CNN: Almost All 1989 Exxon Valdez Cleanup Crew Dead!!!!!

Watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-MCqvZXXJE&feature=player_embedded

Into the dungeon. :)

Exxon Valdez oil risks spur warning for gulf cleanup crews

By KEITH ROGERS

http://www.lvrj.com/news/exxon-valdez-oil-risks-spur-warning-for-gulf-cleanup-crews-93258964.html

They called it the "Valdez crud," but it was more than a cough and diarrhea.

"We thought it was a flu that was going around and every­body kept getting it," said Merle Savage, who was general foreman of the cleanup crews of the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska's Prince William Sound.

(More at link)

http://www.silenceinthesound.com/medicalissues.shtml

Dr. Riki Ott. a toxicologist, has written vooks on the Valdez diaster and posted information on oil toxicity on her wevsite here: http://www.rikiott.com/spillinfo.php



ound Truth & Corporate Myths -Riki's book in its entirety, as a 4 meg pdf. http://www.rikiott.com/pdf/Sound%20Truth.pdf

Communication to John Dingell requesting an oversight hearing (pdf document) (July, 2007) includes information on the long-term health effects suffered by cleanup workers http://www.rikiott.com/pdf/Exhibit_10_Dingell_02_2007.pdf

Information requested by Senator Hillary Clinton (pdf document) (November, 2001): includes info on worker safety, monitoring and clinical data, OSHA & government oversight, and proposed immediate action. http://www.rikiott.com/pdf/Clinton_2001.pdf

The effects of the Exxon Valdez oil spill (EVOS) on workers and wildlife (pdf document) in response to Sen. Waxman's committee hearings on U.S. energy industries http://www.rikiott.com/pdf/Waxman_2007.pdf

Unfinished Business: The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Legacy Congressional Briefing by Riki Ott, PhD
http://www.rikiott.com/pdf/congress_briefing.pdf

to do clean up. In fact, I damn near went up myself.

Very sad. :cry:

n/t

Shakes head - no one cares - the cleaners are just dispensable people - :sarcasm:

the phrase is: "No one is irreplaceable."

That is to say: All are disposable.

:(

but it pretty well sums it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0kK45lVyk

It's doesn't require rocket science to figure out what's killing them.

There is a mountain-load of data on corexit that is kept behind closed doors, and that stuff is being dumped into the gulf. Just think about that for a second.

and crude oil is some deadly shit.

I quote from the NALCO Material Safety Data Sheet for Corexit

PRIMARY ROUTES OF EXPOSURE :
Eye, Skin
HUMAN HEALTH HAZARDS - ACUTE :
EYE CONTACT :
May cause irritation with prolonged contact.
SKIN CONTACT :
May cause irritation with prolonged contact.
INGESTION :
Not a likely route of exposure. Can cause chemical pneumonia if aspirated into lungs following ingestion.
INHALATION :
Repeated or prolonged exposure may irritate the respiratory tract.
SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE :
Acute :
A review of available data does not identify any symptoms from exposure not previously mentioned.
Chronic :
Frequent or prolonged contact with product may defat and dry the skin, leading to discomfort and dermatitis.
AGGRAVATION OF EXISTING CONDITIONS :
Skin contact may aggravate an existing dermatitis condition.

http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf

In addition at that same website:

Our hazard evaluation has identified the following chemical substance(s) as hazardous. Consult Section 15 for the
nature of the hazard(s).
Hazardous Substance(s) CAS NO % (w/w)
Distillates, petroleum, hydrotreated light 64742-47-8 10.0 - 30.0
Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 1.0 - 5.0
Organic sulfonic acid salt Proprietary 10.0 - 30.0

That is NALCO's official warning sheet.

The respirators are "not necessary." And when reports of clean up crews getting sick come in, BP insists that it is "food poisoning."

Oil ain't good for us! On any level!

not friends...for example, here's how it worked out in my neck of the woods:

Hawk’s Nest Tunnel Disaster, WV: Worst Industrial Disaster in U.S. History

snip...

