I have now come to the conclusion that Gen. McChrystal should be dismissed

Public badmouthing of the civilian leadership is not acceptable when you are a commanding senior officer in the military. This was the main reason for Harry Truman's dismissal of Douglas MacArthur. Bill Clinton allowed himself to be pushed around by the military brass, which made them respect him even less.

McChrystal has already been warned about this type of behavior before. It is time to relieve him of command.

He needs to lose all pay and benefits. No retirement pension.

Otherwise, he'll be a contributor for Fox News and slam every military decision made until Obama is out of office.

But to become a Fox News contributor and slam the president at every turn. He has to make a living. I agree he should be removed from service, but to take away everything he has worked for (and rightfully earned) his entire adult life......well....that's just mean. That punishment does not fit the crime.

or was it third? to try and not undermine his Commander in Chief

he's BEGGING for it.

I think he should be fired immediately. I just don't think that he should be stripped of his pension and other benefits due to him.

Post #1 that i was originally replying to doesn't want this guy to become a Fox New Contributor. I agree, but if you take away his ability to support himself he's gotta get a job somewhere....

I don't.

His behavior is despicable and he should be held accountable for his actions.

His punishment could include loss of all benefits, dishonorable discharge, and up to one year in the brig. He should be Courts Martialed, along with the aides who participated in this.

I just think that locking the guy up for a year because he was critical of his President is just a little banana republic for my taste. Absolutely fire him and even his aides if necessary.

I don't know what, if any military experience you may have, and I certainly respect your opinion, but this is a very serious violation of the UCMJ by a very high profile, very senior officer in charge of a war zone command.

It is much more than just being critical of the Pres. It is insubordination of a high and aggravated manner by a very senior officer against the CIC of the US during war time, and borders on sedition. It is also not the first time McChrystal has been guilty of doing this.

If he is allowed to get by with only a slap on the hand, it would send a clear message to the troops that this behavior is tolerated, something, that in this day and age of "Oath Keepers" cannot go unpunished.

Failure to punish McChrystal swiftly, severely and publicly would only reinforce the idea that there are "wimps in the WH".

My only exposure was through friends and family who have served.

I agree with you that he should be punished "swiftly, severely, and publicly". I guess our lack of agreement is coming down to a matter of degree. I think publicly firing and humiliating the guy is severe enough. Locking him up is a bit extreme.

But if an Article 32 hearing is convened he WILL face court martial and he WILL be dismissed.

And because you have little in the way of military knowledge, dismissal of an officer is the same thing as a dishonorable discharge for an enlisted man. It automatically means loss of all retirement pensions.

Furthermore, he would face no means of obtaining employment because dismissal of an officer from the service disgraces him. No military contractor would hire him as he is disgraced. Fox News would NEVER hire the guy as a commentator in a million years because of dismissal. To demonstrate, Oliver North was not dismissed from the MArine Corps. HAd he been, nobody would hire him for what he does now.

So for having the audacity to be critical of his CIC, you would make the guy homeless and penniless and unable to obtain employment. No that punishment does not fit his crime. He should be fired, immediately and publicly.

He deserves it. He committed one of the most grievous crimes ANY high ranking officer can commit and he should be punished fully for it.

An Air Force General pulled the same shit with Clinton and faced the same punishment.

He CANNOT be allowed to get away with this crime or else it makes the civilian controlling authority over the military weak and opens up insubordination at all levels of the military because the message is, it is acceptable if you DO NOT punish the crime.

over $100,000 for quite some time. His house is most likely paid off and he most likely has money put away, enough for the rest of his life. I don't weep for him. Instead, I weep for the Iraqis he had tortured.

WRONG, that is precisely the punishment for the crime McChrystal committed under the UCMJ.

And make no mistake about it, McChrystal has committed a crime.

In addition to dismissal, the punishment can include one year in a military prison for that crime.

That the UCMJ allows for punishment to that degree for what he has done. However, I doubt that it requires it.

I think the President locking people up for having the audacity to be critical of him, even if it is a military leader, is a bit extreme. It would be on par with something I would expect to see out of a third world dictatorship, not out of our government.

Would you be so supportive of locking him up if this were 3 years ago and he was being critical of George W? I doubt it.

regardless of who the president is.

It's why I supported Watada facing prison time, too. Watada committed a crime and only got off on a technicality because the prosecutors fucked it up horribly.

I think it's "JUST".... I'm sure someone of his caliber will survive.

You can see how that Fox News thing is working out for Para-Sailin, can't you? What a team. Let them shine together like two bulb on old Toby's ass, as far as I'm concerned.

He can't do that, so he needs to go.

Disagreements should be spoken behind closed doors in private, and if he still cannot oblige, then he can resign.

Better late than never. I wonder who the new war-hawk will be to replace him.

for what? This whole thing sickens me.

The Rolling Stone article is equivalent to a tombstone request.

It couldn't be clearer.

The question is why now?

And, is he going to refuse to resign, forcing Obama to fire him?

Maybe he wants Rush's gig. Didn't Oliver North become a radio host?

:rofl:

That's what I was thinking. I don't think Obama's response will be as simple as "OK (nt)"