron oxide had recently been discovered in the dust from the World Trade Center buildings that collapsed on September 11, 2001. The Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center was described in 1999 as “the only reliable source for aluminum nano-powders in the United States,” and in 2008 as “probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology.”

Monaghan asked the Naval Surface Warfare Center for records about the research and development of nano-sized aluminum powders or nano-sized iron oxide powders. Reply: “have not found any records responsive to your request.”

Monaghan is currently trying to get more information from the FBI with Aidan Monaghan v. US Dept of Justice, et al., 09-CV-0060. When you sue the FBI, Monaghan explained, you go up against the Department of Justice, since the FBI is a division of the DoJ.

This lawsuit asks for information about the wreckage recovered from American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight #93, the flight management computers and multi-mode receivers used on all four aircraft, the serial numbers for the flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders for AA77 and UA93, communications between the four hijacked aircraft, information regarding the presence of bombs in the World Trade Center towers, three days of logs of the recovery of human remains from the crash sites of AA77 and UA93, an audio copy of the cockpit voice recorder from UA93, and information about phone calls placed from AA11, UA175, AA77 and UA93, including the existence of seatback or Airfone telephones for passenger use on all four aircraft.

Monaghan admits that he is now “running out of ideas for FOIAs for file.” As recently as September 2007, the FBI denied Monaghan’s FOIAs under the law enforcement exemption, claiming that this is an “ongoing investigation” and that information related to identifying the aircraft used on 9/11 “could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.”

“I’m beginning to wonder if the FOIA is just a lot of theatre for public consumption to provide a perception that yes, government is accessible, it’s transparent,” said Monaghan. “For two years now I’ve tried to pull as much 9/11 info from the federal government as I can, and the most noteworthy thing I’ve found is the absence of information. Material that should be there just isn’t.”


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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:14 PM
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57. You make some good points, but giving credit to OBL is off base.
Give credit to the people who either allowed it to happen or made it happen: Cheney/BushCo.

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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:25 PM
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59. LOL, familial ties? Bush was a crappy president, but I don't see how he's to blame for Bin Laden
wanting to attack the United States. Not to mention that the 911 operation was planned several years in advance. If Al Gore had been President, I'm pretty sure they still would have tried to attack. I don't know if they would have been successful. But they surely weren't gonna wait 4 or 8 years to proceed with their plans.

When I see pictures of those towers, I wonder why can't new towers have been built already. It's been 10 years. Build some damn towers. Taller than before.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:56 PM
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66. You think Gore would have ignored all the warnings that Bush "ignored"...
which, of course depends on whether you think it is MIHOP or merely LIHOP.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2928360/10_warnings_about_911_attacks_that.html?cat=37
10 Warnings About 9/11 Attacks that Pres. George W. Bush Ignored and Lied About

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center." Condoleezza Rice.

"No warnings." Ari Fleischer, Pres. Bush's 9/11 press secretary after being asked by a reporter "Had there been any warnings that the President knew of?"

"We did not have a terrorist attack on our country during President Bush's term." Dana Perino, Pres. Bush's press secretary.

"We had no domestic attacks under Bush; we've had one under Obama." Rudy Giuliani

"We inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation's history." Mary Matalin.

Well, at least there is some truth in Mary Matalin's revision of history. While Pres. Bush did not inherit the 9/11 attacks, he did inherent plenty of security intelligence that pointed not just to an attack by Al Qaeda, but that they would hijack airplanes to fly into the Pentagon and World Trade Center.

1. The National Security Agency's electronic spy network system provided a warning that Islamic terrorists may be planning to hijack a commercial plane to use against America. This warning was provided in June 2001. And the warning indicated that the target of the hijacked planes were iconic architectural structures that represented American evil. This particular warning is particularly troubling in light of Condoleezza Rice's statement about nobody predicting 9/11 since she is quoted thusly: "It is highly likely that a significant Al Qaeda attack is in the near future." CIA Director George Tenet tested the limits of crying wolf by becoming so frantic about the report that people started avoiding and ignoring him.

