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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:11 PM
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What exactly is going on in Canada? Karl Rove invited by far right xhristian fundy
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 11:15 PM by snagglepuss
group to lecture about electoral politics and how Canadian xhristian fundies ought to organize themselves. Charles McVety who invited Rove to Toronto is closely connected to Hagee in the US. "In a bestselling book, The Armageddon Factor: The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada, journalist Marci McDonald described McVety as being steeped in an apocalyptic world view, centred on the belief that the messiah will return to Earth to save Christians as the rest of the world perishes in a final, terrible battle. She also noted that McVety is very close to controversial Texas evangelist John Hagee, one of the foremost proponents of this dispensationalist thinking."

I've just listened to him McVety garbage about Oxfam and how his followers should protest against the organization receiving money from the govt. Earlier this evening I listened to Canadian journalist Marci MacDonald, mentioned above, discuss her new book about the rise of the xhristian right in Canada. She says Canada is at the point the US was back in the 80s when Falwell was being pooh poohed.

What concerns me is that over the last couple years there has been a noticeable push to the right in Canada. I've had the sense that American neocons have set their sights on Canada and are doing everything in their power to assist Harper in gaining a majority come the next election. That Rove will be speaking in Canada to fundies is simply one more thing confirming my suspicions.

I agree with MacDonald that things are afoot in Canada and its not good. Right wing forces IMO are stealthily aligning to undermine Canadian institutions such as universal health care. It is no coincidence that a former Harper aide is planning to launch a Canadian Fox style news channel in 2011 because he doesn't think Canadians have access to right wing viewpoints.


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The conference will also hear from Grant Jeffrey, an evangelical author whose books include "Armageddon," "Final Warning" and "Countdown to the Apocalypse."








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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:16 PM
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1. I am quite concerned, too.
There has been a lingering opportunity for Mr. kt in Toronto. However, if the Christo-fascist zombie brigade is headed north, we might as well stay put. At least we know what to expect in a system we already know. To be in a new country with the nutters taking over could be a nightmare.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:18 AM
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4. It feels like those scenes in Star Wars or Lord of the Rings of dark forces
gathering. US healthcare industry has sucked the marrow out of Americans so now have their eyes on the untapped riches of Canadian medicare. What irritates me that some highly placed tone deaf progressives are simply giving the zombie brigade ammunition, for instance, the Liberal govt Ontario was going to rubber stamp changes to sex ed which included teaching gender issues like transexuality in the 4th grade. I'm sure many think this might be peachy but only the totally dim would not forsee that such a radical move would simply give red meat to the right. At the last moment the govt backed off claiming it didn't know the details when it approved the change but since then the zombie brigade has been flogging this issue to death.

Public sector unions have also been tone deaf and have alienated many people over the last several years, for instance last summer TO was piled high with garbage during a strike and the union cut the very pro-union mayor no slack whatsoever. The mayor seeing no end in sight had to give into exhoribant demands and as a result the mayor got trashed in the media and has decided not to seek re-election, so now it appears Toronto is going to elect someone on the extreme right who wants to break public sector unions and privatize services. If that happens the unions have brought it on themselves. The unions seem not to have anticipated how deeply the last garbage strike riled voters.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:19 PM
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2. Neocons are doing their best to take all of North American down to their level. I do hope
god comes soon and takes the fundies with him and gives the rest of us a break.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:19 PM
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3. There's definitely a RW push with a fundie odor to it
But remember, the Conservatives are still very much the minority and Harper is still holding on by his fingernails in a minority government.

But as far as I can see, there is NO shift to hard-right views in the general Canadian political outlook.

If anything, people are getting tired of the media manipulations and fake "law-and-order" policy pushes by the Conservatives.

I for one can't WAIT to get a chance to go in the voting booth again.

Harper is a joke - and I'm not laughing.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:20 AM
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5. If I see one more "Jesus saves" bumper sticker I'm going to start screaming
I'm in Niagara Falls right now and they've got them on some of the tour busses.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:48 AM
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6. Sadly I don't think most people are clued in to media manipulations. If anything
is going to cast a pall on Harpy its the one billion dollars spent on the summit. But I lost some of my optimism when I heard about the ad the Liberals put out in response to this spending fiasco. I haven't seen it so I don't know if it ever got aired but if it has been aired the Lberals have really screwed up a plum opportunity to decimate Harper. The ad stated something to the effect that Canadians spend their weekends at cottages on real lakes. Well as soon as it was released the Tory's sent out a press release that stated that few Canadians can afford cottages unlike Ignatiff who has a summer home in France. The Tory's are damn right that few Canadians these days can afford cottages. What a bleeding studpid ad. what a waste of a brilliant opportunity to blast Harper's arrogence and stupidity. Do Liberal not have any idea how much cottages now cost? Many in Toronto have never been to a cottage let alone go there on weekends, the closest they come to country are day trips to Wasaga Beach.

As I mentioned below I think progressives are handing ammunition to the RW - specifically the proposed sex-ed changes in Ontario that McGinty belatedly quashed and the belligerent public sector unions in Toronto that imposed last year's garbage strike on Torontonians.


If there is another election, the best I'm hoping is another minority govt :(.
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