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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:02 PM
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John Dean on with Hartmann: Prez is too nice, too naive
This just happened, so it won't be on the reply until 5:45 or so, but you should tune in:

http://216.59.35.38/tunein.php/omr1580/playlist.qtl

Synopsis:

A golden opportunity was missed to place the blame for this on Gingrinch, Gramm, Reagan - where it belongs. O believes that DC is post-partisan, when in fact the Repukes are as vicious as they have ever been. In order for real change to take place, a Dem prez is going to have to prosecute the crimes of his predecessor at some point.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:05 PM
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1. If he had used the speech to blame Gingrinch, Gramm, Reagan
the MSM punditocracy/Georgetown Cocktail Party would have exploded with tripe and endless whines about buck passing and blame shifting.

And BTW, there was a swipe at the Bush Administration's Minerals Management Service corruption, even though Bush was not mentioned by name.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:20 PM
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13. Let them explode. This country HAS TO CHANGE OR IT WILL DIE
Do you understand that?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:34 PM
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20. No I don't.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:24 PM
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15. That was part of Thom's and Dean's point - he SHOULD name names
since many of those people are still making policy.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:05 PM
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2. The repukes see any attempt at "bipartisanship" as a sign of weakness...and laugh their asses off
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 02:07 PM by BrklynLiberal
every single time President Obama mentions the word.

They then continue on with their obstructionist activities as if nothing of any importance has happened.
They NEVER pay a price for their attitude.

and sadly, President Obama is playing the Charlie Brown role to their Lucy.

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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:10 PM
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4. That's true...and what we have to realize (I think most here do) is that
we have a corporate Right-Leaning Media....I don't know if Obama "realizes" that, "believes" it or what...I like Obama...but I'm amazed sometimes, at the extent to which he doesn't seem to "get it"
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:13 PM
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right-leaning media?
where I live we have 10 right-wing outlets for each moderate one. That's not a lean.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:13 PM
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8. LOL. True..That is a total capitulation.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:06 PM
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25. Are you talking about radio stations?...I'm well aware of the discrepancy
in talk radio...but I'm talking mainly about televised mainstream media...Cnn, ABC, CBS, etc.

Whatever the answer, trust me -- I'm not giving anyone a pass...I think the right wing radio, television environment sucks terribly...That's why I do NOT believe in "boycotting" MSNBC over one disagreement.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:07 PM
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3. I was listening. He did not say the prez was naive. nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:11 PM
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5. He said the prez believes we have moved to post-partisan country, which is false
that sounds naive to me.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:13 PM
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6. "that sounds naive to me" -- perhaps you should correct your title nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:26 PM
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16. He also didn't specifically didn't say "too nice". SHould I correct that too?
:eyes:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:28 PM
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18. Yes, you should -- but only if you support telling the truth. nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:49 PM
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23. To my knowledge, only LBN threads must have exact quotes in the subject
the upshot of the segment was that Hartmann & Dean agree that Obama is too nice, and unaware or unwilling to accept that the repukes want to destroy him, and us along with him. My subject line is accurate, but enjoy your nit picking.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:30 PM
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28. Of course you are NEVER responsible for your distortions.
I've never seen you take responsibility for your distortions. I never see them do so at Fix either.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:13 PM
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7. The OPer specializes in slagging Hartmann.
Refuses to ever supply audio or transcripts. Search on the username and you will see.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:15 PM
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9. The OP specializes in listening to Hartmann
There are no audio clips.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:18 PM
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11. You refuse to post audio clips or transcripts.
Your reply was in error. Please, try truth for a change.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:23 PM
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14. The broadcast ended 15 minutes ago
transcripts are not available. I listen on the internet, there are no audio clips. What part of that are you unable to comprehend? Please try listening, for a change, instead of bashing the messenger.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:32 PM
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19. Your history of blatant distortion precedes you. You take out of context and distort.
When challenged you dodge, evade and claim, as above, that you are incapable of providing supporting evidence of your claims. Your crusade against Hartmann is very RW in it's approach and commitment to distortion. You are not a messenger but rather more like a propagandizer. Shame on you.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:58 PM
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24. As the only DUer who EVER posts links to Thom's links,
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:58 PM by Doctor_J
I will thank you for your distortion that I only post negative things. It is no secret that I think Thom gives too much air time to wing nuts. OTOH, here are my 6 most recent threads about Thom's show. Since I am the only DUer who ever starts one, not much need to search others'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8462683

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8421701

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8377482

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8368288

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8360653

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8189805

So, are you ignorant, or a liar?

:shrug:

Ne'er mind. You're off to my ignore list.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:29 PM
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27. Your history preceeds you.
Your claims as the "only one to..." are just more BS to cover your agenda. I will not put you on ignore as I would rather track those who regularly attack progressives wwith half-truths and out-of-context allegations. You could just go ahead and get a job with Newsbusters, since you seem to be doing the same work that they do.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:17 PM
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10. By the way, Hartmann's listeners NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY gave the speech
a :thumbsdown:, for lack of ambition, and appeasement of BP and the repukes.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:18 PM
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12. I am one, and I agree.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:27 PM
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17. Thom also said he doesn't support a challenge to Obama in 2012. nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:50 PM
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21. I agree on both counts
A challenge would be a disaster for both sides.

Part of the reason I want Prez to start kicking ass is that I think it would PUT OFF challenges. Him showing some forceful leadership (and partisanship) would be a win POLITICALLY AND FOR THE US.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:52 PM
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22. I missed John Dean. Darn. n/t
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:54 PM
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26. As long as Obama, Rahm, et al. continue to NOT clearly and forcefully place the appropriate blame
where it clearly belongs, they are enablers.

They are enablers to a political party and a philosophy that should have been abandoned by our country.

However, the Repub party and far right economic and social philosophies were allowed to gain steam in this country. The ONLY way
this could have happened was with an acquiescent "Democratic" Party. It never should have been possible.
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