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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:43 AM
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Pentagon Manhunt - DoD Trying To Locate Wikileaks Founder
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 02:44 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/must-read/pentagon-manhunt

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June 12th, 2010 11:35 AM

Pentagon Manhunt

By Philip Shenon / Daily Beast

(This story has been updated to reflect new developments on Assange's whereabouts, including the cancelation of a scheduled appearance in Las Vegas.)

Pentagon investigators are trying to determine the whereabouts of the Australian-born founder of the secretive website Wikileaks for fear that he may be about to publish a huge cache of classified State Department cables that, if made public, could do serious damage to national security, government officials tell The Daily Beast.
The officials acknowledge that even if they found the website founder, Julian Assange, it is not clear what they could do to block publication of the cables on Wikileaks, which is nominally based on a server in Sweden and bills itself as a champion of whistleblowers.

American officials said Pentagon investigators are convinced that Assange is in possession of at least some classified State Department cables leaked by a 22-year-old Army intelligence specialist, Bradley Manning of Potomac, Maryland, who is now in custody in Kuwait.

And given the contents of the cables, the feds have good reason to be concerned.

As The Daily Beast reported June 8, Manning, while posted in Iraq, apparently had special access to cables prepared by diplomats and State Department officials throughout the Middle East, regarding the workings of Arab governments and their leaders, according to an American diplomat. The cables, which date back over several years, went out over interagency computer networks available to the Army and contained information related to American diplomatic and intelligence efforts in the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, the diplomat said.

American officials would not discuss the methods being used to find Assange, nor would they say if they had information to suggest where he is now. "We'd like to know where he is; we'd like his cooperation in this," one U.S. official said of Assange.

- snip -

Wikileaks has not replied directly to email messages from The Daily Beast. However, in cryptic messages he sent this week via Twitter, Wikileaks referred to an earlier Daily Beast article on the investigation of Manning and said that it “looks like we’re about to be attacked by everything the U.S. has.”

- snip -

This morning, a new Wikileaks tweet went out: "Any signs of unacceptable behavior by the Pentagon or its agents towards this press will be viewed dimly."

American officials were unwilling to say what would happen if Assange is tracked down, although they suggested they would have many more legal options available to them if he were still somewhere in the United States.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:16 AM
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1. Stay safe Assange n/t
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 03:16 AM by Catherina
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:28 AM
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2. I agree.
Democracies that fear their citizens are the democracies that function the best. I for one support those who would shine the light of truth on whatever actions are being committed in our name.



Q3JR4.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:52 AM
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11. There's a problem right there
Neither our government nor our Corporate Masters fear the masses. Why should they?
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:42 AM
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12. They should.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 05:42 AM by Q3JR4
We outnumber them. There are 350 million people in the U.S.A., take away a percentage for those in the military and police forces and imagine the number of people that are left.

I'd agree that most of us are too stupid to see what's in front of us, but if it ever came to it and we started to really see the man behind the curtain, I don't think they could stop us.

Q3JR4.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:26 PM
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21. +100 - don't get suicided!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:42 AM
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3. Well they couldn't catch Osama Bin Laden
but somehow I bet they catch this guy. Funny how that works out.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:19 AM
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5. Interesting that, isn't it?
Everyone just forgot about Osama Bin Laden. Even Fox forgot about him. I remember a comedian who had just turned 50 saying he wished someone would have sent OBL's name to AARP as he was convinced they could find anyone once they turned 50.

I hope they don't catch this guy. I don't see how the Pentagon has the right to go after a reporter especially since he isn't even a U.S. citizen.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:51 AM
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10. AARP generally doesn't bother with dead 50 year olds
Bad for business.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 01:28 AM
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37. Let us take this one step further.
Now that it is perfectly 'okay' to assassinate 'people of interest' I wonder if they will just snuff him out now and feel okay about it.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:47 AM
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8. You don't need to catch a guy on your payroll
Especially when he was doing your bidding all along. Wrap your mind around that one. (Osama, not Julian)

Assange is not stupid. He has diversified and seeded the information he has and the government knows it. Killing Assange will trigger exactly what they don't want. And not killing Assange will still trigger what they don't want.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:54 AM
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4. The Pentagon can conduct "manhunts" on US soil now?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:50 AM
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9. Ah, I see you haven't gotten the memo
Yes, they can. They actually have been doing it all along but they've gotten the executive order now. President Bush is an amazingly ballsy President and he's taking liberties with our liberties as well as wiping his ass with our Constitution.


(Just so I don't get 10 replies stating that I wrote President Bush instead of President Obama, just think about it for a minute. Let it marinate)
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:54 PM
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31. Gotta be pResident bush
Obama is a "constitutional scholar". This couldn't be happening on his watch.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:35 AM
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38. He definitely understands the Constitution better than Dumbya,
but he still seems to be using it as expensive toilet paper, just like his predecessor.
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:31 PM
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41. I'm beginning to think
that all of that studying was looking for loopholes. (apologies to Mort Sahl)
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
28. Don't you watch
NCIS? LOL
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:45 AM
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6. Hey, but when Hugo Chavez does it, he is a brutal dictator.
First Ammendment? Don't think so.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:45 AM
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7. I don't buy this
If the CIA is after him, he's already dead. They wouldn't advertise this way. Yeah, Assange is a big thorn in their side but this little bit reeks.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:09 AM
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13. They're trying to make the manhunt palatable...
...for human consumption.