The problem with building the tunnel was that hundreds of men, possibly 764 or more (of a total 5,000 on the work force), died of an acute rapidly progressive form of silicosis during the breakneck construction. (3-4) Most of the deceased workers were African-American migrants who worked underground. “What worsened the health conditions inside the tunnel was the use of dry drill bits and inadequate ventilation systems in violation of standard practice. The practice of wetting drill bits controlled airborne dust to some degree, but wet drill bits also made for slower drilling, impeding the progress of the tunnel, and thereby cut into contractor profits. (5) Drilling began in March 1930 and was completed in December 1931, three months ahead of schedule. (6) The epidemic of silicosis that slew hundreds of men during the building of the Hawk’s Nest Tunnel qualifies as the worst industrial disaster in American history, says Cherniack. Read the sad story...

http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=622

Trust is a rapidly fleeting thing on the smart side of the tracks.

"MONSTANTO is at the crux of this deliberate evil. Carl Casales is not only the Director of NALCO (maker of Corexit) but the chief financial officer (CFO) of MONSANTO"


I think that Monsanto(Aspartame, GM crops, Rumsfeld connection) and Halliburton(needs no explanation) are part of the movement to kill us all. Seriously, I think they are trying to loot the nation and kill us all.



Some low poster alarmist came here yesterday and talked about moving her family out of the area as this is an emergency...everyone thought she was overreacting.....perhaps not........

if you can smell something....get the hell out....seriously....by any means necessary....

residents of the Gulf for evacuating. Did you see that video where it was raining oil? Hurricane season is upon us. I think it's the logical thing to do if it is financially feasible. So damned sad.

I fucking hate BP and the rest of the scum Corporations.

are much easier to manage.

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we have to do what we can to get this information to people!!!!

Sacrifice humans to save a dollar. F'n a-holes.

Those that doubt the level of complicity in blanketing the "bad" news, aren't paying attention.

Is that in a disaster like the Exxon Valdez or the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings or the Gulf of Mexico catastrophe, many people are motivated to go and "do what they can," help in any way to alleviate the suffering they see. I will not deny that for some there may be an exhibitionist streak showing, but thousands of people drop everything and go to the scene to offer their help from the best motives humanity has in it. And their reward is debilitating illness and death. The powers that administer these sites know damn good and well that sending in persons without adequate protection against the toxic environment is to hand those volunteers a death sentence. They let them go in anyway.

I can't imagine how many lives will be impact by the end of all of this...

:(

These people are working with poisons.

surreal and horrible :(

Thanks for the thread, cory.

:cry:

Shannyn Moore has a good piece up today about the long-term psychological impact:

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/dying-over-oil/




I've been told that Shannyn herself contracted asthma as a result of her cleanup efforts.

DON'T volunteer to help if there is ANY chance the Corporate Oligarchy is covering something up!

There, I said it. I'd like to wash my own mouth out with soap for saying such an awful thing.

But it's true. Things have degenerated so far in our Corporate Totalitarianism that volunteering to help in a disaster (at least one involving chemical pollutants) is at the very least a sentence for suffering and probably a death sentence.

What have we become, that the logical conclusion is something so awful, so immoral?

WHAT are we BECOMING? Because the process is not yet over. Not even close.

There will be some major cover-ups over this.

The government is not really 'talking to us' about the GoM situation as it stands.

According to this video, 11,000 workers were hired by Exxon in the clean up. Surely if 11,000 workers had died over 20 years, it would have triggered some journalism. And it would have been difficult to keep these deaths covered up. Family members, social workers, doctors would have gone to the media and clamored for this story to be pursued.

The clip doesn't identify the woman speaking. There is no way to judge her credibility.

Hell, under Bushler&Co. they did not even show coffins on TV.

The aftermath of the EXXON VALDEZ has been totally covered up -- even as to the amount of the spill which according to many experts was closer to 30 million gallons than the accepted 11 million.

Were you alive during the Vietnam War?

Are you claiming that we were getting in-depth coverage and the true story about Viet Nam on TV during the 60's?

Were you alive during the Vietnam War? Have you done any reading at all on the topic since then?

During the 60's, we worked hard at finding and reporting the stories about Viet Nam that the mass media was not covering. Were you taking the same attitude back then toward those efforts that you are taking today against all critics and dissenters? Where were you? Where did you stand? I cannot imagine that anyone who was engaged in the struggle against the war would think that the Viet Nam war was adequately or accurately covered on TV. It is not possible.

Convince me - to my satisfaction and I will be the judge of that - you were with us back then. That should be easy to do, and there would be no reason to refuse to do that. PM me if you want. Convince me.

I know you LOVE to hate MSM, but it's a fucking fact.

But if you don't want to believe me, go right on ahead.

What then was the big flap over the Pentagon Papers about?

