I don't want the WH to fire McCrystal

I want them to pressure him into resigning. I want to see a statement from McCrystal to the effect that due to his unfortunate and inflammatory comments he can no longer effectively lead.

Yes, I'm taking politics into account.

who will be his replacement.

I also want all of his jerkoff minions in his clique demoted and relocated too.

Why should he be allowed to soil Obama by forcing Obama to fire him? Resign, ass hole. Now.

because this is the second time he has done this sort of thing, he did it in London not too long ago and
now this, showing gross disrespect to the CiC is not a sign of a disciplined General.

This is not the first time either.

So all this patronizing sale is just that, patronizing.

If the president has to fire him it will just give the right wingers a chance to go after the president, and with the mess they are in already with the BP apology they would love to find something to take the heat off of them, and put it on president Obama. I think him resigning would be better than being fired.

the people voted in 2008 and wanted Democrats to run the country, if they wanted Republicans they should have
voted overwhelmingly for McCain/Palin ticket but did not- my point is why bother ourselves with what the Republicans
think when so far what they have showed us is a party of non participation.

Why should democrats continue to make decisions based on what republicans think, this kind of thinking will get us no
where and will definitely make life much more difficult for those running for election on democratic ticket.

elections, at least the legislative branch. What I took away from the post was that firing over resignation would lead to GOP talking points. While those talking points may not sway many here on DU they are powerfull in ramping up GOP enthusiasm and resonate with the end all, be all of modern US politics - independents.

your premise is completely off, democrats should be afraid to rule because of GOP backlash? if anything the left will
be much more upset with Obama and thats who he should be worried about instead of worrying about a group that will never
vote for him.

sometimes. I believe they are more deferential to military leadership than us here on DU. Many Democratic House and Senate members cannot retain their seats without independent support. In the Presidential election they (along with enthusiasm and GOTV)are the only group that matters. The left is mainly marginalized in general elections. Since we are in an almost perpetual election cycle now, each congress has about a year to do anything major before having to moderate back to the middle to get reelected.

This is not how I want it to be, just as I see it.

without any action, how about making changes so we don't have to put up with the same
crap day in day out.

Obama need to energize his base and as statistics shows his base which includes independent
I might add, is much more larger than Republicans. So what should it be, staying moderate
or firing up the base....which is it?

What was the difference in percentage between independents and democrats voting for Obama?

IIRC, he won among them. There are some I's that always vote D and others that always vote R. There is a significant portion of I's that switch between the two main parties - far larger % than Ds or Rs that switch. In this and the next presidential election I fear I's will, if not break R, will not be out for Ds and the President as they were in 2006/8 when Bush was around to remind them why we needed change. Add in the disaffected left and you have significant R gains.

Why do I think I's will break R? Non stop criticism of the President by most media, the economy is not adding jobs fast enough, immigration, the response to the BP spill, and, maybe some push back from the military (what the OP was about). I guess we will see in a few months.

why wrap a big bow on talking points and hand it to the repukes? What you are not taking into account is the majority of independent voters are somewhere in the middle and can be persuaded to vote dem or repuke and many if not most of them hold the military in high regard.

what about the majority of 'I' voters who would like to see the Democrats grow a pair.

During the last election there where all sort of statistics about how real Americans
will not vote for Obama, the independents would not vote him and they even went as
far as saying elderly Americans would not vote for him, my point is this, if we
continue to listen to noise of the market we would never buy anything.

I'm sure you are quite aware of the Republicans being in power not too long ago,
I don't remember them asking permission from the Democrats when they where
screwing things up.

that the president is his commander in chief. Keep thinking as to how he would have reacted if his subordinates had done what he did. Sheer arrogance,
or stupidity?

Apparently, that is pretty much the course after such a blunder at that level. Obama can then elect or not to accept...

and deserves to be punished.

A resignation makes it look like Pres Obama is the problem and he can't deal with having him as CIC. Nor do I think he should be fired. Demoted a star and sent back to finish the job.

Isn't that how it's done?

You should hope McChrystal's dismissal comes from the White House, and not Petraeus. Right now he looks like a wimp who can't even command the respect of people who are legally obligated to show him some.

Buh-bye.........

I don't know whose idea that was, but they fucked up royally.