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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:28 PM
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Rand "Green" Paul on mountaintop removal: No one will "miss a hill or two here and there"
Rand Paul on mountaintop removal: "I don’t think anyone’s going to be missing a hill or two here and there"
By David Neiwert Saturday Jun 12, 2010 2:00pm

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/rand-paul-mountaintop-removal-i-don

One of the main takeaways from Rand Paul's disturbing musings on civil rights -- as well as his sturdy defense of the indefensible that is British Petroleum -- clearly was, as John put it, that he's a typical out-of-touch country-club conservative Republican -- not to mention that he likewise manages to carry on his dad's tradition of right-wing extremism.

But these also are revealing moments about the limitations of libertarianism as a political philosophy -- because it clearly demonstrates how libertarian "principle" all too often, and all too consistently, essentially gives unbridled permission to behavior and actions that are toxic to our communities and their well-being, and to our democratic institutions as a nation. Which means that libertarianism all too often is often merely used as a pseudo-principled front for the worst impulses in American society, all under the pretense of "freedom".

Well, that very limitation is also readily self-evident when it comes to Paul's position on a subject that directly affects the Kentuckians he wants to represent in the United States Senate: mountaintop-removal coal mining. This issue, perhaps more than any other, reveals Rand Paul, and all the libertarians like him, to be nothing more than the corporate tools they really are.

Here's Rand Paul in an interview from October 5, 2009, via Jeff Biggers:

PAUL: I think people out here would find that I would be a great friend to coal. Not 'cause I come to Eastern Kentucky to pander to coal, but because I believe business should be left alone from government. I think the permit process needs to be made easier from the federal level and the state level. I think we shouldn't have special taxes on their profit. I think we should have lower corporate taxes. Those who create jobs -- I would much more rather lower taxes on the coal industry so they can hire a new hundred new workers than I would say, let's tax the coal industry, send it to Washington, so that we can get a hundred new people digging a ditch that may or may not need to be dug. So yeah, I'm greatly in favor of that. I think coal's a big part of our future because we have a lot of it, still, in the United States, it's fairly readily accessible, and it's where we get most of our electricity. Coal now competes -- you may not know this, a lot of people out here know this -- but about half of our electrical needs come from coal. And it's cheaper than oil and gas, actually, for your electricity.

Q: What about mountaintop removal?

PAUL: I think whoever owns the property can do with the property as they wish, and if the coal company buys it from a private property owner and they want to do it, fine. The other thing I think is that I think coal gets a bad name, because I think a lot of the land apparently is quite desirable once it's been flattened out. As I came over here from Harlan, you've got quite a few hills. I don’t think anybody's going to be missing a hill or two here and there.

And some people like having the flat land. Some of it apparently has become quite valuable when it's become flattened. And I think they do a good job at reclaiming the land, and you know, adding back in topsoil, bringing in help. So the bottom line is, it's not just me pandering to coal. It's me believing in private property.

If they bought the property, they own the property, they can do with that property, as long as they don't pollute someone else's property. And I don't think they want to. If they dump something in the river that goes to the next property, your local judges here will stop them. But I don't think they're doing that. I think what they're doing is what they can do with property they own, and doesn't appear to me to be something the federal government should be getting involved with.


It's harder to get any more afactual and ignorant than that, when it comes to the realities. Indeed, either Paul has just swallowed coal-company lies and propaganda whole, or he's just flatly lying himself.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:32 PM
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1. So, he really is as stupid as he looks...
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:33 PM
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2. he truly believes this crap
sad thing plenty of people in my state of WV do as well

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:36 PM
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3. Oh, good.
Let's pool our resources and buy the property next to Rand Paul's house and turn it into a toxic waste dump, or better yet, a homeless shelter. I wonder if he would be singing the same tune about people being able to do whatever they want with their property.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:39 PM
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4. God will miss even one missing hilltop. It is like having 20 kids. If one is missing, you notice
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:40 PM
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5. There's another ad campaign ready-made for Conway
...if only they're smart enough to exploit it. Imagine a voice-over of AynRand Paul against a video backdrop of photos like these:

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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:41 PM
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6. God created so many pretty mountains and put coal under them for us to use
rather for the rich to exploit and destroy, killing miners and the environment in the process...How odd of god to do this.

No one will miss Rand Paul, either, when he goes on into obscurity.


mark
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:43 PM
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7. Unbelievable (nt)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:44 PM
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8. Gee, this is he firsg I've heard about RP for several weeks.
I thought someone must have told him to hide somewhere for a while. I see he's still sticking his feet in his mouth, though not quite as far as in the past.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:48 PM
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9. We beseech thee, Kentucky voters. Show this man the door.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:58 PM
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10. ttt
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:06 PM
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11. At least he's not prevaricating.
He lays it out for all to see, and doesn't try to pretend that there will be no oil spills nor any mountaintop removal in his libertarian dystopia.

I have to give him credit for that.

:dem:

-Laelth
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:46 PM
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12. The effects of coal dust in the brains is confirmed...OMG
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:01 PM
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13. Oh come ON. He DIDN'T. He DID?
jeez
:eyes:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:04 PM
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14. "When you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all." King Ronnie
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:28 PM
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17. Damn! I had forgotten about that. Was there anything of grace & beauty he didn't attack? nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:58 PM
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20. Well, he didn't attack *me*.
:evilgrin:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:14 PM
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25. Just an oversight, I'm sure.
:pals:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:05 PM
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15. WTF is with these people? Do they think we have another earth waiting when we've stripped this one?
:nuke:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:10 PM
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16. What a sick fuck.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:31 PM
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18. It's not just ecology that he doesn't get -- it's also economics
Cutting taxes on the coal owners does not make them say, "Gee, we've got all this spare cash. Let's go out and hire 100 more workers."

If they can sell more coal, they'll hire more workers -- and make a profit by doing so -- with or without tax breaks. If they can't sell more coal, they won't. So either way, all the tax cut does is put more money in the owners' pockets. It doesn't create one damn job -- whereas sending it off to Washington to hire ditch diggers might.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:35 PM
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19. Plus the external costs are paid for by the damn gummint!
So it is all good in RandyWurld! His beloved Big Fat Gummint Chartered Corporations get all the profits, and the Gummint Be Damned pays all the long term costs! Fucking fabulous!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:25 PM
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21. He is doing everything in his power to lose the election. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:28 PM
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22. A Reagan Redwood moment: If you've seen one you've seen 'em all"
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:32 PM
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23. Sounds like we found the male Sarah Palin!
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:33 PM
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24. God damn him to hell.
I really have nothing more to say on that subject but that. :mad:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:50 AM
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26. wow...
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:51 AM
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27. and he is not at all a civil libertarian....just because he is a RW libertarian doesn't mean
he cares at all for civil liberties.
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