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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:31 PM
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Right-winger guy I met just touted "one benefit of the Holocaust"
This guy is a fundie Christian who said prayer works better than medicine to cure disease.

I asked if God intervenes to cure then why wouldn't he intervene to stop the Holocaust, which is process theology basically.

His response was stunning...He said "Take the Shoah (Holocaust) for example. All Jews are angered at this singular event, yet how many lives have ... See Morebeen saved by the well documented medical "procedures" performed by the Nazis? Medical science gains aside, a wise Rabbi once stated that everything that God does has a purpose, and everything that he doesn't do has an equal purpose."

Stupid stupid stupid.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:33 PM
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1. stupid doesn't begin to describe this person
evil comes to mind

how can anyone defend anything the Nazis did
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:34 PM
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2. I guess this guy's stupidity will serve a purpose as well...
I'm really sick of Fundy bullshit. They are giving God and REAL Christians a very bad name.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:39 PM
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4. Ever so true. The more I hear from these Fundy bullshit people the less
respect I have for religion, and I used to be neutral.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:36 PM
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3. The man's statement is no different
from those from the crowd at the crucifixion of Jesus-- if you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.
To take a fatalistic view of God is to deprive human beings of responsibility for what they do.
The only Christians I know who do this are the Reconstructionists, Dominionists and Fundamentalists.
The victim of the onslaught of fundamentalism is always humanism.
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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:41 PM
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5. this is why I like eastern philosophy...their gods are only
Personalized to give people a greater understanding of the physical word where Christianity puts down the physical in favor of some unseen Heaven.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:43 PM
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6. Comparing the Shoah to the NIH . . . .
There was no intelligible manner to talk to this person.
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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:56 PM
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8. yes I'm interested to know what medical breakthroughs he's
Referring to...Everything I've read says the Nazis used junk science.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:26 PM
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18. I also thought that science refused to use data collected in Nazi
experiments in protest of the way they got them. That was years ago. Do they use it now?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:45 PM
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7. same fundies who burned people at the stake
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:00 PM
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12. In the 21st century one would think their time had passed, but yet they remain. It's
often a sad commentary on the progress of mankind. Hopefully they are more and more the minority.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:39 PM
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19. it would appear that this group may be 40%?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:46 PM
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20. That would certainly explain why this is one deranged country... n/t
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:58 PM
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9. FUCK!!! One of the "well-documented" procedures was forcing people to drink sea water...
...to determine the effects on the body?

FUCK!

He's too stupid for words


FUCK!@!!!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:59 PM
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10. If you gutted him like a fish right on the spot..
That would serve God's purpose also, so he would have no room to complain.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:00 PM
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11. Must be a John Hagee fan?
Hagee actually said (no, I'm not making this up) that God sent Hitler to go after the Jews, in order to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel 37, which talks about a "valley of dry bones" (i.e. mass graves) leading to the restoration of Israel, which in turn was necessary to begin the countdown to the Rapture/Tribulation/Return of JC/End of the World thing.
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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:02 PM
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14. some nutty Orthodox Jews believe that too...
It's atrocious.
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:01 PM
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13. I'm sick of the right wing
They are so narrow and self-centered.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:51 PM
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21. IMO it's an illness. Not only are they narrow and self-centered, but so
backward. In my book RW is synonymous with ignorance, and sadly many educated and intelligent people are often among the most ignorant walking the planet when RW.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:25 PM
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15. Sick. There were no medical gains from the Nazi so-called experiments. N/T
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:38 PM
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16. I'll bet this idiot believes that Dr. Josef Mengele was a saint!
:wtf: :crazy:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 03:20 PM
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17. I would ask him which are those procedures which saved lives? Many of...
the experiments were to find the most efficient methods of killing. Others were to find the extremes at which death occurred. Yet others seemed to be simply for the amusement of the torturers.

There has always been someone arguing for using the vast amount of data collected during those years, but most researchers agree that it is "fruit of the poisoned tree" and should be avoided. Many, if not all, legitmate researchers who have looked at it consider it bad science with hardly anything useful.

At the very least, it would all be obsolete by now.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:53 PM
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22. All fundies have circular arguments for things they don't understand or want to think about.
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