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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:09 AM
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More dead babies in Iraq
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More dead babies in Iraq
by Mary Shaw | May 10 2007

More than four years ago, George W. Bush invaded Iraq, telling us that he was going to liberate the Iraqi people.

Would someone please give the president a dictionary?

According to an article yesterday in the British newspaper The Independent, there has been a huge rise in the mortality among young children in Iraq, "leaving statistics that were once the envy of the Arab world now comparable with those of sub-Saharan Africa."

The article goes on to say that a study by the Save the Children charity found that "in 1990 Iraq's mortality rate for under-fives was 50 per 1,000 live births. In 2005 it was 125. While many other countries have higher rates - Angola, Somalia and the Democratic Republic of Congo, for instance, all have rates above 200 - the increase in Iraq is higher than elsewhere."

Of course the earlier sanctions didn't help. But then Bush blew up the country's infrastructure; hospitals are hurting; doctors are leaving Iraq in droves; and, of course, so many Iraqi children are simply hapless casualties of the war that Bush started for no good reason.

That doesn't sound like liberation to me.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:19 AM
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1. The horrors of this war are almost too much to deal with....
If there's a such thing as a collective national karma, we're f**ked. :cry:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:20 AM
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3. Hello. Enjoying your morning at DU?
It's fun to hang out with the reality-based, deep-thinking community, isn't it?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:23 AM
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:27 AM
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12. Que? "Children are dying" isn't based in reality?
Maybe in Right Wing Fantasy World.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:46 AM
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24. infant mortality is not comparable to abortion statistics
There is a difference between a 3 year old child dying and a 6 week fetus.

surely even you can understand that?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:21 AM
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4. It's a red death rider stink'n up the boards. Peee U
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:22 AM
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5. Oh boy. This is gonna get good
:popcorn:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:26 AM
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11. Butter please
:D
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:22 AM
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6. The point is
Fake ‘right to life’ creeps are only concerned with babies who still reside in a woman’s womb. Once born, they couldn’t give a shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:25 AM
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:29 AM
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14. Define child.
Is a zygote a child? When the sperm and egg combine is that officially a life? And if the fertiilzed egg doesn't take in the woman's womb is that a "death" of a child?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:44 AM
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23. thay would not be dying
if george had not decided to destroy their country. Is that so hard to figure out?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:47 AM
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25. no its the definition of 'children', only a real idiot cannot see the difference between a 6 week
old fetus and a 4 year old child.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:52 AM
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27. Welcome to DU
Now please explain why your here and BTW Che' ceased to be a Lefty hero 30 years ago
Bye bye
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:23 AM
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7. So? What's your point?
Does masturbation count as murder as well? Since every sperm is a potential baby? What about women who aren't pregnant every 9 months? Because every month a woman ovulates "wastes" a potential baby?

And are child vaccinations good or bad?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:28 AM
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13. The point, moron, is that your hero kills BORN babies.
Edited on Thu May-10-07 08:30 AM by WinkyDink
You'll have to ask your sister about your statistic.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:29 AM
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15. I'll go slowly here for you
It's one thing to choose not bring a child into the world and end a pregnancy before the (for the biblically inclined), experiences "the breath of life". It's quite another for a wanted child to be brought into the world only to die due to horrific conditions perpetrated by us, a "Christian nation".

See the difference?

For bonus points, who can tell us what the bible says about abortion? Anyone? There is a penalty for bringing about the death of an unborn baby, as well as for causing the death of the mother. First one with correct answer wins an all expense paid trip to the Lounge.

Julie
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:33 AM
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16. Start your own abortion thread; this is about children in Iraq
dying because of our presence there. We are basically killing them. Isn't that good enough for you? Does that make you feel proud?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:41 AM
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19. No, I wasn't wondering, and I see, from your 'service', how compassionate
you are. :eyes: I get my righteous indignation from disgust and shame at my government. You should try it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:04 AM
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34. I am responsible for 'me', and I voted. What does that have to do
with kids dying in Iraq?
And while only 40% may have turned out in November, they seemed to have voted the right way, and seem to agree with most people on DU. Their vote speaks volumes about their disgust with the admin, doncha think?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:04 AM
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32. No haven't been to Iraq
however we do have friends there we talk to quite regularly, so tell us what you refer to the Iraqis as, be honest 'cause I have heard and ya know people tend to be more honest when your not pointing a gun at them
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:18 AM
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40. So is that an implication that I am
lying or that I do not know what I am talking about or both?
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:25 AM
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45. Why were you proud to invade a country that never attacked or threatened us?
Against international law and with ZERO evidence of WMD, and against the wishes of the vast majority of the Iraqi people, 30 thousand CIVILIANS of whom we slaughtered in the opening salvos of "shock and awe"...

You choose strange things to be proud of...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:28 AM
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47. because once you have done something you need a way to justify it
otherwise leads to cognitive dissonance.

it why rapist justify their rapes saying the women deserved it.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:26 AM
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46. interacting with a few iraqi children doesnt make you any more aware
than if you read the news. thats a stupid argument.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:42 AM
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21. hmmmm, fetus vs a living breathing suffering child?
I pick the child here on earth. Although fundie freaks only recognize the fetus. Fuck em when they are born.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:42 AM
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22. LOL
Welcome - if you aren't already gone. :hi:
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:21 AM
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43. What do abortions have to do with babies?
Embryos and fetuses are not babies, pal.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:25 AM
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9. Time to send Bush and Blair to
the Hague!! EfuggingNOUGH!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:41 AM
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20. If you consider this war a fight to "free a country" ......
Edited on Thu May-10-07 08:42 AM by marmar
then it's quite clear why you don't get it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:51 AM
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26. "a fight to free a country"?? You're speaking of the U.S., right?
You're referring to the loss of habeas corpus and personal privacy under this fascist regime, right?

Yes. Of course you are. :eyes:

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:52 AM
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28. Love the avatar, ktoph
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:02 AM
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30. Seems the baby killer apologist has flown the coop; typical. nt
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:10 AM
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37. The only thing Iraq has been freed from
is oil revenues, as far as your noble fight I have it on good word from a Kurd that things were better under Sadam.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:19 AM
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41. Yes a Kurd said that
Edited on Thu May-10-07 09:20 AM by azurnoir
you never answered the question about what the Iraqis are referred to as.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:35 AM
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48. Dammit, I missed the troll...
Edited on Thu May-10-07 09:36 AM by Solon
That's not fun. x(

Anyways, onto the OP, of course we are liberating them, liberating them from their mortal coils. :sarcasm:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 09:36 AM
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49. To Bush, death is liberation
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