Ironically, the news coverage of the Tet offensive - blamed ever since by the right wingers for causing or contributing to the defeat - was shocking to many in the public because it showed them that they had not been getting the truth about the war.

The position you are taking is the one that supporters of the war took back then, and revisionists have ever since.

Certainly the press in general did a much better job back then than they do today. That wouldn't take much.

Those Pentagon Papers?

Late in the game and thanks to a few courageous individuals, after a terrible number of people had died and been wounded, we learned that the whole thing was based on lies. Yes, that is what I mean.

Lurking behind these crossfire talking point wars here I suspect there are some profound political differences, and this type of debates disguises and obfuscates that. I say we need a stronger press, stronger than we had then and much stringer than we have now. I would not therefore take the position that "TV is covering it, and those complaining about the media are wrong." I take the position that we need to know more about what those in power are doing, so I would not jump all over people who also take that position over relatively minor and petty details.

I was dissatisfied with the level of critical coverage of the government's actions in Viet Nam back in the 60's, and that this contributed to the nightmare there. What say you? Was it just fine from your point of view? That is what matters - where we each stand on these issues, not who can "win" some empty-headed and superficial exchange of clever and snarky talking points.

The one that didn't get covered by the media. The one that was good at the time.

No idea what you are talking about, what your position on this is, nor what you hope to gain in this exchange with me.

Honestly, where have you been this past decade?

My mind's all a jumble, what with the literally hundreds of examples to choose from since the 1996 Telecommunications Act pretty much finished off the American Free Press that was the envy of the world. So much to choose from, where to start?

Example #1: post 9/11 air quality - The Bush EPA told everyone the NYC air was safe. Thousands of rescue workers rushed in patriotically to do their duty for the nation and it's people. Now many of them are experiencing lung troubles and many more have died. The funny thing is, not only was it a verifiable, demonstrable lie, but independant testing by universities and clean air organizations did in fact debunk the lie almost immediately. Oddly enough, the Corporate M$M did not "bust the cover up".

Example #2: Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction - 200 tons of anthrax, 500 liters of botulinum toxin, and nuclear materials; so non-present that Saddam even said he'd let the UN inspectors in - Bush refused and went to war. Hell, the Corporate M$M was so not interested and so ignored the various stories contrary to the Corporate Oligarchy's Desired False Narrative that I DARE you to find a single person who remembers that Saddam offered to let the inspectors back in before we invaded. Go ahead & try.

Here's one more recent: Example #3 - The phony ACORN video. Gosh, the Corporate M$M sure leapt forward to debunk that one, didn't they? The video was heavily edited, as anyone could see upon examination. Later, the young lady who played the "hooker" confessed at last year's CPAC that the whole thing was a setup. ACORN has since been exonerated by various law enforcement agencies of wrongdoing. Gosh, Corporate M$M sure fell all over themselves getting the truth out, didn't they?

I could go on and on and on like this. As I said, I have literally HUNDREDS to choose from, so bad for so long has our Corporatized Media been.

I tell you this only because you are harboring a dangerous delusion that simply no longer applies in this nation: That the truth will come out because a Free, Vigorous and Independant Press will ferret it out and make large-scale cover-ups impossible.

That is so completely and thoroughly untrue, it's laughable. Like saying the same thing in the middle of 1975 Communist Russia. Further, harboring such a false idea makes it impossible for you to track the rapidly increasing decline and fall of our nation, simply because you assume so many things cannot be because "the media would have uncovered the coverup".

Unfortunately, as long as you continue to labor under such an increasingly false and even laughable assumption, you will constantly be surprised by events.

You last line is correct regarding her credibility (though some Googling might help you verify it, if you wish), it's true, but the concept that "if it happened the Corporate M$M would let us know" is absurd and ludicrous in the EXTREME.

Might I suggest you update your conceptual thinking from the old days.

These are the new days, and American Media is far closer to 1970s era Soviet-media than I ever thought possible (but with hotter anchor-guys & gals).

So you're just trading blows and it is uselsess to argue that way... how about this, Greg Palast wrote an amazing book that covered the valdez situation very well, yet he never mentioned any of this.

Palast's book on Valdez quite confirms what I am saying. Is much of Palast's investigative journalism common knowledge because Corporate M$M help amplify his investigations and "bust the cover up"?

NO! So, if effect, you have just reconfirmed my assertion about Corporate M$M being unable to perform the function designated it by our Founding Fathers. (if not Constitutionally, then from their various writings - further the Media is the only profession specifically mentioned in the Constitution other than it's immediate subjects - legislators, judges, etc.)

