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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:37 PM
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Want to make a martyr and a 2012 pres candidate out of McChrystal? Fire him
He should be forced to publicly apologize and praise Obama in the most humiliating groveling fashion possible, in such a manner that it will be impossible for any wing nut to ever support his ass again.

Firing him will make him a hero to the lunatic fringe and enhance his status as a possible 2012 rival to the President. He'd be on Faux daily getting his ass puffed up by the crew of sycophants there.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:38 PM
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1. Yeah he should have to hug Obama on live teevee. n/t
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:38 PM
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3. And like it!! nt
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:38 PM
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2. Yep, just like our 33rd President, Douglas MacArthur.
Wait...
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:39 PM
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5. And President Oliver North.
Oh yeah...
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:39 PM
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4. If that happens, we just drag out his sorry ass position
in the Pat Tillman coverup scandal. He should have been handed his ass back then.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:39 PM
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6. Yes, let's let him have his shadow government and boss Obama around the next 2 years nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:39 PM
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7. He would only draw attention with the Palin crowd
I dont believe that would be much of a threat (except to Palin).
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:53 PM
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16. He would be a constant reminder that Obama got elected to stop wars and was losing wars instead.
That would hurt Obama with a lot more than the Palin crowd. Obama campaigned on winning in Afghanistan and getting troops out of Iraq, and he's done neither. Most Republicans will have trouble using that as an issue since they got us into the wars, but having McChrystal, who voted for Obama, on the campaign trail telling people that the reason we lost was because Obama blew it (whether it's true or not) turns the gun barrel back in our direction.

It really doesn't matter what he does to McChrystal. Fire him, reassign him, make him crawl through the snow... This will blow over. The real problem is Afghanistan. Rolling Stone and McChrystal just put it on the front burner for all the world to watch it boil. Now it's Obama's albatross.

And I read the RS article, front to back. It makes McChrystal look like a pretty decent guy, and everyone around Obama--except Hillary Clinton--look incompetent, disorganized, and clueless. True or not, that's how it reads. If Obama makes this about him versus the general right now, Obama loses the battle. By 2012 this won't matter, but it can create a momentum that sucks up a lot Obama's time and capital.

No idea what he should do. That's why he makes the big bucks, I guess. Just sit back and watch.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:41 PM
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8. We should be so lucky. He's a nut, and no one will nominate him.
Unless Palin-McChrystal run on the BATSHIT CRAZY PARTY ticket.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:43 PM
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9. Want to make a martyr and 1952 pres candidate out of McArthur? Fire him

Glad Truman didn't listen to idiot ideas like this OP.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:43 PM
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10. A bit of a stretch.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:43 PM
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11. You want to keep McChrystal?
Nope. Firing him will send a clear message to those military folks who don't like President Obama. They'll have to keep their mouths shut if they want to continue their careers. McChrystal hasn't a prayer of even getting close to a nomination. He's just too freaky.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:47 PM
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12. I don't think McChrystal will be fired in the near future.
He will get an ass chewing and then told to get back to work. President Obama is no fool. He knows that he does not have another general with the same capability to step in to do the job. General Petreaus will support Obama and tell McChrystal to keep his mouth shut in the future. I cannot say the same thing for some of the other officers that were involved. They will be replaced and probably reprimanded.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:48 PM
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13. One of our friends said it best
Now he can resign and walk into a job at Fox News.

But more importantly, it seems like he is finding people to blame in the event that Afghanistan goes bad.

Obama gave him what he wanted,yet things are not going according to plan and he would get blamed,so this way he can do the honorable thing,resign and then say it is his successor's fault it didn't work out.If it is successful then he could also say it was his plan.Meanwhile he has written a book and made a few millions. This is disgusting and transparent and sadly most people do not understand his motive.
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Still he should be sent packing- disrespect must not be tolerated
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:50 PM
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14. So? They have to run someone.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:52 PM
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15. Shhhh! Don't tell them!
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:55 PM
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17. He should be fired
An active General should not go after a sitting President. McChrystal's job is to do what the President says. If he has a problem retire and then he can go on the Fixed News circuit.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:56 PM
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18. He'll be the right's darling for a news cycle...nothing longer...
he has too many skeletons in his closet.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:57 PM
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19. No shit. Reassignment is the only way to go
Face it, the man is a bull in a china shop who manages to piss off nearly everybody he comes into contact with, but he does have expertise that the administration doesn't necessarily want to lose. They especially don't want him to be an enemy freelancer.

Pinning another star on him and giving him a desk job where he won't piss potential allies off is much better.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:16 PM
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24. to Sudan. n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:28 PM
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33. He can't get another star, he already has four.
The last General of the Army was Omar Bradley.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:02 PM
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20. He's starting to lose support...
amongst the teapartiers because he admits he voted for President Obama.

That makes him a traitor, or something, I guess.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:03 PM
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21. Put him in charge of the ROTC program at a small junior college.



Then his vanity will force him into retirement.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:05 PM
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22. fire and fuck him...he's a hero to no one....NO one
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:14 PM
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23. Fire McCrystal AND his "team America"
They all need to go.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:34 PM
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25. A General cannot be permitted to undermine a President so openly.
Do we have a civilian government or a military one???

I have heard many Generals who admire McCrystal the Warrior,
still say he has to go.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:38 PM
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26. Who the fuck cares what the other side thinks?
NOTHING is going to change their mind and make them support us, we need to quit worrying about how the Pukes will react.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:25 PM
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32. Probably the most sensible statement in this entire post.




Piss on those mouth-breathing assholes. They will always be
180° out from what any Dem says or does no matter what.
So we might as well do what we know is best.


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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:39 PM
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27. And if he "resigns" the far right will still embrace him as a possible presidential candidate.

So you might as well assert your position as commmander-in-chief of the armed forces and remove him from his position.

Perhaps he could be placed in charge of military operations in Luxembourg.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:48 PM
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28. McChrystal was overly emotional. And that is understandable
considering the pressure he is under.

The question is not whether he should be fired but whether he has enough confidence in the Obama administration to want to continue working with Obama.

Generals don't always get their way. That's part of the assignment. I'm sure that this is one situation that Obama will handle very well.

I will never forget the story of General MacArthur. If you don't know that story, please read it on the internet. Obama will handle McChrystal's situation much better than Truman handled MacArthur's.

A big issue here is whether McChrystal really thinks he can win whatever it is he wants to win in Afghanistan. Is his emotional outburst really frustration with the Obama administration or frustration at the fact that he cannot prevail in Afghanistan no matter what he does?

Men become great generals, great military leaders because they are stubborn and cannot accept defeat. Unfortunately, life sometimes brings defeat.

If McChrystal is defeated and not able to deal with it, then Obama needs to find a way to take the terrible sense of failure that McChrystal must be having from him -- without destroying McChrystal as a man. That will take superhuman tact and understanding.

But the whole country will be better off if McChrystal can reconcile himself with the reality he is in. And only Obama can help McChrystal do that.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:48 PM
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29. I would prefer him out of power.
He was openly disrespectful to the President. There must be ZERO tolerance for such actions.
Anyone who finds South Park to be 'humorous' is not someone who I would want in such a position.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:56 PM
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30. That's why he should be "court-martialed", then fired!
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:03 PM
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31. McChrystal is a Democrat who voted for Obama. He's not going to run as a Repug anyway.
Firing him may indeed make him a hero to the fringe, but not one who could get a nomination in any party but our own.
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