Police tapes in Gore claim are online now -

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_release_tape_of_portlan.html

I have listened to a half hour or so and really don't know what to think. The accuser is a qualified massage therapist -- I recongnized much of what she was saying from my own experience. Yet what she describes does not sound like the actions of a woman with 12 years experience. After the first hint that the client was trying to take it to sexual place she should have IMMEDIATELY shut done the appointment. That is what I was taught to do -- in the four years I did massage I had it only happen once, and you bet I shut it down right then.

Was Gore expecting a true late-night hotel call massage -- the kind with a happy ending and was acting with that expectation? Could be.

Is what she is saying about Gore being a "sex crazed poodle" who sexually assaulted her true? Could be.

Is there a chance I will believe her? Probably not. Her decision to go the civil route and then her attempt to sell her story to the Enguirer for $1 million does not make me think highly of her.

If she is out to make a quick buck you can be assured she is lying. It's probably a case of she said, he said.

I bet she thinks people might believe a tale like that. Before, no way in hell.

whom he told me was a professional massagist/AVAILABLE. Like, oh, nevermind...

:eyes:

therapy means something else. A lot of places offer massage therapy and it does not mean they offer anything else.

Would you have to wait until you were intimately involved with someone to massage it out?

my bullshit detector is off the scale.

Just say "no thank you" and any reasonable person will respect your boundaries.

I've had plenty of massages and none of them were sexual. They are relaxing and therapeutic. Almost every athlete has massages and they aren't sexual. Touching is not sexual unless it involves genitals. But even then it might not be sexual because when gynecologists examine women it's not sexual.

But everyone has their own belief system and feelings and I respect yours.

Plenty of people get massages and it has nothing to do with "personal."
It's a legit business. They even have massage booths in airports, for crying out loud.

But, there is a high rate of out-call massages at big ls that are indeeed sexual. A hotel client will ask for a massage (wink wink) and will be provided with a working gal.

After listening to the whole thing, I think there is a distinct possibility Mr. Gore requested a massage (wink wink) but instead got a massage. His expectation was that it was going to be sexual and he acted towards her accordingly. By her own words the woman acted along with much of what was going on, including being playful with him and humoring him -- perhaps giving him the wrong impression. Again, from her own statement, she has an alcoholic past, a history of bad boyfriends, and may have been responding to him from this place.

I think Al couldn't figure out why his working girl was playing so coy with him and she viewed it as he was sexually assaulting her.

and she claims he was demanding, violent, and that she feared getting raped. It is getting more and more bizarre. She claims to have discussed Bill's & Hillary's relationship with him (!). She is sounding like she has some sort of ax to grind.

and how she kept trying to let him "save face" by humoring him, making small talk, and using humor.

I am sorry, but this is sounding odder and odder. A 50 year old professional woman unable to tell a client to piss off and get out of a hotel room on her own?

On edit; Wow. She just psychoanalysed him! :D Unbelieveable.

On edit: She has the "evidence" in a bank vault, including a Ghirardelli chocolate bar. She also admits she has talked to lawyers about her "evidence".

she claims she did NOT want to make money off of this, only get justice. Yes, because one gets justice from cash and not through prosecution. :eyes:

and he was already traveling incognito (which is perfectly understandable), then why would he take the chance with a "legitimate" masseuse? Was there some kind of miscommunication with the Concierge? That's a stretch, since most high-end hotels don't elevate an employee to the level of Concierge until they understand the concept of "wink, wink; nudge, nudge".

If Al was simply looking for a "happy ending" I can't help but think he could've gotten it without all this hassle.

I don't want to blame the victim, but this just doesn't pass the "smell test". If she were young and inexperienced, then maybe she could have misinterpreted his responses, moves, and motives. If Al was young and inexperienced, then maybe I could believe that he was looking for a "happy ending" and didn't know how to arrange it. OK, maybe he had always been faithful to Tipper and this was his first "foray" into unfaithfulness. It still just doesn't pass the "smell" test. Even if it were a "spur of the moment decision", the likelihood is that he would have immediately withdrawn in guilt rather than press ahead as a predator or "sex-crazed poodle".

And what kind of term is "sex-crazed poodle"? "Poodle" implies that he was easily manipulated. Her description implies a "sex-crazed Bulldog".

Maybe I'm missing some things here, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's just trying to cash in by making up a story that never happened. Then everything makes sense.

