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Berry Cool

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:02 AM
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Keith Olbermann tweets on last night's speech

About 15 minutes ago, Keith Olbermann issued a series of tweets about Obama that I thought was very telling. I've woven them together in textual order here:

...this is easily the smartest political leader I have ever seen, as good a political public speaker as I've heard, + last October I was privileged along with 11 other newspeople to spend 2 hours with him as he showed extemporaneous mastery of every one of two dozen topics fired at him by us in random order. I left the room wondering if we had ever before actually elected a president who was one of the 1,000 smartest people in the country (or maybe 100, or 10) as we had now. I believe in him and in his presidency and he has frequently achieved success (in health care reform, particularly) by doing that for which I criticized him. I hope that is again the case now because the Gulf Speech was not up to his standards nor did it express his mastery of policy. And if you will stop watching because I said this, I'll be very sorry, but you will have been watching for the wrong reason. I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman.

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WeDidIt

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:04 AM
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1. He must have gotten a lot of emails

I know I sent him one.

And no, I'll no longer be watching Keith Olbermann. I had been tiring of his schtick for some time now and last night became the end for me.

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lamp_shade

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:09 AM
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4. He got one from me too. So did Chris. n/t

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babylonsister

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:09 AM
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6. I bet he did get a lot of e-mails, and I'll continue to watch him.

These tweets show a lot of class imo, whether you agree with his analysis of last night or not.

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goclark

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:41 AM
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24. Were the Tweets before of after the announcement

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:42 AM by goclark

by the WH of the $$# Billion from BP?

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AndyA

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:18 AM
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17. Your loss.

I guess you can watch Faux News instead. They have much higher standards for accuracy and honesty. :eyes:

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:51 AM
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26. And it sounds like Keith had the intgrity to hand you others your asses on a platter

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:51 AM by depakid

with a succinct good riddance.

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jgraz

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Wed Jun-16-10 01:30 PM
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52. I'm sure Keith is just inconsolable that he's lost you.

:eyes:

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xchrom

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:05 AM
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2. Recommend

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:06 AM
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3. Guilt.

:rofl:

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Berry Cool

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:15 AM
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14. You can't tell the difference between standing your ground and "guilt"?

Your loss.

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:19 AM
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18. Actually it's Keith's loss, since he still hasn't listened to the speech.

Last night he reacted to something in his head, not the speech.

Maybe guilt is the wrong word, how about simple CYA.

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Luminous Animal

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:09 AM
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5. Recced for this.

"And if you will stop watching because I said this, I'll be very sorry, but you will have been watching for the wrong reason. I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman."

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joeybee12

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:11 AM
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9. Yeah, God forbid he should be a lapdog...n/t

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:12 AM
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10. I watch KO because he usually listens and reacts constructively

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:13 AM by tridim

He didn't do that last night. He JUST reacted, as all the pundits did.

It was pathetic, and if I'm reading this tweet right, he's ashamed.

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iamthebandfanman

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:13 AM
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11. you're not. n/t

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:13 AM
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12. I'm not what?

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Berry Cool

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:15 AM
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13. You're reading the tweets wrong

and I suspect he will have more to say on this topic.

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lamp_shade

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:10 AM
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7. A little late Keith. Sorry about that.

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Berry Cool

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:18 AM
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16. Not late at all. He's just trying to flesh out why he reacted the way he did.

Obviously, though, that will never satisfy the "My president can do no wrong" crowd. Honestly, some of you are as bad as the Bush worshipers, and you don't even see it.

At least I can admit Olbermann can do wrong. He didn't do wrong last night, though. Not to me. Well, even if we'd disagreed, at least he'd have spoken his mind either way, and that's never wrong.

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:21 AM
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20. He reacted the way he did because he didn't listen to the speech

Quit trying to justify his reaction, it was completely hollow, unlike The President's speech.

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:53 AM
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27. Now there's one I hadn't heard yet

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 11:54 AM by depakid

He obviously "didn't listen."

:eyes:

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:57 AM
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28. Please post KO's reactions to these major bullet points from the speech

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8570518&mesg_id=8570518

Good luck.

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:15 PM
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31. Pursue a conspiracy theory if it helps to quell the disssonance.

as I mentioned, it is unique among the reactions I've heard thus far....

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:18 PM
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34. I expected more than crickets from you.

Can you react to the bullet points youself? Or are you ignoring them too?

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:27 PM
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41. As I mentioned- whatever floats your boat.

The consensus is that President missed another golden opportunity- something which has unfortunately come to be expected.