They think they can define who Assange is and what he's got. Our government
is just the good guys, trying to prevent state secrets from being released. Which,
of course, would jeapordize national security and the safety of all US citizens.

They've got to define Assange as the evildoer, and themselves as the good
guys.

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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:13 AM
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14. What am I missing here?
We have an non-American individual who has ill-gotten classified State Department cables that, if made public, could do serious damage to national security and some don't want him caught? Why would you want to protect someone like this? I would seem to me that we should all want this guy caught, post haste. Is there something you guys know that I don't?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:02 PM
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15. Yes. You're government is lying to you.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 01:03 PM by Hissyspit
And committing illegal and unconstitutional acts, and classifying things that don't need to be classified.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:41 PM
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25. agreed AND
as far as I know wikileaks isn't in the business of simply publishing classified info for the sake of it. They do it for a purpose.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:05 PM
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16. Dod trying to cover it's ass from more embarrassment.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:09 PM
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17. you go, Assange!
Godspeed and stay safe!
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:13 PM
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18. If he's on US soil, that's called Posse Comitatus.
Should be the FBI doing the hunting, but then they'd have to swear out for a warrant.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 12:20 AM
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34. K&R
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JeffersonChick Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:16 PM
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19. Have a question...
I believe that there should be transparency in nearly everything, with the exception of information that could hurt our national security; for example, something like, information regarding the identies and whereabouts of intelligence officers, etc.

How do we know for sure that this is isn't actually sensitive information that can affect national security? Do we know what's in these docs?
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:12 PM
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22. I am with you before jumping to conclusions.
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papadog Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:46 PM
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26. DOD classifies anything embarassing
There was nothing of national intelligence value on the video of the helicopter pilot blowing up children in the van which cam to help the Reuters journalist whch the pilot had just killed(for no reason). They only classified it to keep from being embarassed. Killing inocent people should be prosecuted but since it our military we cover it up. God Bless America??? Doubtful when we act like this.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 03:23 PM
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20. Everyone see the old classic movie Spartacus? We could start a "I'm Julian Assange" thread!
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 03:23 PM by Better Believe It
With hundreds posting, "no I'm Julian" etc.,

What do DU'ers think of this idea.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 01:01 AM
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36. I think it's a good idea & you should start your own thread with that
notion. Maybe sometime when more people will be awake & see it.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:21 PM
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23. Why are so many here willing to turn this guy into a folk hero? Based on what, really?
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 06:21 PM by Love Bug
Let's wait and see, shall we, to find out what is really going on before we go off half-cocked and just assume this guy is another Daniel Ellsburg. Believe me, I don't trust our government any more than some of you but I also don't assume everything they say is automatically a lie.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:27 PM
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24. And what do "they" say? And who are "they"?
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papadog Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 06:54 PM
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27. We know who they are.
They are the ones who tell us not to look behind the curtain and just believe us be cause we said so. that's who "THEY" are. This guy wants to wait and see what they say? Please! It's so predictable what "THEY" are going to say his remark is actually insulting.
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Dirigo Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:10 PM
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29. Have They Looked For Wikipants In GITMO?
Have they looked for Wikipants in Gitmo yet?
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 08:34 PM
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32. Actually, wouldn't he be closer to being a Neil Sheehan?
Sheehan was a reporter at the New York Times to whom Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers, just as Julian Assange is the person reporting the leaked information.

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:37 PM
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30. k&r! nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 12:12 AM
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33. You know, I'm glad the Administration has their priorities in order
Edited on Mon Jun-14-10 12:34 AM by Hydra
Manhunt(and kill) the people shining a light on their operations...but don't bring down companies like BP and Haliburton.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 12:24 AM
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35. Refuse to prosecute the global crime-spree we continue today, but persecute those
exposing it. Yup, sounds very "democratic" to me.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:41 PM
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39. I hope he releases them soon. We need that data.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 07:28 PM
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40. kick--this must be why Lieberman wants an emergency internet censorship law
they don't want people finding out what we are really up to in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else for that matter.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:38 PM
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42. kick
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:13 AM
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43. I haven't been following the leaks events, but on my first pass on reading
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 09:25 AM by peacetalksforall
Hissyspit's blog - I'm wondering if data that involves other (repeat - other) leaders and their countries is fair game. It's a first thought. I know I can't judge before the release, if it comes. We shouldn't place any personal stuff out there about other leaders. Intelligence gathering the way its been done by us from Hoover to the mafia to cia/dia/state dept to Atwater/Rove/Stone types is down and filthy personal stuff.

If possible, I would prefer that only our own take the hit if it involves personal stuff.

If it's at a level of military and economic and not personal, it could be different.

If it explains some of the massacres we have led and thefts of our country, its people, and our rights, then I can't protest.

If it involves the corporations even knowing they are multi-national at the level and the ways they are the governing us and all our governmental departments - it should be exposed.
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