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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:21 AM
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If a Cat 5 crosses over Florida after FL is surrounded with oil slicks/plumes....
.... and coats the entire state with a toxic brew of oil and dispersant chems, how much will Florida real estate values decline?

This scenario was put forth by a UofM meteorologist on a local Miami radio show last week. :( :(
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:25 AM
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1. Raining men is OK; raining oil is not.
If you look at historical records, hurricanes either take a right before the coast of Florida or go into the Gulf. In all cases weather patterns run up and down the East Coast. I fully expect to see lots of oily rain in Boston.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:34 AM
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3. Wrong. We've had several hurricanes cross over the state in the last decade.
150+ MPH winds coming ashore combined with the sea spray during a tidal storm surge would drive the toxic mist inland up to 200 miles according to the scientist I heard.

If one crossed the state East to West or West to East then Florida could get it from both sides. It would completely toxify S Florida agriculture.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:39 AM
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4. I stand corrected.
Any hurricane anywhere near the Gulf is going to be gigantic mess.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:38 AM
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8. Francis was one..such hurricane..did damage from the east coast to west coast! eom
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 10:53 AM by flyarm
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:26 AM
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2. at that point we'd have to pay somebody to take Florida off our hands
for the cleanup. The massive death, disease and destruction...the entire state would be a dead zone.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:28 AM
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5. Damn. I don't even want to think about such a scenario.
I wonder if this is a realistic scenario. I certainly hope not, but I'm not qualified to judge.

The thought of this is just horrifying.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:28 AM
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6. Will the dark oil cause the ocean to absorb more heat and create more hurricanes...
... or could a coating of oil prevent the water beneath it from evaporating?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:32 AM
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7. Are there any links to scientific articles that will confirm that oil will
mix in with water during condensation?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:52 AM
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9. It doesn't have to have anything to do with evaporation or condensation.
The ocean surface is churned to a froth and then picked up physically by the high winds and transported inland.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:12 AM
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12. Well, then.
A federally sponsored clean-up of the Gulf is in order. Here's the social program for Obama to support. And then stick BP with the final bill.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:02 PM
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13. Exactly. The frothy swill will be atomized by high winds.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 02:04 PM by Mika
With the scum blowing into shoreline foliage, as well as other structures, at 175 MPH it will be atomized into fine droplets that will be dispersed up to 200 miles in Cat 5 windforces. Florida is very flat, so the atomized mists will travel very far.

Top kill indeed.

:scared:
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:03 PM
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17. Oil will hava a calming effect on the froth.
Oil keeps waves from breaking. Mariners have often used oil to calm the seas.

The storm surge (the rise of water level) will be toxic though.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:11 PM
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19. It may have some caliming affect but it seems to be breaking here.




Crude oil from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill washes ashore in Orange Beach, Ala., Saturday, June 12, 2010. Large amounts of the oil battered the Alabama coast, leaving deposits of the slick mess some 4-6 inches thick on the beach in some parts. (AP Photo/Dave Martin) (Dave Martin - AP)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:57 AM
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10. Oh Noes!!! Sparking power lines will ignite the oil vapor and turn Fl into a giant fireball!
:eyes:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:02 AM
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11. Won't be so eysie when the first fire starts or maybe you live in Montana?
Care for an orange?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:07 PM
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15. No matter how real or not, the power will be shut off if this scenerio emerges.
Doubleplusgood, because blue fume emitting gas generator sales will soar. Buy Home Depot stock. :sarcasm:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:05 PM
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14. If it crossed over Miami it would blow oil off shore
If it crossed from about mid-state or north it would first blow oil off the coats and then back on the coast, but the stuff that blew back would be pretty well mixed with the seawater, I'd immagine. Remember, the storm has a counter-clockwise rotation, so the leading winds will be blowing to the west in the northern half of the storm.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 02:12 PM
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16. Hmm. Florida. That name sounds familiar!
Oh wait - that's the place we Yankees send our old people to die.

Yeah, warm and oily just won't work well!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:06 PM
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18. with all that oil directly south of florida...
it's probably going to slip on that oil and break its panhandle.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:11 AM
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20. Damn I'm a geek. I had formed an image of a REALLY long Ethernet cable by half-way through the OP.
That would be the mother of all Ethernet cables, but sadly, a Cat5 cable wouldn't function at anywhere NEAR that length.

I figured out what it was about by the end of the OP and was laughing at the initial imagery.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:19 AM
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21. Ethernet




... if you didn't know ... is an association of anesthesiologists.

Seriesly. I saw it on the internets. :eyes:


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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:30 AM
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22. LOL! I could see that being a real group, pun intended or not!
:rofl:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:38 AM
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23. lol. (n/t)
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:44 AM
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24. heres a dumb question.....could all the oil vapors in the air ignite?
if it's not healthy to breathe them without a respirator...are they strong enough to be ignited?
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