I do wish Michael Bromwich luck (or should I say Godspeed) as he'll need to have some heads on platters and rules in before the commission's report(s) come out- or get leaked.

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:32 PM
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43. The consensus of people who are completely WRONG.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x342196

I expect criticism from the punditry, not fucking fingers in their ears.

The media must address reality, or risk becoming Faux Newz. It's their choice.

They fucked up bad last night, and I think KO knows it.

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:49 PM
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47. Again, whatever it takes to quell the dissonance

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 12:49 PM by depakid

and to any rational and objective listener or reader, Keith's comments reflected the exact opposite of what one would expect to hear from Fox "news."

See, e.g. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006160007

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 01:27 PM
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51. Then next time he should react to the actual speech

and not whatever it is that's churning around in his own head.

MSNBC is at RISK of becoming just like Faux, but they're not quite there yet.

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dgibby

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:16 PM
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33. You don't know that.

The press always gets a copy of the speech ahead of air time. And even if he didn't have an advanced copy, you don't know that he didn't listen.

If you do know for a fact he didn't listen, by all means,please provide a link to back up your assertion.

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:23 PM
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39. Keith can start by addressing the actual content of the speech

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 12:23 PM by tridim

Any content. Just one bullet-point.

He hasn't yet.

Then he can admit he was completely and embarrassingly wrong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x342196

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Berry Cool

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Thu Jun-17-10 02:32 AM
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63. He listened.

I don't need to justify his reaction. He did a fine job of that himself.

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Fuzz

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:10 AM
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8. And that's why he has my respect and is not a Hannity or Limbaugh.

"I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman."

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dorkulon

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:17 AM
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15. KO's analysis was and is correct. The speech was weak. It's not his job to pretend it wasn't.

If you think it should be, you are part of the problem. I for one wouldn't want to watch the program of a mindless booster.

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AndyA

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:20 AM
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19. I think Olbermann says what he feels.

I felt like Obama left a lot out of that speech last night as well, but then I realized my expectations were based a lot on what the M$M told me to expect.

Since I know the M$M is self serving, and can't be trusted, I just chalked it up to trusting Obama for the time being, although I do feel the situation in the Gulf is much, much worse than what we've been told, and I do feel BP is wielding too much power down there.

Obama is a good speaker, and his speeches are normally quite good. Removing the expectations for the speech last night, I'm OK with it for the most part.

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Jennicut

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:31 AM
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21. A mastery of policy is not what the aim was last night though.

It was not about us or the media but about regular people.

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Windy

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:35 AM
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22. the president's job last night was to speak to 90% of american who do not watch cable 24/7

To speak to those who don't really know what the hell is going on in the gulf unlike the people who read, watch tv obsessively and are up on the issues.

Keith, Chris, et al were trying to create controversy for ratings but as a result of their lack of insight and narrowmindedness, they will loose viewers. They have lost me. I'll stick to newspapers and not opinion "journalism".

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YvonneCa

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:24 PM
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59. I agree about your 90% point, but...

...not that his reaction was about ratings. I liked the Pittsburgh speech better...it was more geared to those of us who obsess on policy. :7

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chill_wind

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:37 AM
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23. "I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman."

And that's why I like him.

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uponit7771

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Wed Jun-16-10 11:48 AM
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25. I would think Obama would appreciate Olbermans objectiveness on the subject

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Kalyke

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:01 PM
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29. It's downright amuzing to watch so many DUers say they refuse

to watch KO (complete with stamping feet, no less!) because he said the president's speech wasn't great.

Big, effing deal. I don't want KO to myna bird the administration like conservative "news" casters do when their people are in power (Beck, Rush, the entirety of Faux News).

This is a downright hilarious "fight" to watch. :rofl:

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tridim

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:15 PM
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32. Those that actually listened to the speech aren't back-pedaling

It's kind of pointless to fight with pundits who are already defeated.

KO is the only one who has admitted it, so I give him props for that.

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bluethruandthru

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:21 PM
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38. +1000

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YvonneCa

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:25 PM
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60. Weird, isn't it? n/t

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Phx_Dem

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:10 PM
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30. OH. MY. GOD. Blowhard is taking credit for Obama's successes?

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 12:12 PM by Phx_Dem

Egomaniacal blowhard is more like it.

"I believe in him and in his presidency and he has frequently achieved success (in health care reform, particularly) by doing that for which I criticized him."

You mean like how you DEMANDED that he write his own health care bill ram it through Congress by twisting arms and threatening people ala Clinton? Cuz that's not how it got it passed, Keith.