So many of the things she said in her statement make it clear she never put the hammer down on him. She admitted chatting with him, being humorous with him, being playful with him well after he had first allegedly been sexual with her. Seriously mixed messages could have kept Gore acting, perhaps thinking it was all part of the play.

I am not sure why a Concierge wouldn't have gotten such a client order correct.

But, honestly, as a former CMT, if I had gotten a call to go to a nice, downtown hotel for a late night massage my first thought would be it was to be a sexual one. :shrug: Which is why I never did any of them.

BTW, working gals who specialize in such high end hotel work often get some sort of massage certification to make themelves more legit, so Gore wouldn't have thought much of it if she had announced herself to be a massage therapist.

Now don't go ape on me, because I'm a lifelong Democrat and I voted for Gore - and for Obama. But I think he called a massage number off a phonebook ad, or called a service he had used before, and expected a sexual massage. And, I think the woman didn't know it was him, but when she got in there and saw it was him, she decided to pull a switch and to act like she would NEVER do that, etc. Her whole plan was, all along, to sue him and get a nest egg.

After all, why would she have scruples -- she is obviously a working girl.

I'm not going to conjecture about why Mr. Gore would go that route, except to say he didn't want a relationship, just some relief. Not that there's anything right about that.

Of course, we really don't have proof that it was him. It could have been someone else who looked like him or was impersonating him. Because the man she describes in her statement doesn't sound like the Al Gore I know. It sounds more like an impostor to me.

She already had a relationship with the hotel for guest massages. The hotel called her, not Gore. She said she didn't want to jeopardize the relationship with the hotel because it paid quite well.

I did get that part wrong. But I can't believe her story. I think the hotel let her know what kind of massage it was. I think she was cool with that.

and that she had been present in his room. Also, the massage was arranged by the the hotel he was staying at.

I think what happened was a "Roshomon" thing -- people sharing an experience but having totally different views of it. Perhaps Al thought she was being playful and coy while she felt assaulted. From her own statement, she never made any solid attempt to tell him to just knock it off and end the appointment. That was a HUGE mistake on her part and could have given Gore the wrong impression. Plus. she has personal issues that could have had her interpreting that happend through that filter -- his alleged "anger", "aggression", "demands" might be only those things through her filter. My sister had that - anytime my Mom even spoke slightly higher that her regualr voice, especially in anger, my sister heard her "Screaming" at her. When people have past damage, they often perceive things differeantly thanothers.

he wouldn't have asked for a massage. He would have gotten a high price call girl. I don't think any one would disagree on that. And the one thing that makes her untruthful is the song. If you listened to all the reports she makes a big deal about the song by Pink, Mr. President. Well the song wasn't released until six months AFTER THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAPPENED. Anybody that gave such a "detailed" report and even told about the song would never ever ever have gotten it wrong. She lied and I will never believe that Gore would try anything like that. Not the on and on and on sexual encounter she described. And I think if I was Gore I would try to make her and the lawyer take a lie detector test. I know they aren't allowed as evidence but they would show they are lying. then if she dared sued I would counter sue both of them. It wouldn't hurt his reputation any more than this horrendous BUNCH OF SHIT will do.

Just playing devils advocate here. :shrug:

The song was on the album released in April 2006. The encounter is alleged to have happened in October 2006.

If that's what his "needs" were, I'm sure he would have chosen THOSE.

But her timing and efforts to SELL her story make this claim pretty damn suspicious.

Jules: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... stop right there. Eatin' a bitch out, and givin' a bitch a foot massage ain't even the same fuckin' thing.
Vincent: It's not. It's the same ballpark.
Jules: Ain't no fuckin' ballpark neither. Now look, maybe your method of massage differs from mine, but, you know, touchin' his wife's feet, and stickin' your tongue in her Holiest of Holies, ain't the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport. Look, foot massages don't mean shit.
Vincent: Have you ever given a foot massage?
Jules: Don't be tellin' me about foot massages. I'm the foot fuckin' master.
Vincent: Given a lot of 'em?
Jules: Shit yeah. I got my technique down and everything, I don't be ticklin' or nothin'.
Vincent: Would you give a guy a foot massage?

Jules: Fuck you.
Vincent: You give them a lot?
Jules: Fuck you.
Vincent: You know, I'm getting kinda tired. I could use a foot massage myself.
Jules: Man, you best back off, I'm gittin' a little pissed here.

That is all.