2. Clinton appointee Richard Clark, the top counterterrorism expert in the Bush administration, informed several agency heads in a White House meeting held on July 5, 2001 that something truly monumental and disastrous was being planned by Al Qaeda and that it was going to happen soon. Each of those agencies was immediately put on high alert. Each of those agencies went off high alert after a couple of weeks.

3. Another piece of evidence that makes Condi Rice's "nobody could have predicted" statement....troubling. On August 6, 2001, members of the CIA met with George W. Bush personally to inform him that Al Qaeda planned to hijack commercial jets and attack within the United States. After the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration decided not to release the information that this meeting had taken place. It only became public when CBS investigated and broke the story, thus placing Rice in a considerably uncomfortable situation. The White House responded by having Ari Fleischer lie about the title of the briefing memo. Fleischer said the title of the memo was "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the United States." The actual title was more ominous by virtue of the one word that Fleischer left out: Bin Laden Determined to Strike In the United States."

4. Russia. Israel. Egypt. Morocco. Jordan. The intelligence agencies of all these countries warned US spies in the weeks leading to 9/11 that a large-scale attack against the United States could happen very soon. Warnings included information such as the attacks were being planned for late summer or early fall and that the targets of the attack might be located in New York City.

5. As far back as 1993, intelligence agencies—one of which Condoleezza Rice was head of at the time of the 9/11 attacks—had issued a study that predicted terrorist hijacking of planes to be used in simultaneous attacks in multiple cities against targets representing American culture.

6. Yet another piece of evidence that Condoleezza Rice was either totally unprepared and unfit to head the National Security Agency or that she is one of the coolest liars in American history. In 1995 police in the Philippines discovered plans by Al Qaeda that involved either exploding US jets in the air or hijacking them and flying them into the Pentagon and...the World Trade Center.

7. Terrorism experts met with security officials employed by the FAA in 1998. The topic? How to deal with terrorists flying planes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center. Again, this is what the head of the National Security Agency told the world immediately following the events of 9/11: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center."

8. 1999. The National Intelligence Council issues a warning that Osama Bin Laden might be training his terrorist operatives to hijack planes and fly them into the White House or Pentagon.

9. The Pentagon held a drill in late 2000 that simulated what the response would be....to a plane crashing into the enormous building.

10. As part of the transition from the outgoing Clinton administration to the incoming Bush administration, the new team was informed by the old team that the number one security threat facing America was Al Qaeda sleeper cells inside the United States. Part of the Clinton strategy to deal with this threat was to attack Al Qaeda. The Bush administration, deciding that the threat wasn't immediate enough, abandoned the Clinton plan entirely so that they could come up with a plan of their own for dealing with Al Qaeda. The date of the Bush administration's very first Cabinet-level meeting on the subject of terrorism: September 4, 2001.

Sources:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2002/dci_testimony_06182002.html

http://wanttoknow.info/020517post_al_qaeda_attack_9-11

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/21/opinion/21iht-edcooley_ed3_.html?pagewanted=1

http://911review.org/Media/9-11_BUSH.html

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh080403.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A39166-2002May18¬Found=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/17/attack/main509471.shtml

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0101slowpolicy
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:50 AM
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95. Another thing about Gore
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 12:51 AM by Art_from_Ark
He wouldn't have continued to sit on his ass in a 2nd grade classroom, listening to a reading lesson, after having been told that "America is under attack"
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:35 PM
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76. Just pondering...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 01:16 AM
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104. Why? We don't need any more towers...
we need to power down and simplify...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:00 PM
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62. K&R
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:05 PM
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63. k+r
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:05 PM
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64. K & R nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:49 PM
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65. Great post.
Whenever I see the towers in a movie..I get very sad. I worked in the WTC for more than two years, and spent the next 15 years working in its shadow.