You mean like how he took over all the banks to stopm the economic crisis? Nope, didn't do that either.

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:19 PM
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35. Looks like Keith has touched such a nerve with some

and they'd like to send him toward the bus.

Trouble is- the bus has shrunk so small that ain't no one going under it anymore.

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Phx_Dem

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:20 PM
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36. Yeah, I guess that explains Keith's backpedding and trying to justify

his bullshit on Twitter.

:*

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:30 PM
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42. No backpeddling there at all- to the contrary

I see buyer's remorse (pretty common out there these days) a touch of hope and a steadfast statement:

....you will have been watching for the wrong reason. I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman.

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Phx_Dem

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:41 PM
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45. Wrong. He accuses Obama of being Bush, and compares him to

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 12:43 PM by Phx_Dem

Carter (which is meant as an insult), and today he's claiming credit for all of Obama's achievements. Is he going to claim credit for Bush's "achivements" too? And if Obama has so many achivements (thanks to Olbermann!), how is he like Bush or Carter?

I'd definitely call that "self-justification" and a bit of backpeddling.

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depakid

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:46 PM
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46. It's an accurate comparison

Obama DID seem like Carter (who was pretty smart guy himself- with a lot more science aptitude than the current commander in Chief). You probably don't remember Carter- so that would fall on deaf ears, so to speak.

Where you get "claiming credit for Obama's achievements" such as they are, is quite beyond me. Lots of astute and seasoned observers said many of the same things.

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Phx_Dem

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Wed Jun-16-10 01:20 PM
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50. Claiming credit . . .

"he has frequently achieved success (in health care reform, particularly) by doing that for which I criticized him."

Thank God Obama followed Keith's advice or he probably won't be president, and he definitely wouldn't have passed health care!
:rofl:

No one is a bigger pompous ass than Keith Olbermann

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Spheric

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:07 PM
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55. You are misreading that (over and over again).

How is it claiming credit to state that Obama achieved success by acting in a way that Keith criticized at the time? He is specifically saying that Obama didn't follow his advice and was successful anyway. This is the opposite of taking credit.

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treestar

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:11 PM
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57. He seems to think he is SO important

These entertainers use political issues for their fodder and then start thinking they actually matter.

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asdjrocky

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:34 PM
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44. What about the back peddling by our President?

Do you ever call Obama on that? And I seen no back peddling here, none at all.

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Phx_Dem

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:20 PM
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37. delete dupe post

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 12:30 PM by Phx_Dem

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bullwinkle428

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:25 PM
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40. K&R, but of course, this will STILL not be good enough for several

here at DU! :eyes:

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h9socialist

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:50 PM
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48. I intend to keep watching you Keith!

Frankly, I don't care about what one thought of last night's speech. It was a speech -- that's it -- words. Judge them as you will -- the larger issue is whether or not the people and the environment in that area can recover. If Olbermann wants to be the Simon Cowell of Presidential speeches, well, I've seen worse in the ranks of aspiring critics.

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WCGreen

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Wed Jun-16-10 12:50 PM
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49. I don't watch KO for his political proclivities...

I watch him, when I do, because of his take on issues. And the fact he makes me laugh.

But I have to tell you that I do watch Rachel Maddow more often because she is smart, not hung up on any shtick and she also looks at stuff from a geeky perspective that is refreshing and new...

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YvonneCa

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:26 PM
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61. Same here. n/t

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mzmolly

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Wed Jun-16-10 01:54 PM
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53. I'm glad liberals disagree. I'm glad people like Keith Olbermann express

their discontent with the President from time to time. We're not cult members. "They" are.

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Lugnut

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Wed Jun-16-10 02:43 PM
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54. K&R for KO. n/t

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Spheric

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:08 PM
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56. K&R for KO /nt

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ProgressiveVictory

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:14 PM
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58. Does anyone know where i can five video KO last night, i was at my girlfriends and did not see

anything!

I feel soo out of the loop!

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NNN0LHI

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Wed Jun-16-10 04:32 PM
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62. He realizes the problem is with stupid people and not President Obama

Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:32 PM by NNN0LHI

I came to this conclusion a long time ago. All stupid people I know hate someone who is smarter than they are.

That is how Bush managed to have a 90+ percent approval rating. All the stupids just loved that idiot.

And you know damn well they are the same ones doing the hating on President Obama.

Don

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pleah

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Thu Jun-17-10 09:46 AM
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64. K&R Good for you Keith! n/t

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