It is even more depressing when an intelligent Pres. delivers pure propaganda

At least when GW Bush delivered the same idiotic reasons for the war in Afghanistan one could write it all off to evil stupidity and greed. It is much more difficult to hear the same BS reasons for perpetual war coming from Obama. The fact is the war is being fought for money and the players that want it to continue have simply replaced the Communists threat with the purposely amorphous bogeyman of Al Queda. Obama appears powerless or unwilling to stop the war in what has to be a purely domestic political consideration.

He keeps referring to Al Qaeda which as far as I know is more or less universally acknowledged to not be an influence in Afghanistan anymore.

and I for one am very disappointed. Had I known it was going to be another 4++ years of war war war I would have never voted for Obama, NEVER.

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That's sick.:puke:

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You knew it had to happen.

I've ripped him a new one over DADT, among others).

... Obama or a Republican. Not voting at all.

When it doesn't make any difference who you vote for, it's hard to come up with a reason to vote.

I for one will not vote for Obama again. Period.

I didn't expect anything from Bush, other than constant annoyance, lies, and abuse.

I expect more from Obama and I thought he was better than all this.

With Congress now talking about raising taxes to offset the deficit, I would think putting an end to the wars would be an obvious strategy, as it would save a ton of money. Focusing on increasing jobs domestically would increase the tax base, generating more income to pay down the deficit.

It seems so simple to me, but what the heck do I know. I'm not the President. :shrug:

If it wasn't Afghanistan, it would be somewhere else. It will be somewhere else after Afghanistan. Unless it's not physically possible to do it.

thing that sunk the USSR.... bankruptcy!

Name one American president in 60 years who did not deliver the foreign policy of a hawk.

we give the military over 600 billion yearly.....that's a lot of dough

I try to keep up with the varying monied interests. Most certainly there is oil interest in Afghanistan. Your post indicates actual money though, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

OP meant "money" symbolically as assets. Of which, apparently, Afghanistan has in plenitude enough to make our masters have avaricious wet-dreams.



Try to keep up.

Yes, some people are literalists on the issue of war and money. I was wondering whether the OP is. Maybe you should put your dick down so you can keep up.

Post #20 does nothing more than question the meaning of your post, as does mine. Obviously you're not making any sense.



And, why are you interested in my penis and masturbatory practices? I don't see any connection between your concerns about onanism and the matter being discussed. If you're offering assistance in that endeavor, I'm afraid I must decline. Thanks for the offer, though...

The Military Industrial Complex needs feeding, that's what money. Since the end of the draft, something that should have been a good thing, gave us the private armies of Blackwater and KBR. These armies need to be feed, they need their money. So when someone talks about money, you must know, this is the money we speak of.

I don't think we fight wars just to feed the MIC. I think we do that quite well without any wars at all. There are plenty of oil operations all over the globe to protect, drugs, guns, etc. Even if there were none of that, they manage to suck out a huge chunk just to be "Number One". That'll feed the right wing forever.

I don't think we're in Afghanistan to feed the MIC. Oil pipelines, maybe.

And my bad for missing the pipelines, but it was my understanding China has actually beat us to the punch on that.

That might be more of a reason to stake out some territory in the region, if you see fossil fuels as key to our security.

and their Statement of Principles called for increasing the military budget to 3.5%-4% of GDP.

THAT money.

That was awkward.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will unrec on the following grounds:

Suggesting that President Obama has perpetrated a "con job" or "fraud," or similarly over-the-top assertions of bad faith.

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I agreed with much of the OP because President Obama used the excuse of fighting Al Qaeda when just a handful of them are even in Afghanistan. I'm willing to bet there are more Al Qaeda in the United States, so does that mean we should be unleashing our military on our own country. Sorry, but I'm tired of hearing that faulty Al Qaeda excuse as a reason for perpetuating the Afghanistan War. How much money, how much blood and how many years will we remain in a country where success is impossible?????

The OP didn't say either con job or fraud. He was rather holding the President's feet to the fire as any good citizen should do. I want President Obama to do what candidate-Obama said he was going to do. That is not asking too much. It's asking for him to do what he said he was going to do. BTW, I worked tirelessly for a year to get Obama elected and I was one of his delegates. I didn't work that hard only to see Bush's policies and wars perpetuated.

The OP basically said that Obama is BS'ing us, using purposely made up shit (bogeyman) and is doing it for the money.

(Your vote: +1)

No, no it wasn't +1 by any means.

...and McChrystal wanted the war to go one for another ten years? In other words, your argument of perpetual war is incorrect.

Something Obama said recently?

of that old saw: "When the people lead, the leaders will follow."

And THAT reminds me of Obama's challenge to us: "Make me do it."

The problem seems to be that not enough of us agree on what it is we really want him to do to buckle down and figure out the best way to light a fire under him. Maybe the warmongers have bigger torches, but there is one hell of a lot more of us than there are advisors and defense lobbiests, etc.

Whenever I see/hear people accusing Obama of being weak I just want to hold up a picture in front of them of average Americans at the mall at Christmas time competing for the last "cabbage patch doll".

Tell me what powers a citizen has to make a president do something.

(Not counting voting people in or out)

that we need to just walk away from things that are wrong. Stop participating to whatever degree is possible. I know that's not feasible for many people, but what would happen if hoardes of people didn't go to work or do any shopping for a month. Just one month. It would certainly get someone's attention, in both industry and government. And I don't think its illegal. Yet, anyway. But if only a few people did it ... who would even notice?

I'm also rather fond of the idea of setting up local currencies all over the place to help sustain communities, which would allow people to boycott at least some of the multinational businesses that don't deserve our support. That's a big subject, though, all by itself.

Not a year has gone by since the revolution when the United States military forces weren't involved somewhere in the world.

It's who we are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Maybe with this kind of record, 44-0, it's time to stop expecting more.

was the moral thing to do. What did people think he meant BACK THEN????

And no I am not defending him, just pointing a fact.

the Candidate promised to escalate this war. Anybody who voted for him under the illusion that he was going to stop it, did not read the platform.

For the record the war in Afghanistan was right up to Tora Bora, but that is a whole different story... and it SHOULD have ended at Tora Bora...

Like, :wtf: I can't believe my ears!

and let them really fuck this here Planet....they be doing a fine job till Obama camr into play

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Obama is doing fine...the naysayers have ulterior motives

are being provided when asked why we're still there; there's no clear cut goal; no definition of victory, etc.....just a disastrous quagmire

(although we can certainly make educated guesses)

:-)