Nothing will ever be the same. You are right, we have all fallen with the towers.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:56 PM
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67. k and r for TRUTH and many great replies.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:09 PM
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69. September 11th wasn't a terrorist attack, it was a coup.
It was a coup by the right-wing crybabies to take over the government and media, and they did so successfully. America as we know it did not win in that regard. Instead Osama won. The America we know it was lost that day under 24/7 media, jingoistic propaganda and the "you're with us or against us" attitude, and because of that it's spilled out from the shitstorm of the Bush administration and it is what it is now.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:19 PM
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90. Yes...who can ever forget the media beating the drums for war?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:19 PM
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71. I was watching Wall St the other night and had some similar thoughts
It feels like the attack has put us into an unrecoverable freefall thanks to the amazingly bad decisions made over the past decade. I expect the Israeli-style security is coming once the terrorists successfully attack a shopping center.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:20 PM
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72. Or the episode of The Lone Gunmen in early 2001
Where a commercial 727 was hijacked via remote control, and was headed straight for the WTC -- but pilot controls were restored and a crash was diverted at the last possible second.

Really creepy.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:44 PM
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74. I remember a time when this wasn't allowed to even be discussed
on DU. My first & only time of ever being deleted was about this. I said something to the fact that it was an inside job...that a few ME men couldn't pull 9/11 off.. & got plummeted, reported, post removed.

That was years ago though. Now it's pretty common knowledge.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:53 PM
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84. how is usa occupation of mid east a success for obl?
noone needed family ties with the bushes to know that they wanted to conquer mesopotamia
it is specious to think that obl is practicing homeopathic terrorism
as if he wanted to contend with more brutal and devious crusaders
i could use your words to support an argument that obl hated us for our freedoms
it is speciosity, because something more terrible than you care to imagine happened between november 2000 and september 2001

there is no way i can accept that dr. no is destroying civilization from his secret island fortress
something else is happening
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:58 PM
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86. the war is a great recruiting tool
easier to fight us over there then to fight us over here:shrug:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:34 PM
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91. With that one action, OBL has turned out country into a debtor
nation once again that is over extended and over committed.

If he really "hates out freedom," then he must be smiling because so much of what we took for freedom before 9/11 has been co-opted by a government prying into the personal lives of it's citizens to root out any danger.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:56 PM
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85. thanks for the op
:kick:
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:09 PM
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87. K and R
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:41 AM
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93. Anyone with a religious bent would have to admit;
God was on the side of the terrorists that day.

I don't have such a bent, so I'll just say they achieved the equivalent of winning every state lottery on the same day.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:34 AM
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97. Has anyone else wondered why the towers were not rebuilt if for
no other reason than as an act of defiance?

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:10 AM
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98. Good post! I see it differently, however. The corporations won.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 09:20 AM by peacetalksforall
They are the reason for the tower ghosts. They are the reason for the propaganda that led to the patriotic insanity. They are the reason we had psy-ops played on us and the Moslems.
They are the reason our soldier children are over there protecting the corporate plans.
They are the ones who pay the lobbyists.
They are the ones who have taken over the DOD.
They are the ones who have taken over Congress.
They are the ones who buy Presidents with the help of the Supreme Court, past and present.

We are a corp-ocrasy/corp-ocrisy. (As in dem-ocracy and hyp-ocrisy).

Cheney is their key person on strategy and camera.
Thousands of other movers are not on camera.

A starting point for believing this is = they can do no wrong. Everything we do is wrong except for believing them.

This is and has been about wealth and control for and by a few.

They won over the so-called Taliban and al Queda and Moslems by adding to the resentment of decades - who already hated the west for dictating to them and taking their earth resources, then schemeing with them - one against the other. They used psy-ops and other operations to foment. The female heroine at the start of Iraq Invasion 2. the athlete, possibly the Berg beheading, the films of bin Laden. They were respsponsible for more of our money going to the corporation - Blackwater. We are the simple sheep and some of us are more simple than others.

It's all head/heart manipulations that are going perfectly for them.

Tea Party today - 100% fear and hate program successfully reached. Voters locked down for another round.

CEO's, stockholders, lobbyists, think tanks, under the radar plans and agrements that are contrary to our Constitutuion in the chain of command - that's the source of our problems and missing buildings. (Exception: Cheney and his secret energy plan members are being smoked out).
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