Greg Palast is NOT, and cannot be in any way construed, as M$M, let alone Corporate M$M. This is demonstrable and pretty much undebatable.

You're angle which states that "we are just trading blows" is nor germane to the logic of DLProf's assertion and my refutation.

He asserted that large-scale conspiacies could not have happened with being uncovered by the press I mentioned 3 of the many dozens, if not hundreds of examples that deny that assertion and simply said it wasn't true.

My refutation, therefore, does not imply that it isn't impossible for the MSM to ever do it's job nor that it has never done so, but that a blanket assertion of "large-scale coverups are impossible because the M$M would uncover them" is mistaken and false.

Think about it.

and their health problems/deaths. Why would this be hard to believe?

word without any facts are hard to really comment on. There are chemicals in the oil that are very bad for people. But without real numbers and more important causes of death it's hard to take the blanket statement as fact. The likely thing to probably look for is leukemia would be my guess.

front by the national media? And if you do, I am very curious as to why you would believe that.

NOT!!!!!!

And supported by the general although common mistake that if somebody says it on CNN (or youtube) then it must be true.

Nevermind that the whole thing is completely, ridiculously untrue. I mean first of all, if it was true, it would be the greatest toxicological scandal in the entire history of science. Shit would make Bhopal look like an ice cream social by comparison. Secondly, despite what they may tell you over on unimpeachable sources like Sorcha Faal's blog, or timecube, or wherever you people are getting this stuff- they revealed the identity of that proprietary mystery ingredient that kills everybody it touches. Turns out it's detergent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corexit#Composition

Fucking detergent.

There is a pervasive assumption that those in power are to be granted the benefit of doubt, while everyday people are to be viewed with suspicion.

According the the government's own statistics, over 800,000 people have been rounded up and detained in the anti-immigrant hysteria, at gunpoint by paramilitary teams and in complete violation of the Constitution. That has gotten little if any media coverage.

Thousands of communities around the country are under assault by Haliburton, in a concerted effort that involves corrupting officials, strong-arming and lying to government agencies, buying journalists and favorable publicity, and misleading the public, for the purpose of intentionally injecting massive amounts of deadly chemicals at high pressure directly into the water table to release trapped gas for extraction. That has been going on for a while, with incalculable and irreversible damage having been already done in many areas, and there has been little if any media coverage.

11,000 over 20 years is nothing when it comes to the predations and cover ups by corporations and the denial and avoidance by the media and the general public. Nothing.

I would urge you to re-examine your assumptions here - it would have triggered some journalism...it would have been difficult to keep these deaths covered up...family members, social workers, doctors would have gone to the media and clamored for this story to be pursued..." Stubbornly hanging on to those illusions could be fatal. If not for you, for others.

You assume based on one assertion made by one identified person speaking in a cut-off clip from a network you claim is part of the cover up that all 11,000 people involved in the Exxon Valdez cleanup died.

I just require further statistical, eyewitness, and medical evidence before I accept her statement as true.

I also think using as evidence for your contention a clip from a network you believe to be complicit in a cover up to be a logical contradiction.

This is what I think. You have said what you think several times.

I'm satisfied now, and I await further data.

I haven't said a thing about the Exxon Valdez cleanup.

:kick:

Just horrible... You've got to wonder about all the good folks trying to clean up this mess, and those kind souls spending countless hours trying to get that muck off the innocent wildlife. What will be ramifications for them? God, it just never ends.
:cry: :cry:

K&R

If false, then I'm not surprised. If true, then the party's over.

Who can vet that?

But there's at least 1 site that backs it up:

http://themaritimeblog.com/322/exxon-valdez-marks-20-years

"8,000 — estimated number of original plaintiffs that have died since 1994".

That's 8,000 deaths out of 11,000 workers, but there doesn't seem to be any way to corroborate that number.

and I know HE is dead. Big Bob, big old burley biker. Died about three years ago... Had the hottest wife who had an even hotter sister.

to other states...I thought this would happen. I am sad this has happened....

but this air is going to travel all over the US
where do you go?

us from getting it's disgusting crud in our lungs. We already can smell it on certain days along the coast in FL, can you imagine what it must be like cleaning it UP??? My God, the humanity - literally. What shame BP has, and they will never get another penny from me, and shouldn't from any other consumer.

That's a valid question

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